GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #8

[LancelotLink]

Sonjay,
Could you transcribe what exactly the lawyer said about pills and toxicology report? All I could make out was word salad, tossed. Seems he is trying to say no problem, tox clear, but his words are anything but clear. Or is it just me?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

In light of the diagram, something has just occurred to me. It is universally agreed that EN didn't know BM, so given that and how that BM actually ran away from his own house, EN could have thought the car was there to go to 7921 Mt Shasta rather than to the Meyers and not made any connection between the Buick and the Meyers. Reading this it has always been assumed that EN was talking about running into the Meyers home, but with what we know about the diagram this could be EN seeing BM going to the vehicle by another house and thinking the person was going inside that house rather than the Meyers house, BBM:

"He says as they pull into the cul-de-sac, again he's sitting in the passenger seat of the vehicle, their vehicle kind of turns sideways is how he draws it, he sees the victim's vehicle at the end of the cul-de-sac with the driver door open and he sees someone running whom he describes as a male with a beard from maybe the passenger side of the car toward the house."

Given that EN didn't know BM, there would be no reason for EN to think BM lives at 7925 when he runs to 7921. It isn't clear how many people EN saw running, but based on the diagram and the testimony it would be a reason for EN to not associate this with the Meyers. This would explain why EN didn't know who was involved or associate it with the Meyers.

 

[al66pine]

You were the one who said she was an eyewitness, not me. Her credibility is what it is. The GJ had no problem with her testimony and I don't think the jury will either.
And what did she say in the interview that was a problem?

bbm

Even though the GJ had "no problem w her testimony,"
I wonder how seriously her stmts were questioned at the GJ proceeding?

Under cross exam - if this goes to trial - KM's descriptions will be subject to intense scrutiny.

Of course, true for anyone who testified before GJ.

 

[al66pine]

.... One thing I guess we do know is Tammy didn't have drugs in her system if I heard that correctly.

sbm bbm

From what M fam atty (Sam Schwartz?) told I-Team, http://www.8newsnow.com/category/28259/8-news-now-video?clipId=11437323&autostart=true April 28, I interp'ed differently:
- he wanted to give impression there was no drug habit and no drugs in system.

His stmt in my paraphrasing:
Point 1:
We looked thru her purse. ~45 day prior, she had gotten refill Rx for a pain med w 60 pills and
she had taken only one pill from those. So, no drug or pain pill prob.
Point 2:
We've not gotten toxicology reports showing drugs in system.

My interp of his stmts:
Pt 1:
Atty did not say "we" looked through-out her belongings, bathroom, nightstand, kitchen, all the house for drugs. Why not say, looked at all ^these? No, just looked in purse. What about other purses?
If she took only one legit Rx pill in 45 day period, why carry in purse? Purse by Buick or in drive?
Besides this one Rx bottle, she c/h/had 10-50-100 doses of street drugs. Or Rx from other dr.
Pt 2.
I may have misheard, but thought he said not gotten tox rpts showing drugs.
Different from saying got tox rpts and they showed no drugs.

Hair splitting? I think his stmts could be interp'ed differently than the way some ppl have.

N.B. Not saying TM had drug habit or problem, just analyzing atty stmt about TM & drug.

 

[SStarr33]

This is what Mr. Gorgeous attorney said:

We've not heard any toxicology reports either from her murder that reflect that there was anything in her system.

Let me know if you want me to go back and find anything else that he said--he is one of the best looking men I have seen in ages

 

[Snoods]

In his GJ testimony, BM was clear that when they turned FROM Buffalo onto the street whose name he can't remember is when they saw the grey car.

In this interview, he was clear that they made a turn (wrong turn) and saw the grey car.

It's very clear, to me, that he is referring to the turn from Buffalo onto Ducharme as the "wrong turn."

Of course we know that it wasn't a wrong turn, but really now..... This is their neighborhood, just a few blocks from their house, and right where TM was allegedly giving KM driving lessons just a few minutes earlier. TM did not make a "wrong turn" on her way home. That is just not believable.

Gah, sorry about that. I believe you're correct, I was mistaken when I said the wrong turn reference was driving past Cherry River. Listening to it again, it does appear that he is referencing the turn from Buffalo onto Ducharme. Although it is puzzling why the "wrong turn" reference has suddenly been inserted into their narrative. And as someone mentioned upthread, it's not even a wrong turn. It would be the correct way for them to go home from where they were.

But, BM still can't say they were heading home because they did pass up Cherry River in pursuit of the silver car.

And it also caught me by surprise when I heard RM say that KM saw her mother "go down." I don't know whether to chalk that up to more RM hyperbole or take it literally, but it certainly did catch me off guard. But RM has to be getting his information from his own family, so...

 

[sonjay]

Sonjay,
Could you transcribe what exactly the lawyer said about pills and toxicology report? All I could make out was word salad, tossed. Seems he is trying to say no problem, tox clear, but his words are anything but clear. Or is it just me?

As far as I can tell, here is what the lawyer says. That last sentence sounded like he said "and toxicology reports" but the word "and" doesn't make sense there. But it's what it sounds like to me.

We went through her purse she had a prescription for pain pills. Her last prescription filled was 60 pills, she had taken one of them in the 45 days since she had the prescription. There were 45 ... if it was 45 pills there were 44 pills in her pill container when we investigated that, so from what we can tell she had no drug or pain pill problem
"No illicit drugs of any kind or any involvement with that" - zero, none

We've got her and/any(?) toxicology reports either from her murder reflecting that there was anything in her system.
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Edited the above for more accuracy.

Pretty vague.

If she doesn't take more than one pill in 45 days, why would she carry around the full pill container in her purse? What was it a prescription for?

Do people ever have a legitimate pain pill prescription but get "refills" from some guy at the park?

What did the tox test screen for? What did it not screen for?

Where there other prescriptions inside the house?

Edited the quote for more accuracy.

 

[al66pine]

This is what Mr. Gorgeous attorney said:
We've not heard any toxicology reports either from her murder that reflect that there was anything in her system.
Let me know if you want me to go back and find anything else that he said--he is one of the best looking men I have seen in ages

After your post, I played again. Seems we are agreed on what he said, his words?
Atty did not say ~ we got tox rpts and they were negative for presence of drugs.

Imo, his phrasing leaves it open the issue of whether M fam has already received tox reports.
You may interp his stmt differently than I do.

 

[Snoods]

BBM: I agree, that is the wrong turn he said in the interview. IMO, there was no need for him to say that and not sure why he would, it didn't add any value to the situation. There was nothing in that interview that added any value. RM early on was complaining about how the media is getting things wrong and yet here he is again placing himself in the media... The media is going to edit as they choose so IMO it's best the Meyers stay quiet.

One thing I guess we do know is Tammy didn't have drugs in her system if I heard that correctly.

This thread had slowed down to a drip before they gave their new interviews. It's hard to keep stories straight when there are untruths being told, I really don't know why they thought this would be a good idea.

Did the tox report say no alcohol? Or does no drugs also mean no alcohol?
,

 

[sonjay]

After your post, I played again. Seems we are agreed on what he said, his words?
Atty did not say ~ we got tox rpts and they were negative for presence of drugs.

Imo, his phrasing leaves it open the issue of whether M fam has already received tox reports.
You may interp his stmt differently than I do.

You're right, the attorney's statement is open to different interpretations.

What is clear is that he wants to leave us with the impression that she had nothing in her system. I don't think he outright stated that as unequivocal fact, though.

 

[Snoods]

As far as I can tell, here is what the lawyer says. That last sentence sounded like he said "and toxicology reports" but the word "and" doesn't make sense there. But it's what it sounds like to me.

We went through her purse she had a prescription for pain pills. Her last prescription filled was 60 pills, she had taken one of them in the 45 days since she had the prescription. There were 45 ... if it was 45 pills there were 44 pills in her pill container when we investigated that, so from what we can tell she had no drug or pain pill problem
"No illicit drugs of any kind or any involvement with that" - zero, none

We've got her and/any(?) toxicology reports either from her murder reflecting that there was anything in her system.
​

Edited the above for more accuracy.

Pretty vague.

If she doesn't take more than one pill in 45 days, why would she carry around the full pill container in her purse? What was it a prescription for?

Do people ever have a legitimate pain pill prescription but get "refills" from some guy at the park?

What did the tox test screen for? What did it not screen for?

Where there other prescriptions inside the house?

Edited the quote for more accuracy.

BBM Sonjay, I have to admit I thought the same thing! Why even fill a scrip if you don't need them and won't be taking any? And why would you have them in your purse if you don't need them?

And to answer your question, yes, if a person is addicted they will get pills wherever they can. (I'm speaking as a recovering addict, and I'm not at all saying that TM was). From your regular doctor, from friends, online etc. And I never left home without them for fear of withdrawal.

 

[SStarr33]

The posts here remind me of the trashing of Travis Alexander.

 

[al66pine]

As far as I can tell, here is what the lawyer says. That last sentence sounded like he said "and toxicology reports" but the word "and" doesn't make sense there. But it's what it sounds like to me.

We went through her purse she had a prescription for pain pills. Her last prescription filled was 60 pills, she had taken one of them in the 45 days since she had the prescription. There were 45 ... if it was 45 pills there were 44 pills in her pill container when we investigated that, so from what we can tell she had no drug or pain pill problem
"No illicit drugs of any kind or any involvement with that" - zero, none

We've got her and/any(?) toxicology reports either from her murder reflecting that there was anything in her system.
​

Edited the above for more accuracy.
Pretty vague.
If she doesn't take more than one pill in 45 days, why would she carry around the full pill container in her purse? What was it a prescription for?
Do people ever have a legitimate pain pill prescription but get "refills" from some guy at the park?
What did the tox test screen for? What did it not screen for?
Where there other prescriptions inside the house?
Edited the quote for more accuracy.

bbm
Re my ^BBM, this is how I heard atty stmt.
"Zero, none. [short pause] And we've not heard any toxicology reports either from her murder reflecting that there was anything in her system."

Stmt re 'hearing' tox reports, rather than 'reading' tox results in autopsy rpt. Teensy detail.

Yeah, like I said re carrying around an Rx, by a person taking only 1 pill in 45-60 days. Hmmm.
Not like an epi-pen to carry at all times for allergic reaction. Or nitroglycerin tabs for heart.

Like you said, What Rx or OTCs did tox tests screen for?

 

[al66pine]

This thread had slowed down to a drip before they gave their new interviews. It's hard to keep stories straight when there are untruths being told, I really don't know why they thought this would be a good idea.
Did the tox report say no alcohol? Or does no drugs also mean no alcohol? ,

Good Q about alcohol screen. Do we know where b'day party was held - restaurant, bar, home?
Regardless, poss that ppl attending imbibed.

Interviews w Mr M & the 3 sons did not seem to reveal anything new. Ditto the dau.

Except - puzzling about pulling dau from her regular school, sending to AZ.

 

[PaperDoll]

This thread had slowed down to a drip before they gave their new interviews. It's hard to keep stories straight when there are untruths being told, I really don't know why they thought this would be a good idea.

Did the tox report say no alcohol? Or does no drugs also mean no alcohol?
,

I don't recall alcohol being said, just drugs. Yes, this thread did slow down because IMO there wasn't anything new to really discuss, we were all going in circles, or at least I was :crazy:

The problem with the interviews, nothing new was really said, just the same o'l same o'l. Plus these interviews were short, I'm sure they were edited so maybe some important info got cut out, hard to say...

 

[sonjay]

bbm
Re my ^BBM, this is how I heard atty stmt.
"Zero, none. [short pause] And we've not heard any toxicology reports either from her murder reflecting that there was anything in her system."

Stmt re 'hearing' tox reports, rather than 'reading' tox results in autopsy rpt. Teensy detail.

Yeah, like I said re carrying around an Rx, by a person taking only 1 pill in 45-60 days. Hmmm.
Not like an epi-pen to carry at all times for allergic reaction. Or nitroglycerin tabs for heart.

Like you said, What Rx or OTCs did tox tests screen for?

I listened to it again with the sound all the way up. I think you're right; it's "we've not heard any toxicology reports...."

I've not heard any toxicology reports from her murder either. Have tox reports been released to the family or the family's attorney? I hope they've been released to the defense by now; the defense is entitled to those reports.

People have said that EN was paranoid, but based on RM's description of how utterly terrified TM was, maybe she also had a touch of paranoia. Aren't there drugs that can contribute to or create that sort of fear?

 

[Midge Montana]

I really wish that the interviewer would have asked the M family why they told so many lies, changed the story over and over again. In My Opinion, if they hadn't lied, omitted HUGE parts of the story and changed the story repeatedly, people wouldn't have had such serious suspicion of the players involved or even started speculating that something was might fishy and being covered up. The fact that they inserted a mysterious black man into this, gave some suspicious sketch details, etc. etc. (could go on and on here...) is what made people start realizing they were covering SOMETHING up, thus the speculation of what that might be. Of course people are going to come up with all kinds of theories and try to make heads or tails out of what the husband continually spewed out. The speculation was brought on by the M family their own selves.
Yes, it is sad if the daughter had to leave school because of this fiasco. It is tragic that Tammy put her kids in this situation to begin with and that the whole lot of them continued to cast the players in such a shady light. The whole thing is horrific and I sure wish there were a time machine that could be re-wound to that night, different choices would have produced a different outcome. I wish those kids had their mom back. So very very sad.

 

[sonjay]

I saw that article and ran over here. I knew you all would be all over it!

My comment, which I also left on the channel 8 website:

Wait, WHAT? So TWO separate cars were after the Meyers that night? Both the one they got in the altercation with and the car Nowsch was in? And why would he shoot her if his wasn't the car that got in the initial confrontation?! That makes NO sense. They Meyers kids are lying to save their own butts. I'm not sure what they did or who they are protecting, but they look almost just as guilty in all this as Nowsch. TELL THE FREAKING TRUTH ALREADY!!

Yes, the story these days is that the events of that night were a series of unfortunate coincidences of epic proportions.

I personally don't believe the story of epically unfortunate coincidences, but at the moment, it's the "official" story of the prosecutors and has apparently been embraced by the Meyerses, as well.

 

[Snoods]

bbm
Re my ^BBM, this is how I heard atty stmt.
"Zero, none. [short pause] And we've not heard any toxicology reports either from her murder reflecting that there was anything in her system."

Stmt re 'hearing' tox reports, rather than 'reading' tox results in autopsy rpt. Teensy detail.

Yeah, like I said re carrying around an Rx, by a person taking only 1 pill in 45-60 days. Hmmm.
Not like an epi-pen to carry at all times for allergic reaction. Or nitroglycerin tabs for heart.

Like you said, What Rx or OTCs did tox tests screen for?

BBM I would always carry my "legal" scrip bottle with me and refill it with my contraband pills. Keeps ya from getting arrested for having illegal narcotic drugs. Trick of the trade. (I'm thankfully now more than 15 years clean). Again, not saying this is what TM did at all, just telling y'all what I did.

 

[Snoods]

I really wish that the interviewer would have asked the M family why they told so many lies, changed the story over and over again. In My Opinion, if they hadn't lied, omitted HUGE parts of the story and changed the story repeatedly, people wouldn't have had such serious suspicion of the players involved or even started speculating that something was might fishy and being covered up. The fact that they inserted a mysterious black man into this, gave some suspicious sketch details, etc. etc. (could go on and on here...) is what made people start realizing they were covering SOMETHING up, thus the speculation of what that might be. Of course people are going to come up with all kinds of theories and try to make heads or tails out of what the husband continually spewed out. The speculation was brought on by the M family their own selves.
Yes, it is sad if the daughter had to leave school because of this fiasco. It is tragic that Tammy put her kids in this situation to begin with and that the whole lot of them continued to cast the players in such a shady light. The whole thing is horrific and I sure wish there were a time machine that could be re-wound to that night, different choices would have produced a different outcome. I wish those kids had their mom back. So very very sad.

I wish the interviewer would have asked BM the reasoning behind his mother wanting to leave in order to "take the action away from the house" when there wasn't any action AT the house. They were safely home with no silver car in sight. Why go back out?

Not that I believe for a New York minute that TM actually said that to BM, but it seemed like such an obvious WTF moment during the interview. Although I'm sure the reporter was instructed in advance about what he was permitted to ask.