GUILTY NY - 30 injured in Manhattan bombing, 17 Sept 2016 *Ahmad Khan Rahimi arrested*

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Wasn't the family granted assylum status?
Clealrly, they felt safe traveling back and forth to Afghanistan. One or two brothers moved there.

When one seeks assylum do they keep citizenship/passport to country of origin?

All good questions, and I remember looking up a bunch of stuff regarding asylum, etc. after the Boston bomb case. But, we knew more about that family at the time I was researching.

In this case, the only thing I vaguely remember reading is the family was given political asylum, but I am not sure that is accurate, and I don't know when they originally came nor much of anything else.

But, with that said, here is our government page that might pertain to their original circumstance:

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/refugees

One little bit:

Traveling Abroad
If you have refugee status and want to travel outside the United States, you will need to obtain a Refugee Travel Document in order to return to the United States. If you do not obtain a Refugee Travel Document in advance of departure, you may be unable to re-enter the United States. If you return to the country from which you fled, you will have to explain how you were able to return safely. For more information on obtaining permission to travel abroad, see our How Do I Get a Refugee Travel Document?​

Hoping we learn more about their original circumstances.
 
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Asia Bibi Rahami (his wife) is cooperating with investigators. Authorities haven't revealed any details about what she's said.

She left the United States before Saturday's bombings in New York and New Jersey. She'd been scheduled to fly back to the United States this week. She's currently in the United Arab Emirates, where she's spoken with US officials

Rahami and his wife married in July 2011 in Pakistan while Rahami was spending several weeks in the region. That same year, Rahami filed a petition to bring his wife to the United States. The paperwork was approved in 2012. Rahami ran into problems with his wife's immigration paperwork in 2014 and contacted a US congressman for help. Once the passport was renewed, Rahami's wife learned she was pregnant, and US officials told her they wouldn't issue a visa until the baby was born. Then, officials said they'd have to get an immigrant visa for the baby, too. At the time, the consulate advised Rahami to travel to Karachi, Pakistan, but Rahami said it was too dangerous.

In a letter to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson on Tuesday, Sen. Ron Johnson asked for more information about Asia Bibi Rahami's immigration, travel and visa applications. 9/20/16 Letter

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/20/us/ahmad-khan-rahami-wife/

I just dont "feel" any of this travel is like lets flee before before our child starts setting off bombs! I sense this stuff with the FBI did not prevent this junk with dad- is actually a "cover" (only lack of better word) for domestic mess that is now becoming public knowledge.

Obviously a disturbed family system. But I have the sense that prior to this it was beleived that this is our junk, if that makes sense.

Travel plans made and executed (MOO) - I think what I am trying to say is mom dad wife-- activites are not like oh my god my son is gonna set off bombs across america , I am fleeing!

I know what he is gonna do and am leaving.

It strikes me as they noticed changes (like so many in this arena of mass shooters and terror) but it is not like running.

It is only in hindsight that they realize oh my I should have anticpated this. Lot like Austin the bath salts mess. A lot like Elliot Rodger family. A lot like Btman Holmes -mom knew change but did she expect that her kid would go kill Batman lovers no.

Did mom and dad Elliot know their kid had issues , tried to get help, but did they imagine he would go driving down a street shooting and running over people - dont think so.

DId those involved with Omar think he would go shoot a 100 people no- did they have concerns that he was spiriling out - yes mom started to try an dfound out where her mentally ill son was .

Did Colubines mom know what was up - nope.

IMO its all about hindsight , and then blaming- but if one rewinds in real time, very few of these people were not totally oblivious that there were issues and concerns, but did any of these people "think" their loved ones would become mass shooters or terrorists , I just dont think so .

Do I think Austins father ****^^ed up . Yes. So I think his f$uc up was like oh god if I dont do something my son is gonna go eats faces off of people he just killed. Nope.

I think timeline is vital.

But we are talking gruesome stuff.I just dont think that it is people "covering" for family members, I think it is more about just not really imagining that a loved one could do what ended up happening.

I can not imagine what all these member of "the cast" love through afterwards. It is so easy to blame and rage. If we look at most seperate from the event - they were doing the best they can.

In this moment reflecting on it - Lanza mom is the most confusing. Mental is genetic - dont know but ................

Would I think "cast" around San bern was not as shoked as some other events. Yes

Would I think Omars "cast" would not think something horrible would happen no - its degree no.

Do I think Elliots parents were concerned of something , yes, what it turned out to be no.

Do I think Batmans mom was concerned , yes, do I think she could imagine or fear what transpired nope.

Then there are the ones where family is pretty disengaged, it only "afterwards" where oh sh%t- but even in that context , sounds awful, but they dont feel as bad, cuse they wre so disenaged from the start, so its like they did not think about any of it in any way, if that makes sense.

At the endof the day, its all about how connected the players are, its about resources to possilby intervene, or try to, or care to. Or cluelessness ness! indifference, not being connected at all to the other person.

All the above being mentioned, I have , dreamed about what it would be like if one my sisters did something like this, what I would be experiancing, and at the end of the dream it is just a horrible feeling.

Each of us, if it happened to us , shall end up as victims oursleves,. UNless any of us were procurring dynamite for a family member , personally- we all our victims, like from the other side of the mess.

Complicated indeed. ,

I think Austin wa confusing, for me. I grew up in that educated affluent world. Trust me it has its drawbacks! there was just anger at dad sister wife, what the heck was going on for you all. As time went by , checking account and degree , vocation does not really matter no does it?

There human , they made mistakes, we all have. Its all so complicated huh??
 
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that right is what - supposedly -- makes us differnt than Hitler - pls do not be saying that he is not owed the system


that IMO is more scary than what he did

HItler sucks lets not go to that level TY

Yes, but coat-tailing a discussion of inviolable rights which show no signs of having been violated, during an active terrorism investigation (not even a week), may not have the appeal you would like, and ultimately may provoke a reaction you least advocate here.
 
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Yes, but coat-tailing a discussion of inviolable rights which show no signs of having been violated during an active terrorism investigation (not even a week), may not have the appeal you would like, and ultimately may provoke a reaction you least advocate here.


Ahhh Pls restate, not sure what you saying!!
 
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Ahhh Pls restate, not sure what you saying!!

No, sorry, though I value your posts, not worth it to me to restate or consider further, which is my point. I added a comma.
 
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Sorry guys stuff just flies through my mind!

Am I awesome, I saved a bunch of people, or am I a just luggage thief! on CCTV!! !
 
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FYI I was in Suffolk Cty and I heard/felt it! Every media outlet reported it was fighter jets at JFK to accompany AF1.
I heard that too, but news said Obama was at the UN when it occured and that AF1 was still grounded.

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http://pix11.com/2016/09/21/loud-boom-heard-in-queens-nassau-county-areas-officials-investigating/

Not related but- This definitely rattled us all here. My Dad called me frantic earlier. Local news just said NORAD states no Military jets were in area during the time of the loud boom. Ack!

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You have been invaluable here! Been here a while! Had read posts from folks that live in the area where whatever the event was - found their posts huge.

Then Pulse happened. I am gay. I live in Orlando. I have been in Pulse. I know people who go to Pulse.

It is so stunning at how different it is when it is in your face.

It is a different world .

Just want you to know, I appreciate your posts. It is completly different experiance when it is your space, when you have been in that space, it is just so different.

TY for sharing - its tough times my dear

A PS here

Clsoing in on 60. Neighbor 22 gay. Friends. Know he goes to Pulse. Several days before , in passing , mentioned he was going to conferenace.

Not all that close. But my god I would have been nuts if I did not know he was out of town.
 
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You have been invaluable here! Been here a while! Had read posts from folks that live in the area where whatever the event was - found their posts huge.

Then Pulse happened. I am gay. I live in Orlando. I have been in Pulse. I know people who go to Pulse.

It is so stunning at how different it is when it is in your face.

It is a different world .

Just want you to know, I appreciate your posts. It is completly different experiance when it is your space, when you have been in that space, it is just so different.

TY for sharing - its tough times my dear
I felt the pain from Pulse because I am gay myself, but I can't imagine how you felt living close by and going to Pulse. Hugs.

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I heard that too, but news said Obama was at the UN when it occured and that AF1 was still grounded.

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We had a sonic boom from NJ a few months ago. This was different. It was a thud. Loud one. Shook the room.
 
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Bomb Suspect Ahmad Rahami's Wife Returning to U.S. With Escort
by TOM WINTER, RICHARD ESPOSITO and WILLIAM M. ARKIN, NBCNEWS

Sept 21 16, 4:53 pm


"Officials say that Aziza Bibi Rahami, whose first name has also been reported as Azia, is not in custody and is not considered a suspect. They say she is a "witness" and she is being accompanied by a U.S. government air marshal on her flight to an East Coast airport.

[...]

questioned by the FBI Tuesday in the United Arab Emirates, according to a senior law enforcement official.

[...]

The official says she told the FBI she knew nothing about any plan by her husband to carry out terror attacks or bombings."



Sourced to above:

She left for Pakistan in June, for the summer.

He began his purchases online on June 20th, after she left.

She was planning to return this week,

but was detained in Dubia for more expedient questioning.



Out there thinking:

Does that seem like pretty pre-planned distancing, effective, as such, or was he just at loose ends while she was away? The bombs aimed at the Marine race seemed planned in advance. Was her return planned by him or her?

So, a seemingly serious working father, rigid in his faith, laughing over explosive with pals, with a history of violence, turns into a rambling fanatic over the summer, scribbling the obvious in his little note book as he goes ballistic, but fails on all counts by intervention of luck, three times? And he seemed so normal, no red flags... selling fried chicken not too far from Newark airport, yet his family/friends take off toward Queens airports?

If those guys who took the suitcase are never found, he could seem like a dupe, in somebody else's plan.
 
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I felt the pain from Pulse because I am gay myself, but I can't imagine how you felt living close by and going to Pulse. Hugs.

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Its mutual - when this mess started -it was like oh he/she is getting these mesages , stuck int tunnel etc etc fighters are flying around etc it just moved me

to be honest I would not have gone in the next day I would have my pts cancelled ! Just would not be able to deal!!!!

I admired your resistance..... we shall proceed

its so weird, when that guy I posted earlier said it was not the main part of Chelsea, that bugged me by that I mean, I had been there years ago, loved it gay wise, assumed it was the main street thing I had experinced

It was not. That changed stuff, why did he pick there, gay area , yes - not main hub yes, but gay, gays live there, a lot! So why did he go off the main area , and blow up where people live-- as opposed to "party"-- its almost more personal - blow up mybar OR blow up where, as a gay man i live it struck me as much more persoanal if that makes sense

His target selection remains my most befuddling part of the whole thing

IN terms of distance, how far away , from a tourist point if view ( when I was there I went to the main gay part and hung out and loved it) so my question is , how far away is the main "Chelea gay part" from where he bombed - it was apparently not the main deal that I was at )

how far away are the two??
 
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Do any of us think he was bright enough or whatever to do this when the UN stuff was going on??
 
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OH guys

checking in on the protests - gut --- this is not gonna a pleasant evenign

ugh

boy have we turned in to a violent , hateful, space.....................
 
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OH guys

checking in on the protests - gut --- this is not gonna a pleasant evenign

ugh

boy have we turned in to a violent , hateful, space.....................

Terrible.
Somehow we have turned into a hateful nation. Really sad.
 
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