NY - Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein arrested, sex trafficking, 6 July 2019 *FOUND DECEASED IN JAIL* #4

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Not everything Giuffre says should be taken at face value, either. There's no doubt she was trafficked, but her allegations of who she was trafficked to have had mixed results... At one end, Prince Andrew doesn't come off as believable in the slightest; at the other, she very likely lied about Alan Derschowitz. There's certainly evidence being withheld that would destroy many powerful people who deserve to be destroyed (politicians on both sides of the aisle and internationally, although even moreso, the "donor class"... business, media, academia, PACs, "think tanks", etc), but the extent to which he was using it for blackmail is highly speculative. While Epstein was certainly brazen and reckless (a painting of Bill in Monica's dress, naming his jet the "Lolita Express"), an actual list of evidence against everyone he was blackmailing just seems too stupid for such a supposedly elaborate and sophisticated scheme. To quote Tony Soprano, "Why not just leave them a f'n urine sample?"

Whatever the "list" is, it could be in a variety of forms. The rest of his flight logs maybe. Or, it could be a list of evidence against various people, but actually made by the FBI once they got ahold of it (because the actual contents would be a crime just to view). A financial "client list" would be just Leslie Wexner. We already have his address book, but that doesn't actually tell us much, because the contacts have a wide range of potential power and culpability... Everything from heads of state to caterers.
With so much lying going on it's hard to know what to believe.
Do you believe the U.S. Justice Department and FBI's findings about Epstein's death will change public opinion?
If we don't believe the DOJ or FBI then all we're left with are conspiracies and some of those might be lies.
So what's the answer and how do the Epstein victims get justice?
 
  • #162
More likely Epstein (and Ghislaine) offered these young girls to business partners to celebrate after doing a business deal. There would be no evidence, just the testimony of the young girls.
 
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If there's "nothing to see here", why is Ghislaine in jail???

Riddle me THAT!
 
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Just...wow.
 
  • #168
How do Epstein victims get justice? Probably every victim has already settled for large sums of money and signed non-disclosure agreements.
 
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How do Epstein victims get justice? Probably every victim has already settled for large sums of money and signed non-disclosure agreements.

IANAL, but I'm fairly certain non-disclosure agreements are valid when someone is a witness in a criminal investigation. They would not have to forfeit anything they received in a financial settlement.
 
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IANAL, but I'm fairly certain non-disclosure agreements are valid when someone is a witness in a criminal investigation. They would not have to forfeit anything they received in a financial settlement.

Correction: I meant to type NDAs are NOT valid when someone is a witness. NDA's do not protect people who break the law.
 
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  • A “bawdy” letter to Jeffrey Epstein, bearing President Donald Trump’s signature, was included in an album of letters Epstein received for his 50th birthday in 2003, The Wall Street Journal reported.
  • The letter was sent at the request of Epstein’s friend Ghislaine Maxwell, according to the newspaper.


Trump writes on Truth Social that when he personally told Rupert Murdoch that the WSJ story was not true, "Mr. Murdoch stated that he would take care of it but, obviously, did not have the power to do so." Trump says he's going to sue WSJ -- and Rupert Murdoch.

 
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  • A “bawdy” letter to Jeffrey Epstein, bearing President Donald Trump’s signature, was included in an album of letters Epstein received for his 50th birthday in 2003, The Wall Street Journal reported.
  • The letter was sent at the request of Epstein’s friend Ghislaine Maxwell, according to the newspaper.


Trump writes on Truth Social that when he personally told Rupert Murdoch that the WSJ story was not true, "Mr. Murdoch stated that he would take care of it but, obviously, did not have the power to do so." Trump says he's going to sue WSJ -- and Rupert Murdoch.

from the article:

The paper said that Trump told the Journal that if it published an article about the letter, “I’m gonna sue The Wall Street Journal just like I sued everyone else.”
 
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  • A “bawdy” letter to Jeffrey Epstein, bearing President Donald Trump’s signature, was included in an album of letters Epstein received for his 50th birthday in 2003, The Wall Street Journal reported.
  • The letter was sent at the request of Epstein’s friend Ghislaine Maxwell, according to the newspaper.


Trump writes on Truth Social that when he personally told Rupert Murdoch that the WSJ story was not true, "Mr. Murdoch stated that he would take care of it but, obviously, did not have the power to do so." Trump says he's going to sue WSJ -- and Rupert Murdoch.

From the article you posted:

According to the Journal, the letter “contains several lines of typewritten text framed by the outline of a naked woman, which appears to be hand-drawn with a heavy marker.”

“A pair of small arcs denotes the woman’s breasts, and the future president’s signature is a squiggly ‘Donald’ below her waist, mimicking pubic hair,” the Journal’s Khadeeja Safdar and Joe Palazzolo reported.

“The letter concludes: ‘Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret,’” they wrote.
 
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From the article you posted:

According to the Journal, the letter “contains several lines of typewritten text framed by the outline of a naked woman, which appears to be hand-drawn with a heavy marker.”

“A pair of small arcs denotes the woman’s breasts, and the future president’s signature is a squiggly ‘Donald’ below her waist, mimicking pubic hair,” the Journal’s Khadeeja Safdar and Joe Palazzolo reported.

“The letter concludes: ‘Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret,’” they wrote.
🤮
 
  • #177
For those with a subscription, the NYTimes has an article about Epstein dated today, July 19, 2025.
 
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Trump sues WSJ and Murdoch and Dow Jones for $10 billion (£7.5 bn)…


Donald Trump has filed a $10bn (£7.5bn) lawsuit against the Wall Street Journal's parent company Dow Jones and its owner Rupert Murdoch over claims that he wrote a "bawdy" note to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

The US president claims the publication slandered him and violated libel laws in an article alleging that a birthday greeting bearing Trump's name was sent to the late financier in 2003, before he was charged with sex crimes.

Trump said the note, which the paper reported he had sent for Epstein's 50th birthday, is "fake".
 
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Trump sues WSJ and Murdoch and Dow Jones for $10 billion (£7.5 bn)…


Donald Trump has filed a $10bn (£7.5bn) lawsuit against the Wall Street Journal's parent company Dow Jones and its owner Rupert Murdoch over claims that he wrote a "bawdy" note to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

The US president claims the publication slandered him and violated libel laws in an article alleging that a birthday greeting bearing Trump's name was sent to the late financier in 2003, before he was charged with sex crimes.

Trump said the note, which the paper reported he had sent for Epstein's 50th birthday, is "fake".
He's suing Murdoch? Wow.

jmo
 
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