NY NY - Bronx, Tibbett Ave, WhtFem 40-80, UP10138, in school storage shed, fishnet stockings, Jan'89

[madamx]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP10138
Female White / Caucasian
Date Body Found Jan 30, 1989
Location Found Bronx New York

Case Information


Case Numbers
NCMEC Number--
ME/C Case NumberB89-00583

Demographics
SexFemale
Race / EthnicityWhite / Caucasian

Estimated Age GroupAdult
- Pre 80
Estimated Age Range (Years)
40-80

Estimated Year of Death
1960-1980

Estimated PMI
Years

Height 5' 5"(65 inches) , Estimated
Weight Cannot Estimate

Circumstances
TypeUnidentified Deceased
Date Body FoundJanuary 30, 1989
NamUs Case CreatedApril 12, 2012
ME/C QA ReviewedApril 13, 2012
Location Found Map

LocationBronx, New York
CountyBronx County
GPS Coordinates (Not Mapped)40.892231, -73.900305

Circumstances of Recovery
Skeletal remains were found in an old storage shed at an Elementary School at 4440 Tibbett Avenue.


Details of Recovery


Inventory of Remains
one or both hands not recovered
Condition of Remains
Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton

Physical Description
Hair Color unknown
Head Hair Description unknown

Left Eye ColorUnknown
Right Eye ColorUnknown
Eye Description missing

Distinctive Physical Features
Item
Description
Other distinctive physical characteristic
osteoporosis


Clothing and Accessories
Item
Description
Clothing
slip with lace,
Black fishnet stockings
mesh bra
Near the Body

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[madamx]

Map of location

 

[victoriarobinson642]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Mary Monroe seems like the most likely but appears that the NYC ME aren't too focused on MP cases.

 

[madamx]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Mary Monroe seems like the most likely but appears that the NYC ME aren't too focused on MP cases.

Ooooh Mary Monroe sounded Fancy... I like her!

Honestly it seems the NYC ME our Mayor and our Governor are all not interested in Anything .. we have the worst of Everything right now...seem like anybody in any power in NYC is a joke right now... it’s bad really bad the worst I have seen it in years..sigh.. it still won’t keep me from trying!!!

 

[Triss]

Ooooh Mary Monroe sounded Fancy... I like her!

Honestly it seems the NYC ME our Mayor and our Governor are all not interested in Anything .. we have the worst of Everything right now...seem like anybody in any power in NYC is a joke right now... it’s bad really bad the worst I have seen it in years..sigh.. it still won’t keep me from trying!!!

Sorry to hear that! I hope things change for the better soon!

 

[madamx]

Sorry to hear that! I hope things change for the better soon!

Omg I know!!! I love My city so much tooo! This is the ONLY time in my life I have Ever thought of moving!

 

[madamx]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

MISSING
Missing Person / NamUs #MP52097Deniece Louise Herreras, Female, White / Caucasian
Date of Last ContactDecember 15, 1976
Missing FromBronx, New York

 

[madamx]

I wish there was more info on where this shed was. . How nobody found this body that supposedly has a 1960 to 1980 range . How was it missed. Who had access to this shed.

I have been looking and I have not found any articles of bodies found in a shed in the Bronx. If someone has newspaper.com and can check would be great.

I also wish there were photos of the clothing and perhaps we could get a better idea of the clothing to possibly Narrow in closer in a date when the body appeared there.

 

[madamx]

Directions - Horace Mann School

Horace Mann ready to convert another Tibbett Ave home

below is a map which shows 4400 and where it’s located. Seems to be an actual house perhaps the shed was in the back?

 

[madamx]

I believe it’s #20 which is stated to be the kindergarten cottage

Campus Map - Horace Mann School

 

[madamx]

Bumping

 

[BigKeyManatee]

I believe it’s #20 which is stated to be the kindergarten cottage

Campus Map - Horace Mann School

Horace Mann certainly had its share of scandals.
Other articles in WaPo, NYT and the Atlantic.
Horace Mann sex abuse scandal involved 64 students and 22 faculty, staff: report

 

[madamx]

Horace Mann certainly had its share of scandals.
Other articles in WaPo, NYT and the Atlantic.
Horace Mann sex abuse scandal involved 64 students and 22 faculty, staff: report

Ooooh this is interesting .. I had not seen this.. thank you for posting BigKey!… I wonder if this person was someone from the school at one point?!

 

[madamx]

Here are a couple more articles.


Horace Mann Survivor

Confronting a Horace Mann Teacher Who Abused His Students


Private schools assault may no longer be private


Sexual Abuse at a Prestigious Private School

 

[madamx]

Great Is the Truth: Secrecy, Scandal, and the Quest for Justice at the Horace Mann School


In June 2012, Amos Kamil's New York Times Magazine cover story, "Prep-School Predators," caused a shock wave that is still rippling. In his piece, Kamil detailed a decades-long pattern of sexual abuse at the highly prestigious Horace Mann School in the Bronx. After the article appeared, Kamil closely observed the fallout. While the article revealed the misdeeds of three teachers, this was just the beginning: an extraordinary twenty-two former Horace Mann teachers and administrators have since been accused of abuse.


In Great Is the Truth, Kamil and his coauthor, Sean Elder, tell the riveting story of how one of the country's leading schools was beset by scandal. In 1970, Horace Mann hired R. Inslee "Inky" Clark Jr. as its headmaster. As Yale's wunderkind dean of admissions, Clark had helped revolutionize the Ivy League by recruiting a more diverse student body.

In the coming years, he would raise Horace Mann to new heights of academic distinction even as serious complaints against beloved teachers were ignored.

Kamil and Elder introduce those teachers, among them
a popular football coach who had reportedly tried out for the Washington Redskins,
a distinguished conductor who took his prize students on foreign trips,
an otherworldly English teacher who discussed Eastern philosophy over tea and helped tend the school's gardens,
and another English instructor, who told his students that they were mere dust under his foot in comparison to Shakespeare.


In gripping detail, Kamil and Elder relate what happened as survivors of abuse came forward and sought redress. We see the school and its influential backers circle the wagons. We meet Horace Mann alumni who work to change New York State's sexual abuse laws. We follow a celebrity lawyer's contentious efforts to achieve a settlement. And we encounter a former teacher who candidly recalls his inappropriate relationships with students.

Kamil and Elder also examine other institutions-from prep schools to the Catholic Church-that have sought to atone for their complicity in abuse and to prevent it from reoccurring.


"Great is the truth and it prevails" may be the motto of Horace Mann, but for many alumni the truth remains all too hard to come by. This book is essential reading for anyone trying to understand how an elite institution can fail those in its charge, and what can be done about it.


https://www.amazon.com/Great-Truth-Secrecy-Scandal-Justice-ebook/dp/B00W1CO7D6


What caught my eye was the teacher that used to tend to the school gardens. This body was found in a shed on the grounds. I wonder if this shed has anything to do with the schools gardens.

 

[BigKeyManatee]

Great Is the Truth: Secrecy, Scandal, and the Quest for Justice at the Horace Mann School


In June 2012, Amos Kamil's New York Times Magazine cover story, "Prep-School Predators," caused a shock wave that is still rippling. In his piece, Kamil detailed a decades-long pattern of sexual abuse at the highly prestigious Horace Mann School in the Bronx. After the article appeared, Kamil closely observed the fallout. While the article revealed the misdeeds of three teachers, this was just the beginning: an extraordinary twenty-two former Horace Mann teachers and administrators have since been accused of abuse.


In Great Is the Truth, Kamil and his coauthor, Sean Elder, tell the riveting story of how one of the country's leading schools was beset by scandal. In 1970, Horace Mann hired R. Inslee "Inky" Clark Jr. as its headmaster. As Yale's wunderkind dean of admissions, Clark had helped revolutionize the Ivy League by recruiting a more diverse student body.

In the coming years, he would raise Horace Mann to new heights of academic distinction even as serious complaints against beloved teachers were ignored.

Kamil and Elder introduce those teachers, among them
a popular football coach who had reportedly tried out for the Washington Redskins,
a distinguished conductor who took his prize students on foreign trips,
an otherworldly English teacher who discussed Eastern philosophy over tea and helped tend the school's gardens,
and another English instructor, who told his students that they were mere dust under his foot in comparison to Shakespeare.


In gripping detail, Kamil and Elder relate what happened as survivors of abuse came forward and sought redress. We see the school and its influential backers circle the wagons. We meet Horace Mann alumni who work to change New York State's sexual abuse laws. We follow a celebrity lawyer's contentious efforts to achieve a settlement. And we encounter a former teacher who candidly recalls his inappropriate relationships with students.

Kamil and Elder also examine other institutions-from prep schools to the Catholic Church-that have sought to atone for their complicity in abuse and to prevent it from reoccurring.


"Great is the truth and it prevails" may be the motto of Horace Mann, but for many alumni the truth remains all too hard to come by. This book is essential reading for anyone trying to understand how an elite institution can fail those in its charge, and what can be done about it.


https://www.amazon.com/Great-Truth-Secrecy-Scandal-Justice-ebook/dp/B00W1CO7D6


What caught my eye was the teacher that used to tend to the school gardens. This body was found in a shed on the grounds. I wonder if this shed has anything to do with the schools gardens.

Hmmmm, one or both hands not found, and no mention of dentals in the NamUs profile.
I wonder if victim was edentulous (given the age range), or if the teeth and hands were removed postmortem in order to confound identification?

 

[BigKeyManatee]

I wish there was more info on where this shed was. . How nobody found this body that supposedly has a 1960 to 1980 range . How was it missed. Who had access to this shed.

I have been looking and I have not found any articles of bodies found in a shed in the Bronx. If someone has newspaper.com and can check would be great.

I also wish there were photos of the clothing and perhaps we could get a better idea of the clothing to possibly Narrow in closer in a date when the body appeared there.

Maybe NSFW
The Long History of Fishnet Stockings

I’ve always had a love affair with fishnet stockings, but I digress.
Let’s just say that adult women don’t wear black fishnets without knowing that they draw attention from men. Add a lacy slip and a mesh bra and I’ll wager (but not judge) that this woman knew how to maximize this effect.
The first idea that comes to mind is that she was an escort who was targeted for a professional hit. Too dramatic?
I agree MadameX, it would be informative to get a look at the style and labels on the lingerie. Amazing that the stockings were still identifiable after 30 years in a shed!

 

[madamx]

Hmmmm, one or both hands not found, and no mention of dentals in the NamUs profile.
I wonder if victim was edentulous (given the age range), or if the teeth and hands were removed postmortem in order to confound identification?

That is a good question.. I actually had not paid attention to that until you pointed it out. I think I was more focused on her clothing.
Could the hands have been chewed off by critters throughout time? Still would not explain the teeth.

It’s is interesting how the fishnets did not disintegrate in 30 years.. I guess they were made when things were made to last ha! Speaking of that. Now that you mention it, I had a pair of fishnets made by Danskins that were indestructible.. what gave out first was the elastic on the waist. They were from the late 1980s.

Mesh bra
Lace slip
Fishnets
Really wish there was a photo because you would see what style the bra was and sort of get a closer range on date. It’s frustrating.


Whoever did it had to be really familiar with the area to know that shed was accesible and that nobody would notice the dead body smell or better yet find the body in all those years.

Maybe it was done in the summer when school was out?

 

[madamx]

They must of had grounds keepers and maintenance workers. Those guys are around all year round and would be the ones with access to the shed.
How did nobody notice the smell?

 

[madamx]

Virtual tour of the school grounds


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