NY - Captured, escaped convicted killers, David Sweat & Richard Matt, Dannemora #8

[Bravo]

IMO, I don't think the breakout occurring on a Friday night into Saturday was a random choice. My thought is that offing Lyle served one major purpose: He was the only one likely to immediately notice Tillie missing on a weekend. Perhaps without him around to connect the dots (which may be giving him way more credit than was due) they potentially have a whole 2 days before people back at CCF notice Tillie and Lyle haven't shown up for work and figure out who they are with

:welcome6:

 

[GGE]

Exactly.... all systems were go, when she was leaving for work on Friday night, I guess
she didn't think she'd be immediately connected to DS and RM, and killing him would buy them at least a few days.

They must have told her Friday that their dry-run on Thursday was a success.

They didn't work nights. She and Lyle worked the same shift, days, and drove both ways together in the same car. On the way home from work they had dinner then she got chest pains so he took her to the hospital where she spent the night and he went home.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/husband-pr...ll-accused-helping-convicts/story?id=31865459

"On the night of the escape, Dumas said, the couple left work, "drove through town, stopped at the Chinese restaurant here in town, had dinner, drove home. As they were driving home Joyce said she was having some chest pains, some flushing in her face, so he decided he was going to take her to the hospital."

According to Clinton County District Attorney Andrew Wylie, Joyce Mitchell had planned to meet Matt, 48, and Sweat, 35, at a power plant near the prison the night of their escape and expected to drive them to a wooded area about seven hours away. In addition, Joyce Mitchell had talked to Matt and Sweat about killing her husband, who also worked at the prison, Wylie said.

In the end, though, instead of driving the getaway car, Mitchell checked herself into a hospital, complaining of a panic attack, Wylie said. "

"When Lyle Mitchell got back home from the hospital, he "slept for about four hours, came back to the hospital and spent the morning with Joyce," Dumas said. "Subsequently, the police started contacting him, started asking some questions. At that point, he didn't realize Joyce was involved. He just thought they were just following up on all the employees in the area." "

 

[GGE]

And the question you had about paint - both men were artists and had paint regularly because of being in the honor block, where inmates were allowed to paint their cells as they pleased, which some argued was a bad idea because sometimes inmates would paint over razorblades and the like and then peel them out and use them as weapons. One of the things Gene brought into them and hid for them in the catwalk way back when was paints from Michael's, remember?

 

[Hope4More]

Hey... IKN, but I'm feeling like this heroin drug ring is some kind of deflection,(coming from Como) to change the direction from the escape plan and who helped.

I would like to know how DS got into RM's cell at night (to crawl through his cutout behind bed) aren't their cells locked at night? also, they had to of had a map...? and I don't believe the tool box was left from a contractor .... that sounds ridiculous to me. (JMO)

I'm sure the FBI and NY investigations will overlap in some areas (whether or not NY would prefer that or not), but their jurisdictions are obviously different. The FBI's focus won't be on the escape itself, maybe, because most aspects of what led to the escape itself are outside their jurisdiction. They can investigate corruption of public officials and drug trafficking, for instance, but I'd imagine Cuomo's Inspector General investigation bears the responsibility of piecing together the escape story.

I don't think deflection is going to ward off the findings of either of those parallel investigations. The FBI's lighting fast and determined investigation has already boxed NY officials in. Their suggested story line that Tillie acted alone and Palmer is basically a good dude led astray sounds more absurd (and corrupt) by the hour.

 

[Hope4More]

IMO, I don't think the breakout occurring on a Friday night into Saturday was a random choice. My thought is that offing Lyle served one major purpose: He was the only one likely to immediately notice Tillie missing on a weekend. Perhaps without him around to connect the dots (which may be giving him way more credit than was due) they potentially have a whole 2 days before people back at CCF notice Tillie and Lyle haven't shown up for work and figure out who they are with

Good thinking!

 

[GGE]

And the question you had about paint - both men were artists and had paint regularly because of being in the honor block, where inmates were allowed to paint their cells as they pleased, which some argued was a bad idea because sometimes inmates would paint over razorblades and the like and then peel them out and use them as weapons. One of the things Gene brought into them and hid for them in the catwalk way back when was paints from Michael's, remember?

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/2nd-prison-worker-charged-in-killers-escape/33764754


"Late last month, he said in the statement, he delivered a package said to contain a pound of frozen ground beef and two tubes of paint to the other inmate, Richard Matt."

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"On another occasion, Palmer said, he helped Matt conceal "two-oil based tubes" of paint that he had purchased for the inmate in the catwalk."

 

[-MD-]

 

[SBurrus]

Wasn't he the spokesperson for Imperial margarine? :thinking:

 

[GGE]

Wasn't he the spokesperson for Imperial margarine? :thinking:

I thought he was The Wiz. Nobody Beats The Wiz.

 

[trigger]

sorry, but I'm flabbergasted he was hired by a max security prison (lol) in any capacity.

Idk, they hired people at my job, (Police Dept) with handicapped people working part time, doing filing, some were janitors, and cleaners, etc. They did a background checks on them etc. they were even bused there. It was lovely.

 

[Hope4More]

They didn't work nights. She and Lyle worked the same shift, days, and drove both ways together in the same car. On the way home from work they had dinner then she got chest pains so he took her to the hospital where she spent the night and he went home.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/husband-pr...ll-accused-helping-convicts/story?id=31865459

"On the night of the escape, Dumas said, the couple left work, "drove through town, stopped at the Chinese restaurant here in town, had dinner, drove home. As they were driving home Joyce said she was having some chest pains, some flushing in her face, so he decided he was going to take her to the hospital."

According to Clinton County District Attorney Andrew Wylie, Joyce Mitchell had planned to meet Matt, 48, and Sweat, 35, at a power plant near the prison the night of their escape and expected to drive them to a wooded area about seven hours away. In addition, Joyce Mitchell had talked to Matt and Sweat about killing her husband, who also worked at the prison, Wylie said.

In the end, though, instead of driving the getaway car, Mitchell checked herself into a hospital, complaining of a panic attack, Wylie said. "

"When Lyle Mitchell got back home from the hospital, he "slept for about four hours, came back to the hospital and spent the morning with Joyce," Dumas said. "Subsequently, the police started contacting him, started asking some questions. At that point, he didn't realize Joyce was involved. He just thought they were just following up on all the employees in the area." "

I think they intended to kill both Lyle and Tillie. I believe Sweat that they expected Tillie to meet them. Tillie not coming home would have meant a concerned Lyle contacting Clinton folks, possibly alerting them to the escape earlier than convenient.

I also believe Sweat that the two planned on heading south. Maybe Mexico for the one and not the other, but south as in drive fast out of NY then ditch Tillie's car.

But... I think laying low in the area was always Plan B, in case Tillie didn't follow through. Why else would they ask her for lighted goggles and spend a year coaxing info out of CO's about cabins and the lay of the land?

And I still wonder very much why Clinton CO's didn't check that cabin of theirs, ESPECIALLY since there is no way those involved (if they weren't involved at all) didn't think of those many conversations and connect the dots.

 

[GGE]

I think they intended to kill both Lyle and Tillie. I believe Sweat that they expected Tillie to meet them. Tillie not coming home would have meant a concerned Lyle contacting Clinton folks, possibly alerting them to the escape earlier than convenient.

I also believe Sweat that the two planned on heading south. Maybe Mexico for the one and not the other, but south as in drive fast out of NY then ditch Tillie's car.

But... I think laying low in the area was always Plan B, in case Tillie didn't follow through. Why else would they ask her for lighted goggles and spend a year coaxing info out of CO's about cabins and the lay of the land?

And I still wonder very much why Clinton CO's didn't check that cabin of theirs, ESPECIALLY since there is no way those involved (if they weren't involved at all) didn't think of those many conversations and connect the dots.

Your post reminded me that a group of what, five CO's leased the cabin? I wonder if all five happen to be included in the people put on leave today? No way of knowing until names start coming out though. Even then no telling if we can get our hands on the names of those who are leasing it..

 

[GGE]

I like how Clinton Correctional is on Cook Street and the guy who shot Sweat and ended this all was Sgt. Cook.

And hamburgers, you know.

 

[-MD-]

Wasn't he the spokesperson for Imperial margarine? :thinking:

Sorry for O/T.

Fixed:

 

[trigger]

With drugs, guards that looked away, sex, weapons, etc I'm surprised inmates weren't found dead in their cells.

I bet some of the drugs came into the prison right through the mail room. Only my opinion.

 

[sds71]

N.Y. times says they did a dry run the night before

 

[trigger]

OT

Another bank robbery by my house. We are in locked down...helicopters flying by..just like last week.

 

[epiphany]

Name of third official at CCF now released:

Prison Superintendent Steven Racette, First Deputy Superintendent Donald Quinn and Deputy Superintendent for Security Stephen Brown are among those whose jobs are on the line, law-enforcement sources told The Post.

http://nypost.com/2015/06/30/12-prison-staffers-suspended-for-letting-convicted-killers-escape/

 

[epiphany]

But it's really mostly about the 51 yo civilian seamstress employee:

Racette, a department veteran who worked his way up from correction officer, has only been in charge of Clinton for about a year, and one source said he was being made a “scapegoat” for the embarrassing escape of convicted killers David Sweat and Richard Matt.

“Anyone in the upper food chain is a target. Those who are responsible are low-level workers,” the source said.

http://nypost.com/2015/06/30/12-prison-staffers-suspended-for-letting-convicted-killers-escape/

 

[Greater Than]

Convict Conducted Dry Run of Breakout the Night Before Escaping

No details in article yet about the night before ^^

<snip>

Mr. Sweat, who is being treated for his wounds at Albany Medical Center, also told investigators that he and Mr. Matt began sawing through the back walls of their cells roughly six months before they staged their escape from Clinton Correctional Facility, a person briefed on the matter said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/01/n...-the-night-before-escaping.html?smid=tw-share

Six months. But Matt didn't get the hacksaw blades and drill bits until six days before they escaped:

"Prison tailor shop supervisor Joyce Mitchell, who has been charged with helping Matt and David Sweat escape, asked Palmer on Friday, May 29, to get a package of frozen meat from a freezer and deliver it to Matt’s cell the next day, Brockway said."
http://www.pressrepublican.com/news...cle_2758483e-1a85-11e5-90eb-0f67165d3ecb.html

So what did they use six months ago to saw through their cell walls, which enabled them to get onto the catwalks to get to the power tools they used on the steam pipe? And who gave them THOSE saws?

And not to be forgotten... Who gave them the blueprints or layout of the bowels of the prison? Someone did. They knew exactly where to climb down from six floors up, knew if they broke through that brick wall they could get to that steam pipe, knew exactly which pipe to saw though, knew exactly where to saw out of the pipe to put them directly under the manhole, and knew they could cut a lock from the inside to remove the manhole cover.

Sweat can claim only Tillie helped all he wants, but it's very clear they had way more help.