NY NY - East Islip, WhtFem 15-23, UP11774, in shallow grave, ring w/ D.E.C, clog shoe, belt, Apr'78

[Beekarina]

I guess anything is possible. People have killed younger. The belt and location are enough to raise my eyebrows.

I could be way off, but yeah. And it also occurred to me that a young girl probably would have accepted a ride or otherwise trusted a 15-16 year old guy. But...then if she actually did die in 1975, he was very young and I have never heard of anyone killing with him, has anyone else? I looked and did see his father passed away in 1975, so maybe he was really upset by this and whatever drove him to kill started really early?

Again, just a thought but it just seemed familiar.....

 

[SleutherGirl]

I could be way off, but yeah. And it also occurred to me that a young girl probably would have accepted a ride or otherwise trusted a 15-16 year old guy. But...then if she actually did die in 1975, he was very young and I have never heard of anyone killing with him, has anyone else? I looked and did see his father passed away in 1975, so maybe he was really upset by this and whatever drove him to kill started really early?

Again, just a thought but it just seemed familiar.....

All things being equal, it does seem more likely to be him than not.

 

[LucyOso]

Following

 

[snooptroop88]

I had a difficult time finding this particular thread and was shocked to see Sylvia Lwowski already ruled out. As I continued through the thread, I was thinking Denise Sheehy might be this Doe, saw many people mentioning Denise. THEN I saw Denise also was ruled out. Cynthia Constantine photographs very blonde, and the likeness for the Doe appears darker (still could be, though). So 1968 through 1975. If Heuermann's at the back of this in their thinking, there's a much more complicated situation than we're as of yet aware of. Seeing Dorothy Clitheroe in here, wondered on this as well, but her hair photographs very dark.

Looking to see if Sandra Hopler already mentioned.

YES. Yes. And I don't think that DEC on the ring is a factor, that could be DEC meaning December, too, I would think, like a Christmas gift or something. Depends on how it was spelled out.

Some possible matches:

Rory Gene Kesinger - #MP26809
Missing From: Plymouth, MA
DLC: May 27, 1973
Missing Age: 24
Height: 5'3" (63 inches)
Hair Color: Brown
Circumstances: Rory and her friends were involved in gun running and drug smuggling. They were arrested one evening in January 1973 in Pembroke during a drug raid. After attempting to shoot a police officer, Rory was incarcerated in the Plymouth County jail. She was charged with two counts of assault with intent to murder. Rory escaped on May 27, 1973, before standing trial, and hasn't been seen since. (per Doe Network)

Sheryl Ann Tillinghast - #MP3259
Missing From: Wassaic, NY (approx. a 2-hr drive from East Islip)
DLC: September 24, 1973
Missing Age: 17
Height: 5'3" (63 inches)
Hair Color: Brown and straight - Length to the middle of her back
Circumstances: Sheryl Tillinghast was employed and lived at the Wassaic State School, Wassaic, Dutchess County, New York until the time of her disappearance, about September 24, 1973. She reportedly left behind her possessions and two paychecks. Sheryl was originally from Phelps, Ontario County, New York. She remained in regular contact with her family until the time of her disappearance. No known vehicle. Sheryl was not reported missing until November 2, 1998. DNA and fingerprints are available. There are no dental records available.

Sandra Lee Hopler - #MP8897
Missing From: Scranton, PA
DLC: September 29, 1973
Missing Age: 18
Height: 5'4" (64 inches)
Hair Color: Light brown
Circumstances: Hopler was last seen in La Plume, Pennsylvania on September 29, 1973. She was a student at Keystone Junior College at the time. Hopler told her roommate she was going to go to New York City for a visit. She was last seen at the bus stop. She never returned home and has never been heard from again. Few details are available in her case.

Mimi Schultz - #MP72661
Missing From: Valley Stream, NY (approx. a 40-min drive from East Islip)
DLC: March 21, 1974
Missing Age: 15
Height: 6'0" (72 inches) (I suspect this may be inaccurate -- a 15-year-old girl being 6'0" and 105 lbs seems highly improbable)
Hair Color: Brown
Circumstances: Unknown

Linda Geronimo - #MP21462
Missing From: Wyandanch, NY (approx. a 20-min drive from East Islip)
DLC: June 25, 1975
Missing Age: 25
Height: 5'2" (62 inches)
Hair Color: Black, long
Circumstances: Individual left home address to go to store and did not return home.

Delores Jean Stanton - #MP7783
Missing From: Gainesville, FL
DLC: April 13, 1976
Missing Age: 21
Height: 5'2" (62 inches)
Hair Color: Brown
Circumstances: Ms. Stanton left her residence to go to school. She has not been seen since. She was a known hitchhiker.

(excerpted for emphasis) Circumstances: Hopler was last seen in La Plume, Pennsylvania on September 29, 1973. She was a student at Keystone Junior College at the time. Hopler told her roommate she was going to go to New York City for a visit. She was last seen at the bus stop. She never returned home and has never been heard from again. Few details are available in her case.

And she was taking a Trailways bus. Namus: "Sandra was last seen on September 29, 1973. She was a student at Keystone Junior College in La Plume, PA and was last seen at Martz Trailway Bus Station in Scranton, PA."

Seeing Lynne Schulze mentioned, she was outside a health store owned by Robert Durst the day she vanished, evidently, and someone thought Lynne had said she was heading for New York. Vermont's where RH's wife vacationed at one point, Jeffersonville. Jeffersonville VT is just over an hour north of where Lynn was in Middlebury VT.

Robert Durst Case: Missing Student Lynne Schulze Shopped at His Business: Cops

Durst, 71, is already facing a murder charge in the 2000 Christmas Eve shooting of his friend, Susan Berman.

www.nbcnews.com

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Seeing the Durst Organization worked with many, many NYC architectural firms. (Before his murder conviction, Durst was worth like $100 million.)

HMM. That's incredibly interesting.

 

[Lex141]

They have released a facial reconstruction for this Jane Doe

Suffolk County DA Seeks Help to Identify East Islip’s ‘Heckscher Park Jane Doe’ Cold Case » Fire Island News & Great South Bay News

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

They have released a facial reconstruction for this Jane Doe

Suffolk County DA Seeks Help to Identify East Islip’s ‘Heckscher Park Jane Doe’ Cold Case » Fire Island News & Great South Bay News

 

[Lex141]

I found one of the original articles about this case, and some of the details are different. This original article states that a man was using his metal detector when he found victim - no mention of a dog “digging up remains”. Attaching OG article and current case description from Suffolk County DA office. Also attaching photo of the clog, which was found 58 away from victim.

 

[Hannahgmq]

New to this particular case, noticed current information potentially matches Deborah Lee Tomlinson The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) , struggling to find more photos of Deborah to compare to the reconstruction, this is the only one available

She went missing from Oregon but however she is a runaway and ran away with another unnamed female in 1973 according to police records. NCMEC told her sister that records “possibly relating to Deborah” were destroyed in a fire (source: another bundy blog) which is interesting. Her sister Jean however believes she most likely “ran off with a guy”. Would be great to have more photos of her to compare further. Curious on thoughts on the distance between her disappearance and doe being found, as she most likely ran away is it implausible to have ended up closer to the east coast? Not from America so any insight/opinions on that would be helpful.

 

[Melt71]

New to this particular case, noticed current information potentially matches Deborah Lee Tomlinson The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) , struggling to find more photos of Deborah to compare to the reconstruction, this is the only one available View attachment 625655
She went missing from Oregon but however she is a runaway and ran away with another unnamed female in 1973 according to police records. NCMEC told her sister that records “possibly relating to Deborah” were destroyed in a fire (source: another bundy blog) which is interesting. Her sister Jean however believes she most likely “ran off with a guy”. Would be great to have more photos of her to compare further. Curious on thoughts on the distance between her disappearance and doe being found, as she most likely ran away is it implausible to have ended up closer to the east coast? Not from America so any insight/opinions on that would be helpful.

Not implausible, we have seen plenty of cases where people have shown up on the other side of the country from their missing report. Assuming you are new to UIDs and matching, suggest you look at the match suggestions page of DoeNetwork as they have one of the easiest forms and it really prompts you to think about why you are suggesting a match. They also are very kind and will normally respond to your submission. (And if you are just new to WS but not to matching/making submissions, apologies for my assumption.)

 

[Hannahgmq]

Not implausible, we have seen plenty of cases where people have shown up on the other side of the country from their missing report. Assuming you are new to UIDs and matching, suggest you look at the match suggestions page of DoeNetwork as they have one of the easiest forms and it really prompts you to think about why you are suggesting a match. They also are very kind and will normally respond to your submission. (And if you are just new to WS but not to matching/making submissions, apologies for my assumption.)

Thank you, new to WS not UIDs and I have submitted it just to be safe, thank you for your kind response. I’ll update here on any replies I get.

 

[Lex141]

New to this particular case, noticed current information potentially matches Deborah Lee Tomlinson The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) , struggling to find more photos of Deborah to compare to the reconstruction, this is the only one available View attachment 625655
She went missing from Oregon but however she is a runaway and ran away with another unnamed female in 1973 according to police records. NCMEC told her sister that records “possibly relating to Deborah” were destroyed in a fire (source: another bundy blog) which is interesting. Her sister Jean however believes she most likely “ran off with a guy”. Would be great to have more photos of her to compare further. Curious on thoughts on the distance between her disappearance and doe being found, as she most likely ran away is it implausible to have ended up closer to the east coast? Not from America so any insight/opinions on that would be helpful.

This case has been one I’ve watched for quite awhile and Deborah is on my long list. Teenagers running away in the 1970s was a HUGE thing and a lot of people have been found across the country from where they were reported missing. Many times police would brush reports off as “runaway” and unidentified never had a report filed. Also, only 16 states currently are mandated to report missing persons to NAMUS which is problematic in itself.

 

[Hannahgmq]

This case has been one I’ve watched for quite awhile and Deborah is on my long list. Teenagers running away in the 1970s was a HUGE thing and a lot of people have been found across the country from where they were reported missing. Many times police would brush reports off as “runaway” and unidentified never had a report filed. Also, only 16 states currently are mandated to report missing persons to NAMUS which is problematic in itself.

Wow, I didn’t know about only 16 states being mandated to report, so many missing people could be compared/ruled out, it would definitely make a huge difference, thanks for commenting that I had no idea! Definitely with you on “runaway” being a term thrown around far too loosely, especially for teenagers. Makes you think how easy cases like Doe’s could be solved if we had all 50 states on system and missing teens not being blamed for their own disappearance. It would be great if there was a petition/ movement to contact senators about that, it could help the community potentially solve so many John and Jane Does.

 

[Beekarina]

dbm

 

[Lex141]

dbm

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[Beekarina]

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I replied to something older when I was tired, and then shortly after doing so, I realized my error in thinking. DBM alerts so it can be removed. (DBM=deleted by me)

Hope this helps explain.