• #901
"Advanced forensic analysis of Ellery Jane Doe’s DNA, dental work, and fingerprints here in the United States, Canada, and around the globe has not led yet to her identification, or to the identification of any of her family members,”

Then what was the connection to Robert C. Minard from Florida publicized in 2022? I was under the impression that IGG was started and he was a distant genetic match (just that they hadn't explicitly said this), which would also point away from a European origin.

Unless this is just a journalist's error, confusion, or misrepresentation.
Suspected murderer, I'd say. His daughter (I think?) showed up on the Facebook thread and started chimping out (can't imagine any other reason why she'd be so defensive).
 
Last edited:
  • #902
- I think she was a rich art dealer from Europe, that would make sense as she wore a expensive designer clothes and was planning to buy art.
- I consider Sas being a place name, in particular Sas van GentI, a Dutch town, right on the Belgian border (abbreviated commonly as just "Sas") , ("Sas" in Dutch can also refer to a sluice or canal lock, common in place names in the Netherlands and Belgium), but there is also a possibility Sas is actually a real Dutch/Flemish first name or nickname.
- K.R.H. could be K.R.H. Sonderborg (was a major European abstract expressionist painter, very active in the German and European art scene from the 1950s-1980s, exhibited extensively in Germany, Netherlands, Belgium - exactly matching her ancestry profile). The K.R.H. was his professional identifier used by galleries and catalogs, not his personal signature. 24233 could be his studio or gallery contact number in that era (but possibly also contact info of another gallery or art dealer).
- SAog could be an abbreviation for a company, organization, or place name.
- K.R.Ba. 68301 - Ba could be Basel or Bavaria.
- Sarg. 74261 could be s an abbreviation of Sargans - a town in Switzerland.
- The numbers could be European phone numbers as in the early 1980s, many European countries had 5-digit local numbers, particularly in smaller cities in the Netherlands, Belgium, and West Germany, exactly the countries matching her ancestry. There is also the possibility that they could be partial numbers as she may have known the prefix/area code by heart and only wrote the unique portion.
 
  • #903

193UFNY - Unidentified

Artistic renderings of the victim; note found with victim. To view a postmortem photo of the victim, please click Photo 1
193UFNY6.jpg

193UFNY8.jpg

193UFNY5.jpg

193UFNY1.jpg
1773848019485.webp


Artistic renderings of the victim; note found with victim. To view a postmortem photo of the victim, please click Photo 1
Date of Discovery: December 6, 1983
Location of Discovery: Ellery, Chautauqua County, New York
Estimated Date of Death: Hours prior
State of Remains: Recognizable face
Cause of Death: Homicide by gunshot

Physical Description

Estimated Age: 30-37 years old
Race: White
Sex: Female
Height: 5'04"
Weight: 128 lbs.
Hair: Hair: Brown, graying.

Eye Color: Brown
Distinguishing Marks/Features:

Identifiers

Dentals: Available. She had bridge work on the right side of her mouth which appeared to be expensive and of European origin, particularly the gold material observed.
Fingerprints: Available.
DNA: Available.

Clothing & Personal Items

Clothing: White V-neck camisole (inexpensive) manufactured in Carpi, Italy and non exportable; a green, brown, red checked trench coat (expensive), reversible to olive drab wool, size 40 (this size is unavailable in Canada and USA, must be European, possibly Italian, as their sizes follow a different scale than European sizes); blue-gray wool crew neck pullover; plaid wool skirt (handmade) with various shades of brown blue and red.
Jewelry: None. No evidence that she had worn jewelry before she was killed.
Additional Personal Items: A handwritten note from the Blue Boy Motor Lodge in Vancouver, British Columbia. Abbreviations and numbers were present on this note, but investigators have been unable to determine what they meant.

Circumstances of Discovery


The victim was discovered in a ditch along Route 17, Southern Tier Expressway, eastbound lane, in the Town of Ellery.
The partially clad body was found by utility company employees at approximately 08:30. The victim had been shot once in the back, twice in the chest, and once inside the mouth. Chautauqua County is located in the Western most part of New York State between Buffalo, New York, and Erie, Pennsylvania.
It is believed the victim may have been from Canada or some European Country. However, no reports of internationally missing individuals appear to match the victim by physical description. Fingerprint searches have also turned up negative.

Initial reports from law enforcement state the victim may have been sexually assaulted, yet this remains unconfirmed.
 
  • #904
- Regarding the IUD: Was it expensive? In the early-mid 1970s yes, relatively expensive and required a gynecologist fitting, not a cheap procedure, also required follow up appointments, it was not universally covered by insurance initially.
- Clothes, gold dental work, IUD, international travel = All suggest established wealthy background.
 

Guardians Monthly Goal

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
114
Guests online
1,392
Total visitors
1,506

Forum statistics

Threads
647,105
Messages
18,870,402
Members
246,214
Latest member
4marg&joan
Top