Deceased/Not Found NY - Etan Patz, 6, New York, 25 May 1979 #1 *P. Hernandez guilty*

[Kat]

Thanks so much epiph! You've given me hope in my memory, at least it's not fading as fast as I think with old age!

 

[passionflower]

Oh if only the perp would talk!!!

 

[passionflower]

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/04/etan_patz_disap.php

investigation could take up to 5 days........

 

[epiphany]

Oh if only the perp would talk!!!

Interview and new questioning techniques may have yielded some half-truths which then led to the scent pads, etc.

 

[passionflower]

http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/to...ment-for-possible-new-clues-in-etan-patz-case

video and pictures

On Thursday, the law enforcement agents spent 10 hours in the 13-foot by 62-foot basement, noting the position of every object

 

[wfgodot]

I get the feeling that the original detectives working the case discounted the "sexual liasons were known to occur in that space" thing - this was SoHo, after all - and when that aspect was looked at with fresh eyes, a new theory of the case arose, one involving the person who rented that space; possibly, persons known to have been friends or acquaintances of Mr Miller at the time were pulled in for chats. Fresh evidence may have come down that avenue.

 

[Reannan]

We at the Leslie-Lohman Museum of Gay & Lesbian Art would like to extend our deepest sympathies to the Patz family regarding the disappearance of their son Etan on May 25, 1979.

With the news of the reopening the investigation due to new information, the FBI is conducting a thorough investigation of Etan’s disappearance, and although there is an annex storage space to the Museum on Prince Street where Etan was last seen, at the time of his disappearance the space had no affiliation with the Museum.

However, we will provide our full cooperation to the FBI to help them achieve resolution to this case.

http://www.galleristny.com/2012/04/...-search-we-will-provide-our-full-cooperation/

Just to clarify - they are searching the basement where Othneil Miller had a workshop when Etan went missing (1979). The address is at 127 Prince Street. There is currently a Lucky Brand store at street level (which comes up on Google Maps, Street View). The gay/lesbian art gallery, Leslie/Lohman Gay and Lesbian Museum of Art is located about 4 blocks away at 26 Wooster Street. The museum has an annex in the basement that they are digging up. The Leslie/Lohman organization was only established in 1990, so they probably have NOTHING to do with this case - but the content of their organization is obviously very sexual, and there are news reports that indicate some sort of sexual activity was a cultural phenomenon in that basement back in 1979. We need to know WHAT was in that building back then.

 

[Kat]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/n...case-police-begin-new-search-for-remains.html

If this article has already been posted my apologies in advance.

(says it was posted in the last half hour to internet)

snipped:

according to the law enforcement official, Mr. Miller was interviewed by Federal Bureau of Investigation agents, and when the possibility was raised that the boy had been buried in the basement, he blurted out, “What if the body was moved?” the official said.

unnamed official but now we are seeing that in MSM.

The basement being searched — at 127B Prince Street, at the corner of Wooster Street — had also been used by the SoHo Playgroup, a parent-led space for preschool children. A woman who had participated in the group as a child said she believed Etan was a member of the playgroup.

Wonder if this is accurate?

“I think that there is guarded optimism that they’re going to find something,” an official said.

wow.

More than a decade ago, Mr. Miller invited the police to come in and examine the basement, suggesting that they could tear up the floor if they wanted, but that they would have to pay to replace it, a person involved in the inquiry at the time said. Because Mr. Miller was not a suspect, they did not take him up on his offer, the person said.

Slightly different retelling but pretty much the same. Either way, this time they can clear him and move on or Etan was there and hopefully they find him and bring him home.

 

[wfgodot]

Newest Wall Street Journal article posted 39 minutes ago; not sure what's new from its last appearance:

[Mr Miller] just lives alone with his daughter. He's a good man, he's a quiet man," said neighbor Kareem Bryant, 39 years old. "Sundays you see him with his cane going to church."

Steve Kuzma, the building manager at 127B Prince St. since 1977, didn't remember Mr. Miller and had only vague memories of Etan. He said FBI agents in recent weeks came to the building three times to look at the basement, which he described as "pretty clean." On the third visit, the agents brought a dog.

[NYPD spokesman Paul Browne] said the location had been examined in the past. He declined to elaborate other than to say it "was not a tip" that led to the search.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303425504577354310311948988.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

 

[epiphany]

Investigators are working on the theory that the handyman, OM, killed the boy and buried him there, one law enforcement official said.

In recent days, according to the law enforcement official, Mr. M was interviewed by Federal Bureau of Investigation agents, and when the possibility was raised that the boy had been buried in the basement, he blurted out, “What if the body was moved?” the official said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/n...h-for-remains.html?smid=tw-nytmetro&seid=auto

 

[strawberry]

Wow! Look at al these posts for a long lost little boy. I hope they findthe angel so his poor mother can have him home from school...finally..after 33 years.

 

[Kat]

Just to clarify - they are searching the basement where Othneil Miller had a workshop when Etan went missing (1979). The address is at 127 Prince Street. There is currently a Lucky Brand store at street level (which comes up on Google Maps, Street View). The gay/lesbian art gallery, Leslie/Lohman Gay and Lesbian Museum of Art is located about 4 blocks away at 26 Wooster Street. The museum has an annex in the basement that they are digging up. The Leslie/Lohman organization was only established in 1990, so they probably have NOTHING to do with this case - but the content of their organization is obviously very sexual, and there are news reports that indicate some sort of sexual activity was a cultural phenomenon in that basement back in 1979. We need to know WHAT was in that building back then.

This is from Lisa's book.

(link to some of it here, I was reading so you'll have to toggle pages to find this entry)

http://books.google.com/books?id=pz...onepage&q=etan patz jamaican handyman&f=false

And Lisa wrote:

"Miller's basement office operated out of the same building as the first gay erotic art gallery, whose owners were also questioned with intensity."

FWIW, I don't see that Lisa described OM as being listed as a family friend in her book. We might want to make sure that is an accurate report. Instead it is described that (Etan) is his little friend.

Also, I haven't googled to see what the name of the first gay erotic art gallery was in NY. Don't know if that info is available.

 

[Yoda]

??? According to the NYTimes that building was home to a co-op playgroup also!!!! A woman said Etan's sister and Mom used to attend but she didn't know if Etan ever did.
So a known sex liaison place and playgroup in the building?


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/n...gation-soho-recalls-the-old-neighborhood.html

 

[wfgodot]

Short but good little NYT article: Etan Patz's Disappearance Still Haunts Many SoHo Residents

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"What's enlightening is the fact it's not forgotten about. It's been 30 years and obviously there are a lot of people still working on it which is pretty nice to know," said neighbor Neal Edelson.

"You know something? It's never a cold case. If it's a kid missing, you've got to do everything you can, no matter how long it takes," said a local.
---

 

[Reannan]

Well... I am not quiet sure what to make of this. I don't think it violates TOS because the general info is already out in the media (for anyone that cares to google the addresses involved - And you KNOW reporters - if they are worth a dang, are all over it - I would be). Anyways - from the early 1970's up until 1980 (a year after Etan went missing), there was a PLAYGROUP of children in the basement they are digging up!!! WTF??? "The SoHo Playgroup". I don't know what to say or how to process this. The 'two local business owners' that 'donated a basement space on the corner of Prince and Wooster' are the two guys that currently own the Leslie-Lohman Gallery of Gay and Lesbian Art. :banghead::banghead::what:

"I met most of my old-time SoHo friends at the SoHo Playgroup, which was started by a bunch of neighborhood mothers as a series of playdates in various homes and at Thompson Street Playground (now called Vesuvio Playground) around 1970. After that, for a time they met at the Children’s Aid Society until two local building owners, Leslie Lohman Museum of Gay and Lesbian Art - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, donated a basement space on the corner of Prince and Wooster (under the restaurant FOOD, now the site of the Lucky Store). The Playgroup parents cleaned out the basement, put down tiles, and painted the walls. Once the Playgroup moved into its own space, it became a bit more structured and organized. Cynthia, a teacher, was hired for $50 cash per week and the parents paid $20 per child per week and were required to “work” one day per week. The Playgroup operated weekday mornings, and each morning a group of three parents would help Cynthia look after the fifteen children, thus giving the children a fun place to play and socialize while the other parents had some free time. An “after-school” program was also set up where groups of five children each would visit a rotating list of lofts to play during the afternoon hours.
I attended the SoHo Playgroup from 1972, around when it opened in the Prince Street space, until I was old enough to enter kindergarten at P.S.3 (no such thing as pre-K back then!). My sister also attended, from around 1974-1977. Cynthia was the teacher there the entire time we attended, and I think it stayed open for a few more years, until around 1980."

http://sohomemory.com/2011/01/12/the-soho-playgroup/

 

[wfgodot]

first gay erotic art gallery was in NY. Don't know if that info is available.

I think this is the one; it operated at one time from an address on Prince Street: The Leslie Lohman Museum (Wiki)

The Leslie Lohman Museum was founded by J. Frederic "Fritz" Lohman, ASID and Charles W. Leslie. The two men had been collecting art for several years, and mounted their first exhibition of gay art in their loft on Prince Street in New York City in 1969.

This is not to say that the museum, its founders, its artists, or its visitors were in any way involved. It is now a prestigious institution and, undoubtedly, suffered the prejudices of its time - this may be the source of the rumor that the space was notorious for sexual liasons, in fact - prejudice against the gay community.

In April 2012, it was accredited as an officially recognised museum by the State of New York and the name was changed to its current name from the Leslie/Lohman Gay Art Foundation.

 

[Kat]

I think we all know that back in the late 70's what the general treatment was of gays and I'm so glad that it has changed and continues to change--(I have several within my own family that are out) but we have to look at the situation from 1979.

And, that was before the rise and ID of ARC or AIDS. (I've lost a cousin and a few friends to AIDS over the years) Therefore, there were places that men/men women/women who were shunned by the general population would meet and have contact. IIRC there were also bathhouses in NYC that were used for this purpose.

The report this morning was that there was a long dark hall that lead back into where there was art storage and a workshop. In my mind there were probably several rooms within that basement. JMHO. The long dark hallway would have offered an opportunity for a quick liason thereby earning it the name of a place people go to have sex.

I did google the first gay erotic art gallery

Leslie Lohman Museum of Gay and Lesbian Art - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Leslie Lohman Museum was founded by J. Frederic "Fritz" Lohman, ASID and Charles W. Leslie.[6] The two men had been collecting art for several years, and mounted their first exhibition of gay art in their loft on Prince Street in New York City in 1969.

 

[Kat]

Thanks everyone! I'm too slow haha! You all are great

 

[Reannan]

I think this is the one; it operated at one time from an address on Prince Street: The Leslie/Lohman Museum of Gay and Lesbian Art (Wiki)

Then from the link I just posted, they donated the space for the children's 'play group' that existed in the basement they are now digging up to look for Etan's body. What the heck is wrong with this picture - except everything!!! :sick:

 

[passionflower]

I wonder if 'handyman' did jobs outside SOHO..............
If he did kill a child once, or is / was a pediphile, are there more victims in 33
years, I would think so........JMOO