Deceased/Not Found NY - Etan Patz, 6, New York, 25 May 1979 #2 *P. Hernandez guilty*

[pinktoes]

This is amazing. I searched for bodega soho NYC and pulled up a website that's been doing a historical blog on what I think is that very bodega where Hernandez worked.

"I recently asked around to see what other folks remembered about the bodega. The sinful steak sandwiches, the weed they sold behind the counter, and the barbecues. They used to roast a whole pig in the parking lot next door."

This blogger says it was the bodega at West Broadway and Prince, which as I read the maps, that's the one. She said she caught her school bus in front of it.

link:
http://sohomemory.com/tag/bodegas/

It is pretty amazing that there were no other children, parents, shopkeepers or anyone. Just little Etan.

 

[Yoda]

It's a good (meaning bad) one. Wiki has a pretty good write-up. A Native American who lived in the area of the Girl Scout Camp was charged with the murders but found not guilty. Many people think it was a miscarriage of justice. I never felt that the guy - Gene Leroy Hart - did the crime. It's been a talking point here in NE OK where I live (the crime scene's a little over an hour south of me) for 35 years now. Everybody alive back then who knew the case still will give you his or her opinion now.

Nuts. I knew I shouldn't have googled it. I might be posting to that thread in a few days with questions. That is one unusual case.

 

[necco]

Yeah, what the heck is a bodega by the way?

It's just a Spanish word for your typical old fashion corner store. The kind kids would save their pennies for and go in and buy candy or a soda. They sometimes have a small deli. In many neighborhoods, it is almost the heart of the neighborhood and often the owners know everyone who comes in. Someplace to pick up a bagel with cream cheese, the Sunday paper and a pack of smokes. The owner of the one in my neighborhood always used to slip me an Andes candy and pinch my cheeks.

That's fascinating that you didn't know that. It's one of those words I assume everyone knows but clearly must be a colloquialism. (This is not meant remotely as a criticism, I'm just fascinated by the variations in the English language based on geography.)

ETA: Oops. I see wfgodot already answered you.

 

[Perodicticus potto]

PH is a U.S. Citizen. PH is Puerto Rican.

PH was working under the table at the Bodega

I was just wondering why he had to work under the table if he was a U.S. citizen. Did they mean he was working for cash in hand, with no one paying tax or Social Security?

Probably not important to the case, but I was just curious.

 

[Cancan]

The Post has photo/diagram of the apartment, bodega and bus stop. He could not have been more than five minutes out of his apartment when he was taken. His poor family, my God. He was so close. Only 200 feet away.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/arrest_at_last_in_murder_DRJQtD8Q3jXWnWGyEjOfwM

 

[Steely Dan]

Robert Morgenthau, who was DA for close to 35 years, has always insisted that there has never been sufficient evidence to convene a grand jury against Ramos. I don't believe he has ever wavered on that.

Well if Hernandez really did this then I have to give that DA a lot of kudos for not giving in to pressure.

But a judge did deam in a civil trial that he was guilty of causing the death and awarded the family 2 million (never paid however)

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...0419_1_etan-patz-child-case-child-molestation

No one was ever criminally charged in the disappearance, but in 2004 the Patz family won a $2 million civil judgment against Jose Antonio Ramos, a friend of Patz's babysitter, who has denied any involvement in Patz's disappearance. The sum has not been paid.

It's scary that something like that can happen if the guy didn't do it. JMO

I was just wondering why he had to work under the table if he was a U.S. citizen. Did they mean he was working for cash in hand, with no one paying tax or Social Security?

Probably not important to the case, but I was just curious.

If he was working under the table it's probably to avoid employment taxes by the owner. It might also explain why he wasn't interviewed. The police may have asked for a list of the bodegas workers, and since he wasn't getting legally paid his name may not have appeared on the list.

Here's this mornings CNN article; http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/25/justice/new-york-etan-patz/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

...Other employees of the store were interviewed after Etan disappeared, but not Hernandez, police said.

"I can't tell you why," said Kelly, indicating the case was a crime of opportunity.

The commissioner said it is unlikely police will find Etan's remains....


I agree with those who think that there may be something hinky to this whole thing. It does seem rather convenient. I'd like to know what makes them sure he did it. JMO

 

[Steely Dan]

Part of the press conference; http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2...kelly-former-stock-clerk-bad.city-of-new-york

 

[dotr]

Pigs can fly!!!!Made my day!!

 

[dotr]

house of suspect.Sorry if already posted!
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/ne...ler-etan-patz-lived-quiet-life-in-new-jersey/

"Gilbert Lopez, who identified himself as a brother-in-law of Hernandez, said the suspect is one of about 12 children. Their mother died about seven years ago, and with her death, the family's large Thanksgiving gatherings came to an end.

Lopez, 45, said he was shaken by the news of his brother-in-law's arrest.

"A good family man. Quiet. Always nice," Lopez said. "I can't believe all this is happening."


Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/ne...lived-quiet-life-in-new-jersey/#ixzz1vt0jNuPQ

 

[BaxterDE42]

A scam is, quite simply, a lie. Why would he be perpetrating a scam (lie)? Any of the countless number of same reasons that hundreds, if not thousands, of other people falsely confess to crimes each year.

I whole-heartedly disagree with your statement that most 33 year old murders would have no evidence left to provide proof. I would imagine that most murderers of unsolved cases could take police to the body at any time they wished. The "body disappeared" claim is the hallmark of a scam.

All just my opinion of course.

It is the DA who needed the scam as I stated in several posts up thread. This is done on a smaller scale in closing cases and certainly high profile cases no different maybe more prone to a confession. After all Vance built his campaign strategy on solving this case. Looks like he delivered and now he can focus on his November re-election because he is just so eficient and qualified. All just speculation and Moo, of course.

As to Pedro's motive? Google will tell you more than you wanted to know about selling out for a guilty plea when you have nothing to loose and need a permanent home (although short life), three squares a day and free medical care. Dying in a place with those perks is more appealing than a cardboard box out in the elements without pain killers. Gee this guy may even get a small bank roll and a private cell! A win-win for all but a innocent 6 year old and his parents. Again my opinion. I hope to know someday that I am wrong but...

 

[jamiect]

How do you prosecute the Etan Patz case?

This aired last night on the 11pm news. :fence:

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=8676121

 

[thefragile7393]

I was just wondering why he had to work under the table if he was a U.S. citizen. Did they mean he was working for cash in hand, with no one paying tax or Social Security?

Probably not important to the case, but I was just curious.

Plenty of US citizens work under the table. They avoid paying child support or collect unemployment and work under the table at the same time........many reasons out there.

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[jamiect]

Suspect in Patz Case Is Taken to Bellevue Hospital

The former SoHo bodega stock boy who confessed to murdering 6-year-old Etan Patz was taken to Bellevue Hospital this morning and placed on suicide watch after telling authorities he was off his psychiatric medication, sources told The Post.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...z_murder_JaSVUoyl0e3h4la6u4mfDO#ixzz1vtOeyV2P

 

[wfgodot]

Woke up this morning wondering if I'd dreamed all that we learned yesterday.

Still doesn't seem possible - Patz case solved? Never thought I'd live to see it.

 

[epiphany]

Snipped

In a bizarre twist, he signed his name on Etan’s missing poster as a sign of guilt while in custody yesterday, the sources said.

Snipped

Lopez’s wife, Margarita, Hernandez’s sister, said Hernandez “was sick.”

“He had mental problems. He told me he was bipolar,” Margarita Lopez said of her brother, a former construction worker who is on disability and has no criminal record.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/arrest_at_last_in_murder_DRJQtD8Q3jXWnWGyEjOfwM#ixzz1vtUJVfEv

 

[wfgodot]

Lengthy Daily Mail article - they basically just add info to their original article so the new stuff's usually at the top; lots of pics here too:

'He would get angry at nothing': Family of man who 'strangled Etan
Patz in bodega and dumped body in garbage' describe short temper

The man who has confessed to the murder of missing child Etan Patz has a 'really short fuse', according to his brother-in-law, as dramatic new details about the famous case emerged.

Pedro Hernandez, who has been arrested on suspicion of killing six-year-old Etan when he was just 19, 'would get angry at nothing' when he was younger, his brother-in-law Jose Lopez told MailOnline.

Hernandez's family appears to have turned on the self-confessed killer, as his sister insisted that he should 'pay for what he did' if found guilty of second-degree murder.
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the rest at link above

 

[KenoshaKid]

Yeah, what the heck is a bodega by the way?

I take it to be one of those little Hispanic neighborhood grocery stores.

 

[epiphany]

Hernandez worked in construction until he suffered a back injury in 1993 and has since received disability payments, Kelly said.

http://hosted2.ap.org/OREUG/f7ded15...g NYC Boy/id-cca090f2c7b843fdb9e6e10a58ccb467

 

[gitana1]

What was the motive for luring this kid off the street and choking him to death? I think he's omitting something from his confession.

 

[Disgusted]

What was the motive for luring this kid off the street and choking him to death? I think he's omitting something from his confession.

In my humble opinion, he likely hasn't gotten around to making that part up yet.