GUILTY NY - Evanna Tranberg-Bennett, 12, died, parents failed to get her medical care, 6 Dec 2019 Probation

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I believe tomorrow afternoon some of the TB family (adult sisters ? ) are to appear in a 'different local court' with a new judge. This new judge has probably seen the TB family FB post, where they pasted a nasty article from the NYT regarding this same judge. That's gonna go well for them..

Yes, hearing tomorrow starting at 6 pm in Town Court in front of Town Justice Sharon Grubin.
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  • #322
Putting this out there....Is the TB family so exceptionally vocal on FB because they are trying to cover up what LE actually found in the house from day one?
 
  • #323
Putting this out there....Is the TB family so exceptionally vocal on FB because they are trying to cover up what LE actually found in the house from day one?

IMO, the TB family is vocal on FB because there are some serious issues with the family! Is it because of what LE may have found in the home? Maybe. Or, is it because they are so brainwashed into believing the cockadoodie BS that Mommy and Daddy have fed them? ( Government Bad....Formula Bad...Vaccinations Bad...Doctors Bad...Sugar Bad....School Bad...People Bad... etc)

ETA.. My explanation for the word cockadoodie....
A made up word from Kathie Bates character in Misery, by Steven King
 
  • #324
Putting this out there....Is the TB family so exceptionally vocal on FB because they are trying to cover up what LE actually found in the house from day one?

I think the TB family (or the writer) may have the delusion that they are distracting LE, when clearly they are just exposing themselves to even more scrutiny. But I’m not sure the writing is really that purposeful. I know she thinks she is trying to protect the children, defend her family and bring down DSS. But I honestly think the “verbal diarrhea” on FB is something the writer can’t control because she is obsessively compelled to write for whatever psychological needs she has. It is so repetitive and overwrought, angry and defensive...as if her “survival” depends upon it at some level. She can’t stop even if it’s to her advantage to be quiet, as any good lawyer would tell her. This is just my perception and I could be way off base on this.
JMO
 
  • #325
I think the TB family (or the writer) may have the delusion that they are distracting LE, when clearly they are just exposing themselves to even more scrutiny. But I’m not sure the writing is really that purposeful. I know she thinks she is trying to protect the children, defend her family and bring down DSS. But I honestly think the “verbal diarrhea” on FB is something the writer can’t control because she is obsessively compelled to write for whatever psychological needs she has. It is so repetitive and overwrought, angry and defensive...as if her “survival” depends upon it at some level. She can’t stop even if it’s to her advantage to be quiet, as any good lawyer would tell her. This is just my perception and I could be way off base on this.
JMO

Excellent post Lilibet!
The like button wasn't sufficient.
I pictured her ( the writer) while reading your post. And what I saw was someone frantic!
 
  • #326
Excellent post Lilibet!
The like button wasn't sufficient.
I pictured her ( the writer) while reading your post. And what I saw was someone frantic!

Thanks @shotgun09. :) “Frantic” really describes her and it’s quite sad when you think about her that way. As you pointed out in your post, there’s been brainwashing going on for years. I think the criminal charges against the family will just entrench the “us against them” mentality even further, rather than wake them up to realize that Evanna’s life was sacrificed in service to these beliefs. Poor child.

Or, is it because they are so brainwashed into believing the cockadoodie BS that Mommy and Daddy have fed them? ( Government Bad....Formula Bad...Vaccinations Bad...Doctors Bad...Sugar Bad....School Bad...People Bad... etc)
 
  • #327
Okay everyone,

This thread is for Evanna.

Please keep the focus on Evanna and forego the social media drama of what a FB page has to say about Websleuths or anything other than Evanna. It is derailing the thread, has no bearing on Evanna's case and is in fact a total distraction from it.

Evanna is the victim here. Remember Evanna !!
 
  • #328
IMO, the TB family is vocal on FB because there are some serious issues with the family! Is it because of what LE may have found in the home? Maybe. Or, is it because they are so brainwashed into believing the cockadoodie BS that Mommy and Daddy have fed them? ( Government Bad....Formula Bad...Vaccinations Bad...Doctors Bad...Sugar Bad....School Bad...People Bad... etc)

[RSBM]

Adding to that...if you've grown up in an environment where you're taught to believe everyone outside your family could be out to get you, is a bad person, an undercover worker for the state, will harm you or kill you, will "rip you away from your family"...that seems like the perfect breeding ground for paranoid delusions to me.

Persecutory delusions are the most common type of delusions and involve the theme of being followed, harassed, cheated, poisoned or drugged, conspired against, spied on, attacked, or otherwise obstructed in the pursuit of goals.
(Delusion - Wikipedia)

-Parts bolded by me for emphasis, as from what I've seen, the TB family has accused various people of doing all of these things in their rambling diatribes on social media.

This led me down an interesting rabbithole, landing at Folie a deux-

Folie à deux ('madness for two'), also known as shared psychosis or shared delusional disorder (SDD), is a psychiatric syndrome in which symptoms of a delusional belief, and sometimes hallucinations, are transmitted from one individual to another. The same syndrome shared by more than two people may be called folie à... trois ('three') or quatre ('four'); and further, folie en famille ('family madness') or even folie à plusieurs ('madness of several').

This syndrome is most commonly diagnosed when the two or more individuals of concern live in proximity, may be socially or physically isolated, and have little interaction with other people.

  • Folie imposée is where a dominant person (known as the 'primary', 'inducer' or 'principal') initially forms a delusional belief during a psychotic episode and imposes it on another person or persons (the 'secondary', 'acceptor', or 'associate') with the assumption that the secondary person might not have become deluded if left to his or her own devices. If the parties are admitted to hospital separately, then the delusions in the person with the induced beliefs usually resolve without the need of medication.
  • Folie simultanée describes either the situation where two people considered to suffer independently from psychosis influence the content of each other's delusions so they become identical or strikingly similar, or one in which two people "morbidly predisposed" to delusional psychosis mutually trigger symptoms in each other.
Folie à deux - Wikipedia

Could either SB or HT's behavior be described by this? Has the paranoid delusion spread further through the family tree?

I'm also not looking for a "reason" or "excuse" to justify their actions. I'm more curious about what leads people to experience and develop such paranoid delusions, to the point a child's life is lost and they don't seem to understand the alarming importance and seriousness of the situation. Doesn't anyone else want to just shake them and tell them to, "snap out of it!"?

I have two dear friends who experienced great psychological, physical and sexual abuse at young ages who now live with lifelong mental health conditions that manifested in their 20s. One lives with schizophrenia and the other, dual identity disorder.

I feel it's important to address these environmental impacts on psychological and emotional development, as people don't just become this way for no reason overnight.

MOO.
 
  • #329
[RSBM]

Adding to that...if you've grown up in an environment where you're taught to believe everyone outside your family could be out to get you, is a bad person, an undercover worker for the state, will harm you or kill you, will "rip you away from your family"...that seems like the perfect breeding ground for paranoid delusions to me.

Persecutory delusions are the most common type of delusions and involve the theme of being followed, harassed, cheated, poisoned or drugged, conspired against, spied on, attacked, or otherwise obstructed in the pursuit of goals.
(Delusion - Wikipedia)

-Parts bolded by me for emphasis, as from what I've seen, the TB family has accused various people of doing all of these things in their rambling diatribes on social media.

This led me down an interesting rabbithole, landing at Folie a deux-

Folie à deux ('madness for two'), also known as shared psychosis or shared delusional disorder (SDD), is a psychiatric syndrome in which symptoms of a delusional belief, and sometimes hallucinations, are transmitted from one individual to another. The same syndrome shared by more than two people may be called folie à... trois ('three') or quatre ('four'); and further, folie en famille ('family madness') or even folie à plusieurs ('madness of several').

This syndrome is most commonly diagnosed when the two or more individuals of concern live in proximity, may be socially or physically isolated, and have little interaction with other people.

  • Folie imposée is where a dominant person (known as the 'primary', 'inducer' or 'principal') initially forms a delusional belief during a psychotic episode and imposes it on another person or persons (the 'secondary', 'acceptor', or 'associate') with the assumption that the secondary person might not have become deluded if left to his or her own devices. If the parties are admitted to hospital separately, then the delusions in the person with the induced beliefs usually resolve without the need of medication.
  • Folie simultanée describes either the situation where two people considered to suffer independently from psychosis influence the content of each other's delusions so they become identical or strikingly similar, or one in which two people "morbidly predisposed" to delusional psychosis mutually trigger symptoms in each other.
Folie à deux - Wikipedia

Could either SB or HT's behavior be described by this? Has the paranoid delusion spread further through the family tree?

I'm also not looking for a "reason" or "excuse" to justify their actions. I'm more curious about what leads people to experience and develop such paranoid delusions, to the point a child's life is lost and they don't seem to understand the alarming importance and seriousness of the situation. Doesn't anyone else want to just shake them and tell them to, "snap out of it!"?

I have two dear friends who experienced great psychological, physical and sexual abuse at young ages who now live with lifelong mental health conditions that manifested in their 20s. One lives with schizophrenia and the other, dual identity disorder.

I feel it's important to address these environmental impacts on psychological and emotional development, as people don't just become this way for no reason overnight.

MOO.
Excellent post!
 
  • #330
I've been reading and reading the fb pages--now I feel my eyes are bugging out.

My concern keeps going back to the week before Evanna collapses. Her feet are described at swollen, then not swollen, then swollen again. Yet in another post it is described as a gradual swelling. Yet in another post Evanna was knitting, watching movies, and copping the parlor as her own bedroom, all of which caused her legs/feet to swell because of being too sedentary.

I am shaking my head.

Evanna should have been taken to the clinic as soon as her feet started swelling. No 12 year-old has swollen feet without there being an underlying issue.
 
  • #331
Putting this out there....Is the TB family so exceptionally vocal on FB because they are trying to cover up what LE actually found in the house from day one?
I honestly don't understand how they can think that what they're doing with that Facebook page, the groups and even here, is helping them in any way.

From the looks of it, they have a few people that are willing to side with them. From the comments on their page, it looks like the people that believe what they say have also had issues with DSS or the County.

But everywhere they go, be it their own page, groups, MSM articles or WS, it's overwhelming how many people call them out and don't believe them.

The thing is, they exposed themselves. If I'm remembering correctly, they were only identified by name in MSM this month. Venuska came to WS in December, not long after the first thread was created and identified not only herself by first and last name and connection to the victim, but she also identified the whole family by sharing their Facebook page that, at the time, already had a bunch of pictures of almost if not all of the children.

And then, she basically exposed all of the things that LE found in the home and was concerned about. The actual story about what happened to Evanna was shaky and kept being changed around as people were saying "yeah no, that makes no sense".
 
  • #332
I honestly don't understand how they can think that what they're doing with that Facebook page, the groups and even here, is helping them in any way.

From the looks of it, they have a few people that are willing to side with them. From the comments on their page, it looks like the people that believe what they say have also had issues with DSS or the County.

But everywhere they go, be it their own page, groups, MSM articles or WS, it's overwhelming how many people call them out and don't believe them.

The thing is, they exposed themselves. If I'm remembering correctly, they were only identified by name in MSM this month. Venuska came to WS in December, not long after the first thread was created and identified not only herself by first and last name and connection to the victim, but she also identified the whole family by sharing their Facebook page that, at the time, already had a bunch of pictures of almost if not all of the children.

And then, she basically exposed all of the things that LE found in the home and was concerned about. The actual story about what happened to Evanna was shaky and kept being changed around as people were saying "yeah no, that makes no sense".
Exactly!

BBM...when I first heard of this case so many of us couldn't make heads or tails of who was a sister, who was a mother and if there was a dad. The posts felt labored with information yet disjointed.
 
  • #333
I went to bed last night thinking of Evanna, and some emotions she may have experienced prior to her death. Number one was fear. We all experience that if we have ever had to go in to the hospital un-planned. But her fears may have been exacerbated ten fold, by the paranoia and delusions that were in the atmosphere at home, IMO. Discussed somewhere in the fog of their page...they wrote about getting Evanna her favorite drink somewhere on the way to the hospital, because she (Evanna) feared the hospital food. Where does a 12 year old child get the fear of hospital food from? Instead of a reassuring ,calming and comforting presence the adults in the family chose fear, anxiety and paranoia? Who does that? Poor Evanna
 
  • #334
I'd just like to say, jail these horrible people now. #evanna
 
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It'll be interesting to see what direction the family blog heads to after this evening's Town Court hearing. We should learn what charges the remaining adults are facing in the next few days.

IMO the family is running out of steam. After all, there are only so many ways to say the same thing and so many ways to change the truth...

Evanna died from a viral illness. No, she really died from the EMTs' attempts to resuscitate her which caused massive, irreversible blood loss. We also gave her CPR but it wasn't us who broke bones.

Oh wait, she died from choking and the EMTs didn't open her airway. Oops, the diagram we posted shows an ETT (endotracheal tube) *was* inserted. We actually meant they didn't for at least 15 minutes. And so on. I've lost track of the myriad excuses. The only people the family don't blame are themselves.

In the snippet of the court hearing that was posted upthread the DA stated that the parents were not forbidden to see Evanna in the hospital when she was taken off life support. They just didn't go. Every question to the family about that goes ignored and unanswered, which IMO is an answer in itself.

They claim the manslaughter charges are "bogus" because the DA didn't charge them immediately last year. As most of us know well, it's typical for charges to be brought after a thorough investigation. Sometimes it takes week, months or even years. There's no statute of limitations on homicide.

Here are a couple of evidence-based articles that support what DSS in MA and NY have been telling the family since 2002:
Infants and children consuming atypical diets: Vegetarianism and macrobiotics).
Pediatric Nutrition - Macrobiotic Diet and Vegetarian

What the family cannot change is the truth; Evanna died because 7 adults ignored the swelling in her legs and ankles for a week! And if anyone here has ever had pneumonia you know that the symptoms are extremely uncomfortable. The pain she must have suffered!
MOO.
 
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Thank you for linking these articles MsMarple.....the information is out there & readily available to any parent who wants to ensure their child’s diet is adequate for their needs.
 
  • #337
It'll be interesting to see what direction the family blog heads to after this evening's Town Court hearing. We should learn what charges the remaining adults are facing in the next few days.

IMO the family is running out of steam. After all, there are only so many ways to say the same thing and so many ways to change the truth...

Evanna died from a viral illness. No, she really died from the EMTs' attempts to resuscitate her which caused massive, irreversible blood loss. We also gave her CPR but it wasn't us who broke bones.

Oh wait, she died from choking and the EMTs didn't open her airway. Oops, the diagram we posted shows an ETT (endotracheal tube) *was* inserted. We actually meant they didn't for at least 15 minutes. And so on. I've lost track of the myriad excuses. The only people the family don't blame are themselves.

In the snippet of the court hearing that was posted upthread the DA stated that the parents were not forbidden to see Evanna in the hospital when she was taken off life support. They just didn't go. Every question to the family about that goes ignored and unanswered, which IMO is an answer in itself.

They claim the manslaughter charges are "bogus" because the DA didn't charge them immediately last year. As most of us know well, it's typical for charges to be brought after a thorough investigation. Sometimes it takes week, months or even years. There's no statute of limitations on homicide.

Here are a couple of evidence-based articles that support what DSS in MA and NY have been telling the family since 2002:
Infants and children consuming atypical diets: Vegetarianism and macrobiotics).
Pediatric Nutrition - Macrobiotic Diet and Vegetarian

What the family cannot change is the truth; Evanna died because 7 adults ignored the swelling in her legs and ankles for a week! And if anyone here has ever had pneumonia you know that the symptoms are extremely uncomfortable. The pain she must have suffered!
MOO.
Ita.
So basically this girl died because of her families' neglect. MOO
Inaction is bad enough, but to ignore your hurting child is monstrous. :mad:
 
  • #338
Ita.
So basically this girl died because of her families' neglect. MOO
Inaction is bad enough, but to ignore your hurting child is monstrous. :mad:
Bam! Nice to see you here @LietKynes !
 
  • #339
I am hoping that some local news will cover this scheduled court appearance this evening. It is however Thanksgiving Eve, so more than likely not.
 
  • #340
I am hoping that some local news will cover this scheduled court appearance this evening. It is however Thanksgiving Eve, so more than likely not.
Yeah, I don't know how the hearings work other than they start at 6 pm.
Town Court

I've got the WTEN Twitter and FB up just in case as they seemed to pay attention to the previous hearings.
https://twitter.com/WTEN
WTEN
 
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