GUILTY NY - Evanna Tranberg-Bennett, 12, died, parents failed to get her medical care, 6 Dec 2019 Probation

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  • #381
According to their FB page their attorney is Michael Sussman. He is a civil rights attorney and a criminal defense attorney. He is not a public defender. He has handled many cases against CPS in New York.

**Indeed the link shared seems about a high profile case 40 years ago & I can find representation of cases online in regards to Civil Rights Violations. MOO is he might have been referred thru the abti-vax network from a case he filed al2 years ago the right for admission of un-vaX kids entering Pub schools. I only could spot specific case defending CPS parents in Appeal from @ 13 years ago- No doubt his defense skills are excellent as well as appeals for variety of actions. Generally “Highly profile” cases that actually resulted in a award or settlement are published extensively; especially when there are news articles deemed worthy enough to publish that there is an INITIAL filing of a lawsuit. I have yet to find anything outside his competent & voracious defense of people in last 20 years (granted in juvenile cases there privacy often remain in publication of legal settlements. Noted his Public statement regarding Tranberg Bennett was not particularly noteworthy.
 
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  • #382
I just noticed the family has posted more information about the autopsy results.

The primary cause of death was "anoxic brain injury," the second was acute pneumonia, and the kidney issues were third or fourth, with kidney failure being an underlying condition.

There are more specific details on the page.
The problem is, we are reading second hand info on these fb pages. We do not have a link to the autopsy. So whatever is stated, said, or printed on fb pages is simply what is fed to the general public.
 
  • #383
Oh my, now the family is posting screen shots of their phone (?) messages and explaining each capture on their family blog. Ugh, according to them Evanna caused major disruption in the family by being sick. The words they use to describe her while she was terminally ill and dying is heartbreaking. I'm not sure I've ever seen such negative words used for a loved one who died a horrible death like Evanna did. What is wrong with these people?

Any word on last night's hearing? None of the local news outlets bothered to report that I could find. Hopefully info will trickle out over the next few days. This may be the place to watch:
News - Mid Hudson News
BBM
Yes, is there any info on that hearing?
 
  • #384
I just noticed the family has posted more information about the autopsy results.

The primary cause of death was "anoxic brain injury," the second was acute pneumonia, and the kidney issues were third or fourth, with kidney failure being an underlying condition.

There are more specific details on the page.

IMO, this is may be an accurate explanation:

1. anoxic brain injury, caused by
2. Untreated Pneumonia can cause asphyxiation, or choking on bodily fluids (especially in children and the elderly)
3. Renal (kidney) failure can be caused by untreated and worsening Pneumonia

And to add, a piece of candy given just before choking to death cannot cause a swollen belly and weeping legs and renal failure. Those two symptoms were present way before 'the candy'....

IMO, Poor Evanna was just in their way...
 
  • #385
IMO, this is may be an accurate explanation:

1. anoxic brain injury, caused by
2. Untreated Pneumonia can cause asphyxiation, or choking on bodily fluids (especially in children and the elderly)
3. Renal (kidney) failure can be caused by untreated and worsening Pneumonia

And to add, a piece of candy given just before choking to death cannot cause a swollen belly and weeping legs and renal failure. Those two symptoms were present way before 'the candy'....

IMO, Poor Evanna was just in their way...
Agreed.
I also don't care for her being called, the girl or the child, by her own family. She has a name: Evanna
 
  • #386
I need to Google "manslaughter."
I would like to know what all it entails.
Unless others can fill me in.
Death through poor choices and/or outright neglect.
As in someone who starves a child or gives them unhealthy or homemade remedies.
As in someone who drinks until they're near blackout and then get into a car-- and drive and run over and kill someone.
Or, not getting a child to the hospital when they're in extremis , with swollen legs and in cardiac arrest.
Imo.
 
  • #387
IMO, this is may be an accurate explanation:

1. anoxic brain injury, caused by
2. Untreated Pneumonia can cause asphyxiation, or choking on bodily fluids (especially in children and the elderly)
3. Renal (kidney) failure can be caused by untreated and worsening Pneumonia

And to add, a piece of candy given just before choking to death cannot cause a swollen belly and weeping legs and renal failure. Those two symptoms were present way before 'the candy'....

IMO, Poor Evanna was just in their way...
bbm
Imo-- Yes, she was.
Sad when a child is not loved and cherished. :(
MOO
 
  • #388
Just have to get this off my chest:
I followed this from the beginning and was shocked that they didn't get help for Evanna earlier, but now reading those screenshots they posted it makes me sick to my stomach how callously they talk about Evanna.
Just my personal opinion. :(
ETA I can't express how truly sorry I feel for her and her siblings.
 
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  • #389
Just have to get this off my chest:
I followed this from the beginning and was shocked that they didn't get help for Evanna earlier, but now reading those screenshots they posted it makes me sick to my stomach how callously they talk about Evanna.
Just my personal opinion. :(
Agreed!
With each post it is getting worse and worse.
 
  • #390
IMO, this is may be an accurate explanation:

1. anoxic brain injury, caused by
2. Untreated Pneumonia can cause asphyxiation, or choking on bodily fluids (especially in children and the elderly)
3. Renal (kidney) failure can be caused by untreated and worsening Pneumonia

And to add, a piece of candy given just before choking to death cannot cause a swollen belly and weeping legs and renal failure. Those two symptoms were present way before 'the candy'....

IMO, Poor Evanna was just in their way...
Yes, that's what it sounds like according to the autopsy results, if they are accurate. It's also possible that the kidney disease had been present for quite some time. If Evanna needed CPR for 15 minutes, or however long it was, than she must not have had a pulse and the oxygen to her brain would have been cut off. It's sounds like she never regained consciousness after that. The combination of pneumonia, the kidney disorder, and the candy were all contributing factors.

It was like the "perfect storm" of events that ultimately led to her death. If she had recieved medical care when the first signs of ankle swelling appeared, which was reportedly a full week before the events on December 3rd, she might have been saved.

IMO
 
  • #391
Just have to get this off my chest:
I followed this from the beginning and was shocked that they didn't get help for Evanna earlier, but now reading those screenshots they posted it makes me sick to my stomach how callously they talk about Evanna.
Just my personal opinion. :(
ETA I can't express how truly sorry I feel for her and her siblings.
sickened with the one post where she states “Evanna was in the parlor...wanted to feel special” something about the way it was stated-very troubling
 
  • #392
As we are approaching the one year date of Evanna's death, I have thoughts of Evanna up in Heaven with Angel wings firmly attached. She is happy, and dancing and bouncing across clouds made of cotton candy- made with real sugar!
:p:D
MOO
 
  • #393
sickened with the one post where she states “Evanna was in the parlor...wanted to feel special” something about the way it was stated-very troubling
Judging from following cases here for a long time IMO it's quite unusual to see family speak so harshly about the loved one they lost. The aphorism "Don't speak ill of the dead" is deeply entrenched in our society and it's human nature to often remember the departed as saint-like in one's memory, especially when it's a child. But not with these people.

And now they've changed their previous accusation that the EMTs didn't give Evanna oxygen at all to not giving her oxygen for at least 30 minutes. The truth is absolute and not subject to change on a whim. I don't believe anything they say any more.
 
  • #394
The following are descriptive words used in the TB family's latest post about Evanna. They are alarming, IMO...and show just how little the family truly cared for and about her. She was a middle child, clearly ignored and treated poorly IMO.

1..Evanna was " invading" the parlor...and keeping them up all night
2. Evanna would "use any excuse "to.....blah blah blah
3. Evanna was 'violating' our home quarantine... requiring
and ignoring (their) demands.
4. talking about Evanna's "thing" on the phone message with Tenji. What exactly is this "thing"?
5. a comment trying to explain an IM message regarding Evanna, claims that she was "Bothering" poor sick Papa Steve. The old man gets care and compassion...Evanna gets 'jack'.

Evanna was a poor sick girl, who should have been cared for by her family, including a phone call or a visit to the doctor, much much sooner than Dec 3. Instead, she was a 'bother', she was 'violating', and, IMO ignored. Sounds kinda negligent to me.
 
  • #395
The following are descriptive words used in the TB family's latest post about Evanna. They are alarming, IMO...and show just how little the family truly cared for and about her. She was a middle child, clearly ignored and treated poorly IMO.

1..Evanna was " invading" the parlor...and keeping them up all night
2. Evanna would "use any excuse "to.....blah blah blah
3. Evanna was 'violating' our home quarantine... requiring
and ignoring (their) demands.
4. talking about Evanna's "thing" on the phone message with Tenji. What exactly is this "thing"?
5. a comment trying to explain an IM message regarding Evanna, claims that she was "Bothering" poor sick Papa Steve. The old man gets care and compassion...Evanna gets 'jack'.

Evanna was a poor sick girl, who should have been cared for by her family, including a phone call or a visit to the doctor, much much sooner than Dec 3. Instead, she was a 'bother', she was 'violating', and, IMO ignored. Sounds kinda negligent to me.
And they helpfully have now given us a time frame of Evanna being sick as early as November 13, 2019 - three weeks and a day before they called 911. Why are they so upset that DSS didn't pay attention to Steve being so ill? They say he was the *most* ill. Steve even had some ankle swelling too. Um, ok. The post goes into great detail of how Steve was treating his cold. Treatment for Evanna? Crickets. MOO.
 
  • #396
I'm sure Evanna, as a 12-year-old was probably not the go-to company for any of the adult sisters, and I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't super interested in playing with the younger children anymore.

But I have never seen anyone talking like this about a dead loved one, much less a child. The poor kid looked sick in most of the pictures.

It's pretty clear, TO ME, that those messages were 100% about Evanna being sick, not Evanna doing this and that. It was about her being sick and the family waiting for the father to decide to finally take her to the hospital.

The "life and death situation" is not about a car crash, it's about Evanna being sick and at least one adult recognized that she was in a life or death situation. That person was Tenji, who was in MA. He was not in the house and, to him, it was clear that it would have to come down to an hospital visit.

The fact that the family thinks they can fool everyone and lie about what those messages are about baffles me. They just exposed themselves even more, and I didn't think it could get any worse but it sure did.
 
  • #397
If you look up Stage 5 renal failure symptoms or “acute kidney failure symptoms death”, many sources discusses the last month before death as being very painful with many symptoms nearly all of which they mentioned including as I recall “rash” at some point.
 
  • #398
How did Evanna develop end-stage renal disease? I assume she was never seen by an actual board-certified pediatrician thus any kidney problems were never diagnosed? And, any complaints she might have voiced to her parents/family were ignored or "treated" with their miracle macro's?? How quickly can kidney problems lead to renal failure in children?? JMO, But it seems incredibly rare or impossible to go from healthy child, to child with a cold, to child dying of renal failure without precursors.
 
  • #399
How did Evanna develop end-stage renal disease? I assume she was never seen by an actual board-certified pediatrician thus any kidney problems were never diagnosed? And, any complaints she might have voiced to her parents/family were ignored or "treated" with their miracle macro's?? How quickly can kidney problems lead to renal failure in children?? JMO, But it seems incredibly rare or impossible to go from healthy child, to child with a cold, to child dying of renal failure without precursors.

I tried to Google about whether renal failure can be caused by a virus (cold? Pneumonia?) gone bad and got bogged in medical terminology. Perhaps someone with more patience than I have can follow up. But I did get the sense that it could develop quickly. We know that Covid-19 can do a number on many body systems, so why not another virus?
 
  • #400
I tried to Google about whether renal failure can be caused by a virus (cold? Pneumonia?) gone bad and got bogged in medical terminology. Perhaps someone with more patience than I have can follow up. But I did get the sense that it could develop quickly. We know that Covid-19 can do a number on many body systems, so why not another virus?

Evanna had pneumonia...which was not treated....which led to kidney failure, which can happen with children and the elderly.
It is not known to me if her pneumonia was viral, bacterial or fungus related. But pneumonia can progress to sepsis, or infection of the blood and body systems. Her kidneys were affected by the pneumonia, causing acute renal failure
 
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