GUILTY NY - Garnett Spears, 5, dies of salt poisoning, Chestnut Ridge, 23 Jan 2014

  • #181
Feeding tubes must have either a syringe or feeding bag attached in order to deliver food/ fluid into them. A five year old could not just pour salt into one. Geez- I care for a homecare little guy- and I couldn't just pour salt into it.

Nice try- but it ain's gonna fly!
 
  • #182
  • #183
From the above linked article:

Spears said "she used very little salt in the preparation of the victim's food and only used Himalayan salt,"

She said she "used a pinch of salt for flavor when feeding the victim blended fruits and vegetables through his GI feeding tube."

She said that this was a mixture she learned of from a friend in Florida.

Umm, correct me if I am wrong but there are no taste buds involved when feeding with a GI tube. Thus there is no reason to add a "pinch of salt"

What a vile creature, to torture that child that way thru years of making him ill and then blaming HIM for his death. I would not be sad to see her get the death penalty and to get a GI tube full of salt. Yeah I know, it ain't gonna happen but she is so deserving.
Bingo! Anything inserted through a G-tube will never be tasted. She's either a liar or ignorant of how anatomy works. The G-tube goes directed into the stomach. Taste buds are on your tongue.
Also, what difference does it make if it's Himalayan salt???
 
  • #184
Bringing this post over from another thread: ok what's with this? She is now BLAMING GARNETT?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...ef=mostpopular

Wow LinasK I am disgusted, infuriated, and a few more things I can't even say without risking a TO :silenced:

(snip)

The Journal News reports that Lacey Spears told prosecutors her son, Garnett, could have put sodium chloride into his own feeding tube and that might have been what killed him in January at a hospital in Valhalla.

:stormingmad:




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  • #185
Feeding tubes must have either a syringe or feeding bag attached in order to deliver food/ fluid into them. A five year old could not just pour salt into one. Geez- I care for a homecare little guy- and I couldn't just pour salt into it.

Nice try- but it ain's gonna fly!

Not only that, but from news reports pieced together on the lohud site, Garnett had that feeding tube placed as an infant, somewhere around 9 months old, IIRC. Think about the diameter of tube that would have been placed in a 9 month old.

There have been no other docs located who placed, or replaced Garnett's feeding tube. If it actually was the original tube, it's actually pretty amazing it was still functional 5 years later, right? I'd say that tube got a lot of attention from mom to keep it in good functional condition. JMO.

And as we all discussed a while back, obviously this mom was adept at flying under the radar, avoiding any situation where providers may have questioned the *continued* need for the tube. I think she also knew exactly how to get new bags and other equipment when she needed it, without the process of submitting Garnett for evaluation to see if he still needed the tube.

Easy enough to show up at a new clinic as a new patient, and say "his previous doctor ordered it, and I'm new in town, moved from out of state, and by the way, I am running low on supplies, so could you help me get some?" Of course the staff would help a young single mom with a disabled child, new in town with no health insurance. They would at least make sure she had an interim prescription for supplies, or give her donated supplies for the short term. Then maybe she doesn't show up again at all, or not for a long time. Doctor shopping. The supplies aren't controlled substances, like narcotics, so it's easy to fly under the radar for something like that. IMO.
 
  • #186
From the above linked article:

Spears said "she used very little salt in the preparation of the victim's food and only used Himalayan salt,"

She said she "used a pinch of salt for flavor when feeding the victim blended fruits and vegetables through his GI feeding tube."

She said that this was a mixture she learned of from a friend in Florida.

Umm, correct me if I am wrong but there are no taste buds involved when feeding with a GI tube. Thus there is no reason to add a "pinch of salt"

What a vile creature, to torture that child that way thru years of making him ill and then blaming HIM for his death. I would not be sad to see her get the death penalty and to get a GI tube full of salt. Yeah I know, it ain't gonna happen but she is so deserving.

I agree, but (sadly, IMO), Lacey isn't eligible for the DP. She's charged with second degree murder and manslaughter. I was really mad about that at first, since it seems a clear cut case of first degree premeditation. Then I researched the outcomes of similar cases (Hannah Overton, etc). The medical child abuse cases charged with second degree murder are easier to get a conviction that sticks thru the appeal process.

I do think this will go to trial, despite having a great defense attorney (Davis Sachs). She is looking at decades of prison time. I think she will be convicted. Wish she was facing a life sentence, but I'll take a conviction on second degree, and a few decades for sentence, over an acquittal on first degree.

I don't trust the jury demographics in these high profile cases. There are too many people who wouldn't vote to convict on first degree without a close up, high definition video of Lacey infusing the salt solution into Garnett's g-tube, right before he died. IMO, of course. Charging with second degree allows some bleeding heart on the eventual jury to vote to convict, while still holding the ridiculous belief that she didn't *really* mean to hurt or kill him. Prevents a hung jury. I hope, anyway.
 
  • #187
Not only that, but from news reports pieced together on the lohud site, Garnett had that feeding tube placed as an infant, somewhere around 9 months old, IIRC. Think about the diameter of tube that would have been placed in a 9 month old.

There have been no other docs located who placed, or replaced Garnett's feeding tube. If it actually was the original tube, it's actually pretty amazing it was still functional 5 years later, right? I'd say that tube got a lot of attention from mom to keep it in good functional condition. JMO.

And as we all discussed a while back, obviously this mom was adept at flying under the radar, avoiding any situation where providers may have questioned the *continued* need for the tube. I think she also knew exactly how to get new bags and other equipment when she needed it, without the process of submitting Garnett for evaluation to see if he still needed the tube.

Easy enough to show up at a new clinic as a new patient, and say "his previous doctor ordered it, and I'm new in town, moved from out of state, and by the way, I am running low on supplies, so could you help me get some?" Of course the staff would help a young single mom with a disabled child, new in town with no health insurance. They would at least make sure she had an interim prescription for supplies, or give her donated supplies for the short term. Then maybe she doesn't show up again at all, or not for a long time. Doctor shopping. The supplies aren't controlled substances, like narcotics, so it's easy to fly under the radar for something like that. IMO.

BBM:
If it was a Mic-key device (the most commonly used one) they are changed out- usually by the parent- every three months.

And as far as supplies- there is a vast network of parents of special needs children who over-ride the ridiculous MESS the Medicaid program has made of supplying these medical equipment needs. Case in point- a mom I know prepares a 'blended diet' for her child using fresh foods she prepares daily, in place of formulas (whose first ingredient is usually corn syrup) for his daily tube feedings. Medicaid, for many, many months- through her DME supplier- sent her hundreds of cans of Pediasure each and every month. She asked them to stop. She tried to return them. Still, they sent cases upon cases of Pediasure. Soooo, she found another mom online who needed Pediasure for HER child for tube feedings, but had a bunch of un-needed vent supplies that MY mom needed and could not seem to get. Presto-chango, everyone has what they need.
 
  • #188
Bringing this post over from another thread: ok what's with this? She is now BLAMING GARNETT?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...ef=mostpopular

Jaw dropping chutzpah, right?

So, Lacey wants us to believe that in between vomiting, severe malaise, and seizures, while in the hospital, this child somehow located himself a large supply of salt, hid it from his mother and the staff, and dissolved it and infused it into his feeding tube....while on surveillance video, and with mom at the bedside 24/7. Never mind the child wasn't strong enough in the days before he died to even walk to the bathroom. There he was, malingering, playing, or self-harming with salt in his g-tube. :facepalm:

And Lacey thinks there are people stupid enough to buy this kind of story?
 
  • #189
I so want to hurt her!
 
  • #190
Jaw dropping chutzpah, right?

So, Lacey wants us to believe that in between vomiting, severe malaise, and seizures, while in the hospital, this child somehow located himself a large supply of salt, hid it from his mother and the staff, and dissolved it and infused it into his feeding tube....while on surveillance video, and with mom at the bedside 24/7. Never mind the child wasn't strong enough in the days before he died to even walk to the bathroom. There he was, malingering, playing, or self-harming with salt in his g-tube. :facepalm:

And Lacey thinks there are people stupid enough to buy this kind of story?

Well, she thinks we're stupid enough to believe he tasted Himalayan salt put through his G-tube!
 
  • #191
Not sure if I've ever seen this posted here. I'm actually surprised it's still up in the web. It's Lacey's blog, from 2012. Notice all the writing about missing "Blake", the fictitious husband and dad. I'm pretty sure this is ok to post, as the child is dead and the blog hasn't been updated in more than 2 years. I'm sure so e have seen it already, but I hadn't. It's interesting, in light of all we know now.

http://garnettsjourney.blogspot.com
 
  • #192
Not sure if I've ever seen this posted here. I'm actually surprised it's still up in the web. It's Lacey's blog, from 2012. Notice all the writing about missing "Blake", the fictitious husband and dad. I'm pretty sure this is ok to post, as the child is dead and the blog hasn't been updated in more than 2 years. I'm sure so e have seen it already, but I hadn't. It's interesting, in light of all we know now.

http://garnettsjourney.blogspot.com

Nauseating how she boldfaced looked Garnett in the eyes and lied to him about his father, who is alive and didn't know about him I've read. At least she puts up pictures that Garnett did have some happy moments in his life,but the pictures with his hair up in a high ponytail make him look like a little girl, IMO. I wonder if she was secretly resentful that she didn't have a girl. I also caught several grammatical mistakes, she doesn't seem well-educated.
 
  • #193
Just noticed that there is a pic of Garnett's g-tube on the blog link above, about halfway down. He appears to be about 2 or 3 years old, and is wearing a blue or purple pull up, a yellow necklace, and he is standing facing the camera, shirtless. He's holding something that looks like an empty peanut butter jar. The g-tube does appear to be the low profile mic-key button meanmaryjean talked about.

http://www.mic-key.com/mic-keystar.aspx

Poor kid. He was really a cutie, even with the girly ponytail. Makes me so mad, what Lacey did to him. They should make her wallpaper her cell walls AND ceiling with Garnett's pictures, to remind her every single second what she did to that beautiful child. IMO.

I also wonder what happened to the Doxie dog, "Owie"? Anyone else notice that Lacey wrote that Owie "journeyed onward"-- same exact words she posted moment after Garnett died.
 
  • #194
Just noticed that there is a pic of Garnett's g-tube on the blog link above, about halfway down. He appears to be about 2 or 3 years old, and is wearing a blue or purple pull up, a yellow necklace, and he is standing facing the camera, shirtless. He's holding something that looks like an empty peanut butter jar. The g-tube does appear to be the low profile mic-key button meanmaryjean talked about.

http://www.mic-key.com/mic-keystar.aspx

Poor kid. He was really a cutie, even with the girly ponytail. Makes me so mad, what Lacey did to him. They should make her wallpaper her cell walls AND ceiling with Garnett's pictures, to remind her every single second what she did to that beautiful child. IMO.

I also wonder what happened to the Doxie dog, "Owie"? Anyone else notice that Lacey wrote that Owie "journeyed onward"-- same exact words she posted moment after Garnett died.
I saw that! Bet she killed the dog.
Also, the way he looked with the peanut butter jar, there's no way this boy wasn't taking in enough calories by mouth!!! It was all an excuse to sicken him.
 
  • #195
This one hits home a little too hard for me. Having had a child who was ill most of his toddler & preschool life, this woman angers me to no end. Throw the book at her.
 
  • #196
Lacey Spears appeared in court today. The judge denied the request to dismiss the charges, and denied nearly all of the requests by the defense. The case is to be assigned to a trial judge October 23.

I noted that another piece of evidence info came out today-- Lacey apparently has a number of searches on her laptop and/or phone related to the effects of too much sodium in children. Now that will be very interesting to hear more about, such as the timing of the searches related to the hospitalizations, etc.


http://www.lohud.com/videos/news/crime/2014/10/15/17305085/

http://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2014/10/15/lacey-spears-appears-court/17301321/

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10...r-lacey-spears-appears-in-white-plains-court/
 
  • #197
  • #198
a big fat smackdown. :)
 
  • #199
a big fat smackdown. :)

Yes, I agree. Pretty clear. No beating around the bush or vague language. And I think the attorneys for Lacey knew that even before they filed the omnibus "dismiss everything" request. They know how the game is played. There will be a couple other requests to have the case and charges dismissed along this path to justice for Garnett, IMO.

This is a hard case for the attorneys. A mother intentionally poisoning her kid, and lying all over the internet about pretty much everything, coupled with the death of the child, and the overwhelming evidence, will be a tough hole to climb out of. They are just going to try for damage control, IMO. Get the lightest sentence they can. Acquittal just doesn't seem a possibility, IMO. As long as the case doesn't go too high profile, I think she will be easily convicted. If it gets too high profile, all bets are off because of the jury demographics in high profile cases, IMO.
 
  • #200
Lacey Spears appeared in court today. The judge denied the request to dismiss the charges, and denied nearly all of the requests by the defense. The case is to be assigned to a trial judge October 23.

I noted that another piece of evidence info came out today-- Lacey apparently has a number of searches on her laptop and/or phone related to the effects of too much sodium in children. Now that will be very interesting to hear more about, such as the timing of the searches related to the hospitalizations, etc.


http://www.lohud.com/videos/news/crime/2014/10/15/17305085/

http://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2014/10/15/lacey-spears-appears-court/17301321/

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10...r-lacey-spears-appears-in-white-plains-court/

From your third link:

Her appearance wasn’t required, but she apparently insisted.
“She always wants to appear,” defense lawyer David Sachs said.


Quite telling about her ongoing need for attention, eh?
 

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