NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, July 2020 #2

[Dotta]

He is accused of "victim shaming" and she is accusing him of "rape." The court of public opinion has already delivered the verdict of "guilty." I'm curious what the courts have to say.

Me too

 

[Kemug]

Is he going to stand on Royal Balcony and wave to the crowds?
Asking for a friend.

I very much doubt it.

 

[Dotta]

I very much doubt it.

 

[Dontknow?]

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports

Assistant U.S. Attorney Alison Moe for the government. Bobbi Sternheim for the defense. U.S. District Judge Alison Nathan presides, and she says the purpose of the conference is to address the motions in limine, i.e. exclude evidence. She notes she ordered the motions public.

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports

Judge Nathan will EXCLUDE evidence of the non-prosecution agreement, which was part of Epstein's plea deal in Florida. She previously ruled the NPA doesn't shield Maxwell.

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports

Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyers wanted to talk to the jury about Miami Herald coverage, statements by then-AG Bill Barr, "and the like," the judge says. Judge Nathan rejects that. "For purposes of the jury, 'the government is not on trial,'" Nathan reminds the defense.

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports

Judge Nathan DENIES evidence and arguments that media coverage drove the government's investigation: "The court finds that this specific proffered evidence is irrelevant to the charged conduct and is therefore inadmissible."

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports

Replying to
@KlasfeldReports
For those keeping score, Ghislaine Maxwell has been losing on her pre-trial motions to exclude and on her challenges to their limine motions.

 

[otto]

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports

Judge Nathan will EXCLUDE evidence of the non-prosecution agreement, which was part of Epstein's plea deal in Florida. She previously ruled the NPA doesn't shield Maxwell.

Interesting that the 2009 agreement does not apply to Maxwell. It did apply to Dershowitz. I'm curious whether it applies to Prince Andrew.

"Almost simultaneously with the voluntary dismissal of Professor Dershowitz, Giuffre initiated the instant action against Prince Andrew. Because Prince Andrew also falls within the specific categories of individuals who in the Epstein Action – i.e., “royalty” – the Court must dismiss her claims here in light of the plain language of the Release Agreement." (from affidavit)
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Link to affidavit upthread

 

[Dontknow?]

Elizabeth Rosner

@elizameryl

Judge Alison Nathan denied Ghislaine Maxwell’s bid to “preclude reference to the accusers as ‘victims’ or ‘minor victims.'” https://nypost.com/2021/11/01/ghislaine-maxwells-accusers-can-remain-anonymous-at-trial/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons… via
@nypost

 

[otto]

Elizabeth Rosner

@elizameryl

Judge Alison Nathan denied Ghislaine Maxwell’s bid to “preclude reference to the accusers as ‘victims’ or ‘minor victims.'” https://nypost.com/2021/11/01/ghislaine-maxwells-accusers-can-remain-anonymous-at-trial/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons… via
@nypost

Interesting. It's a bit like a snake eating its' tail. The accusers are victims if and only if Maxwell is convicted, yet they will be referred to as victims prior to conviction. The language of "victims" more or less presumes guilt.

 

[Dotta]

Interesting. It's a bit like a snake eating its' tail. The accusers are victims if and only if Maxwell is convicted, yet they will be referred to as victims prior to conviction. The language of "victims" more or less presumes guilt.

A victim is a person harmed.
So...
If they accuse they feel victimised, no?

 

[otto]

A victim is a person harmed.
So...
If they accuse they feel victimised, no?

True. I'm suddenly curious whether the term "victim" is used in all trials to describe the person who has been allegedly wronged.

 

[Dotta]

True. I'm suddenly curious whether the term "victim" is used in all trials to describe the person who has been allegedly wronged.

Hmmm, if you mean a victim of defamation, well, I don't think it applies here.
But who knows?

 

[Legally Bland]

Interesting that the 2009 agreement does not apply to Maxwell. It did apply to Dershowitz. I'm curious whether it applies to Prince Andrew.

"Almost simultaneously with the voluntary dismissal of Professor Dershowitz, Giuffre initiated the instant action against Prince Andrew. Because Prince Andrew also falls within the specific categories of individuals who in the Epstein Action – i.e., “royalty” – the Court must dismiss her claims here in light of the plain language of the Release Agreement." (from affidavit)
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Link to affidavit upthread

I believe the NPA is from Epstein's 2008 criminal conviction. The release agreement is from a civil case Giuffre v Epstein 2009.

But the dismissal of the battery count against Dershowitz is being misrepresented by Dershowitz. From the court filing:

4. This stipulation is the result of a compromise and shall not at any time, or for any
purpose, be construed as an admission by either party of the validity or invalidity of Plaintiff’s
battery claim or Defendant’s release defense, or the truth or falsity of the factual predicates thereto.​

Docket attached.

Stipulation and Order of Dismissal – #331 in Giuffre v. Dershowitz (S.D.N.Y., 1:19-cv-03377) – CourtListener.com

 

[Legally Bland]

For clarity this is what Dershowitz has claimed:

“The same reasons for dismissing the case against me seem to apply to Prince Andrew,” Dershowitz told the Manhattan court this week. “These documents should get the charges against Prince Andrew thrown out.”​

https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/worl...-playing-hide-and-seek-sexual-assault-lawsuit

 

[Dontknow?]

Graying Ghislaine Maxwell appears at pretrial hearing in blue prison jumpsuit as judge REJECTS her bid to ban the term 'victim' and include evidence suggesting sex trafficking case is 'political'

• Ghislaine Maxwell appeared at a pretrial hearing at federal court in New York Monday ahead of jury selection
• Judge Alison Nathan rejected a series of motions filed by the defense requesting certain evidence to be included or excluded from trial
• She ruled that any evidence suggesting Maxwell's case was brought for 'political' reasons could not be introduced in front of the jury
• The judge also said victims will be allowed to testify using pseudonyms, which Maxwell's legal team had opposed
• The British socialite, 59, scored one victory when Nathan ruled to exclude emails that showed her arranging massages for women over the age of consent
• Hearing comes weeks after defense attorneys' unsuccessful attempt to block the public and news media from jury selection
• Jury selection will begin November 15 with the trial scheduled to commence November 29 in New York

Ghislaine Maxwell appears at pretrial hearing as judge REJECTS series of motions | Daily Mail Online

 

[Legally Bland]

I didn't realise there is a thread for Prince Andrew and VRG, started back in 2015.

UK's Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship

 

[sds71]

Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer says the alleged child sex trafficker's treatment in jail 'rivals scenes of Hannibal Lecter's incarceration in the movie Silence of the Lambs' as jury selection for her long-awaited trial starts today.

Bobbi Sternheim demanded her client be released from jail before the trial gets properly underway on November 29, saying Maxwell has been subjected to horrific treatment and sexual abuse by guards.

Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer says her treatment in New York jail 'rivals scenes of Hannibal Lecter' | Daily Mail Online

 

[Gigiky]

I'm so torn over this case. Not that I think GM is innocent, far from it, but if she is sitting in a jail cell waiting to be found guilty or innocent then shouldn't there be other people that were involved sitting in jail waiting to find out what their fate will be? Why are they allowed to be free?

 

[Via Marple]

I'm so torn over this case. Not that I think GM is innocent, far from it, but if she is sitting in a jail cell waiting to be found guilty or innocent then shouldn't there be other people that were involved sitting in jail waiting to find out what their fate will be? Why are they allowed to be free?

Because she is a flight risk?

 

[tayaway]

I'm so torn over this case. Not that I think GM is innocent, far from it, but if she is sitting in a jail cell waiting to be found guilty or innocent then shouldn't there be other people that were involved sitting in jail waiting to find out what their fate will be? Why are they allowed to be free?

What? All prisoners housed at MCC specifically were either awaiting trial or transfer to another institution. There are plenty of prisoners across the US, and, in fact, across the world, that are held without bail until trial.

 

[Dotta]

Ghislaine Maxwell proposes calling psychologist who testified at Weinstein trial | Daily Mail Online

Clutching at straws?

 

[Chelly]

Ghislaine Maxwell proposes calling psychologist who testified at Weinstein trial | Daily Mail Online

Clutching at straws?

Expert-paid -witness who charges defense teams $500/hr.

Elizabeth Loftus has testified for Harvey Weinstein and Jerry Sandusky.
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