NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, July 2020 #2

[Speculaytor]

Anyone know why this story has been buried in the news? WHY are the MSM not talking about this, the biggest crime against children that has been uncovered in the US by far? It should be in all news media EVERY day. It is VERY revealing that it is not. What else is going on in this country behind the closed doors of the wealthy and powerful?

 

[Legally Bland]

Scotland Yard has spoken to the woman who claims she was raped and sexually assaulted by the Duke of York on three occasions when she was 17.

Officers are understood to have contacted Virginia Giuffre about her allegations after Dame Cressida Dick, the Metropolitan Police commissioner, said in August that “no one is above the law”.

The development could pave the way for the Met to open a criminal investigation of Giuffre’s claims, which Prince Andrew has always strenuously denied.

Met officers quiz Prince Andrew’s sex accuser Virginia Giuffre | News | The Sunday Times

 

[otto]

Scotland Yard began the investigation in August. It looks like Prince Andrew has been cleared of sex abuse in the UK.

"Scotland Yard has abandoned its review of sex abuse allegations surrounding Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein, it was revealed tonight.

After its officers reportedly spoke with accuser Virginia Roberts, the force has decided to take no further action over her allegation that she was trafficked to London as a 17-year-old and forced to have sex with Andrew.

Scotland Yard has also decided to take no further action over claims that billionaire financier Epstein groomed and abused other young women in Britain."
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Met Police DROPS investigation into Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online

 

[UK Girl]

In reply to the logic,

• If there's a photo of her walking in or out with the prince, then she must have been there
• There is no photo of her walking in or out with the prince, therefore she wasn't there

See Denying the Antecedent
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The point being the Paps are packed outside these places. There are many photos of him with women and yet..not with her inside or outside of the club. Dont get me wrong I do not like Andrew and I seriously hope he never returns to Royal Life but...there are things I dont understand about all this. Some things I have read....are obviously not true ( Not on here I dont mean) ...and yes I believe he had sex with her....and ugh I think hes a lieing idiot...what I dont know...is...much he actually knew although...he knew what Epstein had been charged with so...

 

[UK Girl]

Scotland Yard began the investigation in August. It looks like Prince Andrew has been cleared of sex abuse in the UK.

"Scotland Yard has abandoned its review of sex abuse allegations surrounding Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein, it was revealed tonight.

After its officers reportedly spoke with accuser Virginia Roberts, the force has decided to take no further action over her allegation that she was trafficked to London as a 17-year-old and forced to have sex with Andrew.

Scotland Yard has also decided to take no further action over claims that billionaire financier Epstein groomed and abused other young women in Britain."
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Met Police DROPS investigation into Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online

It does say though that "Scotland Yard said it 'continues to liaise with other law enforcement agencies who lead the investigation into matters related to Jeffrey Epstein'. ....so in theory they could Cooperate with the FBI just not take action themselves

 

[otto]

It does say though that "Scotland Yard said it 'continues to liaise with other law enforcement agencies who lead the investigation into matters related to Jeffrey Epstein'. ....so in theory they could Cooperate with the FBI just not take action themselves

There are still allegations of sexual abuse in New York and Little St James Island. My understanding, at this time, is that Scotland Yard investigated the allegations in their jurisdiction and concluded that no further action is required. There must be allegations that women who worked for Epstein recruited girls in the UK as well, because the article also states that no further action is required into that either.

I'm sure that Scotland Yard will share the results of their investigation with the FBI. Police investigated and closed the file. That suggests to me that there is insufficient evidence to proceed.

 

[UK Girl]

There are still allegations of sexual abuse in New York and Little St James Island. My understanding, at this time, is that Scotland Yard investigated the allegations in their jurisdiction and concluded that no further action is required. There must be allegations that women who worked for Epstein recruited girls in the UK as well, because the article also states that no further action is required into that either.

I'm sure that Scotland Yard will share the results of their investigation with the FBI. Police investigated and closed the file. That suggests to me that there is insufficient evidence to proceed.

I agree about Ny and the Island but...I guess that would come under the American case. As sleazy as he may be the age of consent is 16 here ...the point would be I guess if she could convince the Police that it was against her consent. I am not necessarily a fan of our police at the moment after the Everard case but...after that and with the international Press on this and people thinking he is getting away with it because of who he is....and Cressida Dick saying no one is above the law you would hope that it was looked at properly....and with that in mind...I agree with what you said that it suggests there is insufficient evidence to proceed.

 

[Dotta]

I always thought that the age of consent meant that a minor (above 16 or whatever age but below 18) can engage in
lovemaking but with a peer (no older than 5 years) like a boyfriend/girlfriend when they are in love.
So, a person cant vote, drink alcohol etc but can have sex with a person 20+ years older???? A complete stranger?

 

[tayaway]

I agree about Ny and the Island but...I guess that would come under the American case. As sleazy as he may be the age of consent is 16 here ...the point would be I guess if she could convince the Police that it was against her consent. I am not necessarily a fan of our police at the moment after the Everard case but...after that and with the international Press on this and people thinking he is getting away with it because of who he is....and Cressida Dick saying no one is above the law you would hope that it was looked at properly....and with that in mind...I agree with what you said that it suggests there is insufficient evidence to proceed.

Given the prince's powerful status in the UK, it's amazing that the Met even humored the case let alone went through the motions. They refused to consider it before. They provide his security detail and don't keep records beyond a couple years, as one officer who made a complaint against PA found out. I'd take the Met's conclusion here with a grain of salt. CD needs to change her statement to: royalty and LE are above the law until there's enough public pressure shining a light on them. Some of WC's friends and colleagues were well aware that WC displayed inappropriate behaviors, both in the workplace, and out among the public, towards women. Coworkers even nicknamed him 'the rapist'.

I'm not privy to what happened when JE pimped out VRG in the UK, but I do know that the law is a two-tiered system; one for the upper crust and people in positions of power, and one for the rest of us. Don't worry though, if you're an average Jane, and there's a lone male cop headed your way (or a prince giving your billionaire pimp the nod), you can always try flagging down a bus.

...PA gal pal and socialite, Ghislaine Maxwell, currently in custody under American law (how did this happen??), maintains her status in the upper UK tier, as the Met also announced that "it would take no action over allegations, first reported by Channel 4 News, that Epstein's alleged accomplice, Ghislaine Maxwell, trafficked, groomed and abused women and girls in the U.K."

 

[Estelle]

I always thought that the age of consent meant that a minor (above 16 or whatever age but below 18) can engage in
lovemaking but with a peer (no older than 5 years) like a boyfrind/girlfriend.
So, a person cant vote, drink alcohol etc but can have sex with a person 20+ years older????

Dotta, could you please give us the link to the partner having to be no older than 5 years? I have never heard of it.

I predicted VG would not have a case in the UK where the age of consent is 16yo.

In each UK nation, the age of consent (the legal age when people can engage in sexual activity) is 16-years-old. This is the same regardless of the person's gender identity, sexual identity and whether the sexual activity is between people of the same or different gender.

The law says that 16 and 17 year olds can legally have sex but, as they are legally children, they are given more protection in law. It is illegal for an adult in a position of trust or responsibility to have sex with a 16 or 17 year old.

I take that to mean a teacher, sports trainer, employer or religious leader but it would not apply to PA.

 

[tayaway]

I always thought that the age of consent meant that a minor (above 16 or whatever age but below 18) can engage in
lovemaking but with a peer (no older than 5 years) like a boyfriend/girlfriend when they are in love.
So, a person cant vote, drink alcohol etc but can have sex with a person 20+ years older???? A complete stranger?

You would think, but no, it depends on the country:

Many countries, states, or territories also have "close-in-age" exemptions, commonly called "Romeo and Juliet" clauses. These laws can remove legal liability when all participants in a sex act are underaged (for example, two 16-year-olds). In areas that do not have close-in-age exemptions, it is possible for a person who is under the age of consent to be held liable for engaging in sexual activity with another underaged person. For example: If a country has no Romeo and Juliet clause and its age of consent of 16, two 15-year-olds who willingly have sex with one another could both be prosecuted for statutory rape.

Age of Consent in the United Kingdom
The age of consent in the United Kingdom (England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland) is 16 years old. Moreover, the UK's territories all have their own local age of consent laws. However, at present, all of these territories also set the age of consent at 16.

The United Kingdom does not have close-in-age exemptions. Two individuals under the age of consent can be prosecuted for engaging in sexual activity.

Age of Consent in the United States
The age of consent in the United States varies from 16 to 18 years old depending on the state. Sexual activity with a partner under the age of consent in that jurisdiction is considered statutory rape. In some jurisdictions, sexual activity between all-underaged participants can also be regarded as statutory rape.

Thirty-one states set the age of consent as 16, eight set it as 17, and eleven set it as 18.

Twenty-six states have "Romeo and Juliet" laws, or close-in-age laws, legalizing sexual activity between underaged participants if they are close enough to one another in age. The maximum age gaps in these laws vary by state.

For example, in Colorado, the age of consent is 17 years old, but those younger than 15 may consent to a partner who is less than four years older, and those aged 15 or 16 may consent to a partner who is up to 10 years older.

By comparison, Arizona law sets the age of consent at 18, but allows teens aged 15-17 to consent to sex with partners who are no more than 24 months older.

 

[UK Girl]

I always thought that the age of consent meant that a minor (above 16 or whatever age but below 18) can engage in
lovemaking but with a peer (no older than 5 years) like a boyfriend/girlfriend when they are in love.
So, a person cant vote, drink alcohol etc but can have sex with a person 20+ years older???? A complete stranger?

In this country a 16 year old can legally have sex with anyone as long as they are not in a position of responsibility,,,

 

[Estelle]

Australia has the same rules as the UK.

It's all very confusing in the US with states having different laws.

 

[Dotta]

You would think, but no, it depends on the country:

Many countries, states, or territories also have "close-in-age" exemptions, commonly called "Romeo and Juliet" clauses. These laws can remove legal liability when all participants in a sex act are underaged (for example, two 16-year-olds). In areas that do not have close-in-age exemptions, it is possible for a person who is under the age of consent to be held liable for engaging in sexual activity with another underaged person. For example: If a country has no Romeo and Juliet clause and its age of consent of 16, two 15-year-olds who willingly have sex with one another could both be prosecuted for statutory rape.

Age of Consent in the United Kingdom
The age of consent in the United Kingdom (England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland) is 16 years old. Moreover, the UK's territories all have their own local age of consent laws. However, at present, all of these territories also set the age of consent at 16.

The United Kingdom does not have close-in-age exemptions. Two individuals under the age of consent can be prosecuted for engaging in sexual activity.

Age of Consent in the United States
The age of consent in the United States varies from 16 to 18 years old depending on the state. Sexual activity with a partner under the age of consent in that jurisdiction is considered statutory rape. In some jurisdictions, sexual activity between all-underaged participants can also be regarded as statutory rape.

Thirty-one states set the age of consent as 16, eight set it as 17, and eleven set it as 18.

Twenty-six states have "Romeo and Juliet" laws, or close-in-age laws, legalizing sexual activity between underaged participants if they are close enough to one another in age. The maximum age gaps in these laws vary by state.

For example, in Colorado, the age of consent is 17 years old, but those younger than 15 may consent to a partner who is less than four years older, and those aged 15 or 16 may consent to a partner who is up to 10 years older.

By comparison, Arizona law sets the age of consent at 18, but allows teens aged 15-17 to consent to sex with partners who are no more than 24 months older.

Romeo and Juliet Law!
Exactly!

 

[UK Girl]

Given the prince's powerful status in the UK, it's amazing that the Met even humored the case let alone went through the motions. They refused to consider it before. They provide his security detail and don't keep records beyond a couple years, as one officer who made a complaint against PA found out. I'd take the Met's conclusion here with a grain of salt. CD needs to change her statement to: royalty and LE are above the law until there's enough public pressure shining a light on them. Some of WC's friends and colleagues were well aware that WC displayed inappropriate behaviors, both in the workplace, and out among the public, towards women. Coworkers even nicknamed him 'the rapist'.

I'm not privy to what happened when JE pimped out VRG in the UK, but I do know that the law is a two-tiered system; one for the upper crust and people in positions of power, and one for the rest of us. Don't worry though, if you're an average Jane, and there's a lone male cop headed your way (or a prince giving your billionaire pimp the nod), you can always try flagging down a bus.

...PA gal pal and socialite, Ghislaine Maxwell, currently in custody under American law (how did this happen??), maintains her status in the upper UK tier, as the Met also announced that "it would take no action over allegations, first reported by Channel 4 News, that Epstein's alleged accomplice, Ghislaine Maxwell, trafficked, groomed and abused women and girls in the U.K."

you say that and yet his sister had to go to court so she certainly wasnt above the law

I also wouldnt say Maxwell maintained her position in the UK upper tier...she is finished here.

Andrew hasnt even faced legal charges in America...the CPS will only prosecute if theres a reasonable chance of success and given who it was even more so.. in this country I dont think there was given the age of consent for one ... but i agree about flagging the bus down where I live they stop after around sixish....or go in peoples houses they said..yeah well most have their doors locked for one thing

 

[Dotta]

Prince Andrew is seen for first time after Met Police DROPPED probe | Daily Mail Online

 

[tayaway]

you say that and yet his sister had to go to court so she certainly wasnt above the law

I also wouldnt say Maxwell maintained her position in the UK upper tier...she is finished here.

Andrew hasnt even faced legal charges in America...the CPS will only prosecute if theres a reasonable chance of success and given who it was even more so.. in this country I dont think there was given the age of consent for one ... but i agree about flagging the bus down where I live they stop after around sixish....or go in peoples houses they said..yeah well most have their doors locked for one thing

It happened in a park -lots of witnesses? so again, it goes back to elites being held accountable when there's enough public attention, and, she chose to plead guilty. In the end, while the princess, as the first royal to be criminally charged, got off lightly, with a fine and ordered to pay costs. Even though her dog bit not one, but two kids, the dog got to live:

The Princess Royal today [Nov 21, 2002] became the first member of the royal family to be convicted of a criminal offence as she pleaded guilty to a charge under the dangerous dogs act. ...The penalties available for the offence allowed for a fine up to £5,000, six months in jail and the destruction of the dog.

Sorry, I meant GM's legal status - the Met is not going to investigate her for alleged crimes.

Yes, officers, I broke into this stranger's house, to get away from a lone male officer that tried to arrest me for walking down the sidewalk by myself during covid.

 

[UK Girl]

It happened in a park -lots of witnesses? so again, it goes back to elites being held accountable when there's enough public attention, and, she chose to plead guilty. In the end, while the princess, as the first royal to be criminally charged, got off lightly, with a fine and ordered to pay costs. Even though her dog bit not one, but two kids, the dog got to live:

The Princess Royal today [Nov 21, 2002] became the first member of the royal family to be convicted of a criminal offence as she pleaded guilty to a charge under the dangerous dogs act. ...The penalties available for the offence allowed for a fine up to £5,000, six months in jail and the destruction of the dog.

Sorry, I meant GM's legal status - the Met is not going to investigate her for alleged crimes.

Yes, officers, I broke into this stranger's house, to get away from a lone male officer that tried to arrest me for walking down the sidewalk by myself during covid.

Ugh the issue was....we wasnt meant to be going to our friends etc .....just going to work and having our exercise but....its come out now one of his superiors is also facing charges. I have a cousin who is a cop....he does everything he can to help people...and i just feel sorry for the cops that try and do the right thing but are basically being thrown under the bus by the bad ones

 

[Dotta]

It happened in a park -lots of witnesses? so again, it goes back to elites being held accountable when there's enough public attention, and, she chose to plead guilty. In the end, while the princess, as the first royal to be criminally charged, got off lightly, with a fine and ordered to pay costs. Even though her dog bit not one, but two kids, the dog got to live:

The Princess Royal today [Nov 21, 2002] became the first member of the royal family to be convicted of a criminal offence as she pleaded guilty to a charge under the dangerous dogs act. ...The penalties available for the offence allowed for a fine up to £5,000, six months in jail and the destruction of the dog.

Sorry, I meant GM's legal status - the Met is not going to investigate her for alleged crimes.

Yes, officers, I broke into this stranger's house, to get away from a lone male officer that tried to arrest me for walking down the sidewalk by myself during covid.

Bitten by a dog in the park?
How scary!
Dogs in my country must be muzzled and on lead when in public places.
The fines are really high.

 

[UK Girl]

It happened in a park -lots of witnesses? so again, it goes back to elites being held accountable when there's enough public attention, and, she chose to plead guilty. In the end, while the princess, as the first royal to be criminally charged, got off lightly, with a fine and ordered to pay costs. Even though her dog bit not one, but two kids, the dog got to live:

The Princess Royal today [Nov 21, 2002] became the first member of the royal family to be convicted of a criminal offence as she pleaded guilty to a charge under the dangerous dogs act. ...The penalties available for the offence allowed for a fine up to £5,000, six months in jail and the destruction of the dog.

Sorry, I meant GM's legal status - the Met is not going to investigate her for alleged crimes.

Yes, officers, I broke into this stranger's house, to get away from a lone male officer that tried to arrest me for walking down the sidewalk by myself during covid.

to be fair though do you think shes likely to ever be released in America?