NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, July 2020 #2

[UK Girl]

Have the 8 young girls come forward to corroborate the events that allegedly took place at Epstein's Island when Giuffre was 18 years old?

"Roberts was 18 when she had her third alleged sexual encounter with the royal on Little St James Island, where she says he engaged in an orgy with nine girls, according to court docs.

Channel 4's Dispatches programme revisited evidence Ms Roberts gave a Florida court in 2015.

She said at the time: "Epstein, Andy, approximately eight other young girls and I had sex together."
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Who is Virginia Roberts Giuffre and what allegations has she made against Prince Andrew, Epstein and his 'friends'?

Andy?: and not Andrew?

 

[UK Girl]

DAN WOOTTON: Prince Andrew is a gambler willing to bet the fate of his family on beating sex scandal | Daily Mail Online

Have the 8 young girls come forward to corroborate the events that allegedly took place at Epstein's Island when Giuffre was 18 years old?

"Roberts was 18 when she had her third alleged sexual encounter with the royal on Little St James Island, where she says he engaged in an orgy with nine girls, according to court docs.

Channel 4's Dispatches programme revisited evidence Ms Roberts gave a Florida court in 2015.

She said at the time: "Epstein, Andy, approximately eight other young girls and I had sex together."
​

Who is Virginia Roberts Giuffre and what allegations has she made against Prince Andrew, Epstein and his 'friends'?

Andy?: and not Andrew?

 

[UK Girl]

DAN WOOTTON: Prince Andrew is a gambler willing to bet the fate of his family on beating sex scandal | Daily Mail Online

DAN WOOTTON: Prince Andrew is a gambler willing to bet the fate of his family on beating sex scandal | Daily Mail Online

Have the 8 young girls come forward to corroborate the events that allegedly took place at Epstein's Island when Giuffre was 18 years old?

"Roberts was 18 when she had her third alleged sexual encounter with the royal on Little St James Island, where she says he engaged in an orgy with nine girls, according to court docs.

Channel 4's Dispatches programme revisited evidence Ms Roberts gave a Florida court in 2015.

She said at the time: "Epstein, Andy, approximately eight other young girls and I had sex together."
​

Who is Virginia Roberts Giuffre and what allegations has she made against Prince Andrew, Epstein and his 'friends'?

Andy?: and not Andrew?

Wootton seems to have a vendetta against the Royals or Andrew and Harry at least.

 

[Dotta]

Andy?: and not Andrew?

Wootton seems to have a vendetta against the Royals or Andrew and Harry at least.

And who is this man? I mean Mr Wootton?
A journalist? A politician?
I ask b/c Im a foreigner and know very little about UK affairs.
But I like his text very much

 

[UK Girl]

And who is this man? I mean Mr Wootton?
A journalist? A politician?
I ask b/c Im a foreigner and know very little about UK affairs.
But I like his text very much

No until recently he was executive Editor of the Sun which is a trashy tabloid with quite a bad reputation for one thing or another. He has left that to be write columns in the Mail ( Generally about Meghan and Harry) and apparently he has a spot on GB News which is a new station over here

 

[Dotta]

No until recently he was executive Editor of the Sun which is a trashy tabloid with quite a bad reputation for one thing or another. He has left that to be write columns in the Mail ( Generally about Meghan and Harry) and apparently he has a spot on GB News which is a new station over here

Thanks!
He certainly doesnt mince words haha
I like this direct approach

 

[Vern]

Not really nowadays, it depends on the circumstances. If it's a victim of Child Sexual Exploitation there'd be a need for a defendant to reasonably believe the victim was over the age of 18.


Rape and Sexual Offences - Chapter 7: Key Legislation and Offences | The Crown Prosecution Service

A child under 18 would also be classed as a victim of child trafficking. But these laws are a couple of years too late for PA.

Human Trafficking, Smuggling and Slavery | The Crown Prosecution Service

But even in historical cases the 2003 definition of consent is given to juries.



Rape and Sexual Offences - Chapter 6: Consent | The Crown Prosecution Service



https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/publications/what_is_consent_v2.pdf

Wouldn't one have to have some physical evidence of an assault having taken place in the case of the Prince though? I mean, there's quite literally thousands of people who've been photographed with him when given opportunity to do so, so I'm not thinking that can be taken as evidence of anything nefarious in and of itself.

 

[Dotta]

Wouldn't one have to have some physical evidence of an assault having taken place in the case of the Prince though? I mean, there's quite literally thousands of people who've been photographed with him when given opportunity to do so, so I'm not thinking that can be taken as evidence of anything nefarious in and of itself.

Knowing JE/GM penchant for recording their "victims" I bet there are some very interesting tapes hidden somewhere.
I mean, werent his lodgings full of hidden cameras busily recording everything?

 

[Estelle]

One of the problems I see with any conviction is the photo that is used to prove that Giuffre met Prince Andrew. She states that she was being trafficked my Epstein, that Epstein forced her to be sexually abused by Andrew, that Andrew did sexually abuse her. Yet, we have a photo where she looks calm, relaxed and happy with Andrew. On the surface, it seems like a contradiction.

Well said. A contradiction!

 

[Vern]

Knowing JE/GM penchant for recording their "victims" I bet there are some very interesting tapes hidden somewhere.
I mean, werent his lodgings full of hidden cameras busily recording everything?

I'm sure there are recordings in existence given what we've heard thus far. But, were there any of them of PA, I'm certain the authorities wouldn't have said no further action against him was to be taken.

 

[Estelle]

Wouldn't one have to have some physical evidence of an assault having taken place in the case of the Prince though? I mean, there's quite literally thousands of people who've been photographed with him when given opportunity to do so, so I'm not thinking that can be taken as evidence of anything nefarious in and of itself.

I agree with you that VGR needs more proof other than one photo!

 

[KALI]

Ah. No offence. But what country specifically are you referring to?

Anyone know why this story has been buried in the news? WHY are the MSM not talking about this, the biggest crime against children that has been uncovered in the US by far? It should be in all news media EVERY day. It is VERY revealing that it is not. What else is going on in this country behind the closed doors of the wealthy and powerful?

Anyone know why this story has been buried in the news? WHY are the MSM not talking about this, the biggest crime against children that has been uncovered in the US by far? It should be in all news media EVERY day. It is VERY revealing that it is not. What else is going on in this country behind the closed doors of the wealthy and powerful?

 

[KALI]

I actually feel sorry for this woman. She did not murder anyone, yet she is treated as if she did.
Real murderers are treated less harsh then she is being treated. In my opinion there are powerful people bent on breaking her so she never tells what she's seen and knows. It must be pure hell to go from a life of amazing influence to your new life in a dungeon.
Are Politicians involved in her treatment to break her from exposing them?
You can get on that. IMO.

 

[otto]

I actually feel sorry for this woman. She did not murder anyone, yet she is treated as if she did.
Real murderers are treated less harsh then she is being treated. In my opinion there are powerful people bent on breaking her so she never tells what she's seen and knows. It must be pure hell to go from a life of amazing influence to your new life in a dungeon.
Are Politicians involved in her treatment to break her from exposing them?
You can get on that. IMO.

Do you mean Giuffre? or Maxwell?

 

[Vern]

I actually feel sorry for this woman. She did not murder anyone, yet she is treated as if she did.
Real murderers are treated less harsh then she is being treated. In my opinion there are powerful people bent on breaking her so she never tells what she's seen and knows. It must be pure hell to go from a life of amazing influence to your new life in a dungeon.
Are Politicians involved in her treatment to break her from exposing them?
You can get on that. IMO.

I don't feel a ounce of sympathy for her; she is responsible for untold number of human trafficking victims who will deal with the physical and psychological reprecussions of her bankrupt and criminal behaviour and "amazing influence" for the rest of their lives. She is very deserving of every ounce of scrutiny she's getting and it's got nothing to do with politics IMO.

 

[Legally Bland]

It means that there's no evidence that any crime was committed by Prince Andrew or Maxwell in the UK.

In the UK there is no obligation to prosecute even when the evidentiary threshold is met. If there is any evidence I doubt the CPS has seen it anyway.

4.10 It has never been the rule that a prosecution will automatically take place once the evidential stage is met. A prosecution will usually take place unless the prosecutor is satisfied that there are public interest factors tending against prosecution which outweigh those tending in favour.

The Code for Crown Prosecutors | The Crown Prosecution Service

It might not be that much of a gamble. Scotland Yard has determined that no action is required regarding allegations against Prince Andrew or Maxell.

The Little St James Island sexual assault allegations involve 3 adults and 8 young girls. Giuffre is one of the adults. Without corroboration from some of the 8 young girls, that allegation may fall apart too. That leaves the allegation from New York. I'm still looking for the date for that alleged offence.

Who is Virginia Roberts Giuffre and what allegations has she made against Prince Andrew, Epstein and his 'friends'?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/police-drop-prince-andrew-investigation-1.6207181

If you're suggesting the London allegation has fallen apart because the Met is taking no further action, then that is simply a logical fallacy. Assuming the Met have been diligent, they aren't even working to same burden of proof in a criminal case as VRG's civil case. It's 'beyond reasonable doubt' v 'balance of probabilities'.

 

[Legally Bland]

Wouldn't one have to have some physical evidence of an assault having taken place in the case of the Prince though? I mean, there's quite literally thousands of people who've been photographed with him when given opportunity to do so, so I'm not thinking that can be taken as evidence of anything nefarious in and of itself.

No, I don't think you need physical evidence to prove cases of historical sexual abuse, obviously it would be helpful.

I don't think we know all the evidence yet, but it clearly is more than one picture. And there aren't thousands of pictures of PA with a known sex trafficking victim and an accused sex trafficker, taken by a convicted sex trafficker, in a private residence. This isn't the same as someone grabbing a selfie with PA on a public street.

 

[Legally Bland]

I actually feel sorry for this woman. She did not murder anyone, yet she is treated as if she did.
Real murderers are treated less harsh then she is being treated. In my opinion there are powerful people bent on breaking her so she never tells what she's seen and knows. It must be pure hell to go from a life of amazing influence to your new life in a dungeon.
Are Politicians involved in her treatment to break her from exposing them?
You can get on that. IMO.

 

[Legally Bland]

A former chief superintendent slammed the Met Police for dropping its sex crime investigation into Prince Andrew.

[...]

Mr Davies, who headed the royal protection unit, said the decision was very premature, with Prince Andrew subject to a civil claim in a US court and his former friend Ghislaine Maxwell – Epstein’s lover – awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.

Mr Davies said: “There are far more questions than answers here. What have they reviewed, what have they investigated?”

Referring to Met boss Cressida Dick, he added: “What did the commissioner ask? So far she has proved herself totally incapable of making operational decisions so there is a strong case for an outside force to be brought in to independently assess all this information.”

Ex-police chief's outrage at Met's decision to drop Prince Andrew sex probe

 

[UK Girl]

Regarding Dan Woottons article btw...regardless of what Andrew does or doesnt want he was never going to be a working member of the Royal family much longer. Charles and William have made it plain they want to reduce the size of the working family to basically Charles and Camilla William and Kate and I guess would have been Harry and Meghan but never Andrew. He has long wanted his daughters to have a more prominent role which was never okayed for this reason.