Identified! NY - Harlem, BlkMale 1609UMNY, 20-30, USMC Tattoo, Jun'97 Leroy Bernard Matthews

  • #341
Want to leave what I wrote here so that anyone coming in from google can see the info. apearn has done a lot of work on his custom tattoo. I added his possible years of birth along with his possible years of service for someone not knowing the case. They may see when he was killed but it may not register what years he was born or served. I sent Doe net an update today with his NamUs dentals/ prints plus case worker.

USMC 1st force Recon John Doe is an African American male, between the ages of 20 to 30 years old, 5 feet 7 inches tall and approximately 130 pounds. He had a shaved bald head and brown eyes. He died wearing a Navy t-shirt size XL, gray cutoff sweatpants, black Levi jeans size 34/30, tan or brown cloth belt, brown plaid jacket size XL, and white Fila sneakers size 8.5. He was found electrocuted on the third rail on the southbound D train tracks at the 145th St and St. Nicholas Avenue Station June 23, 1997 in Harlem NY at 12:23am, the trains run about every 12 minutes.

EXCLUSIVE DESIGN TATTOO - He had an elaborate 1st force Recon, USMC Eagle Globe Anchor (EGA) tattoo that was an exclusive design done by a tattoo shop in Twentynine Palms California between 1994 and 1996. Research by Veteran Doe shows that he could have been part of the First Force Recon stationed in the Pacific, and if so, it is likely he went to boot camp in Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego and not Parris Island so his family/friends may be on the west coast. He likely spent time in Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton as 1st Force Recon and EOD were both in Camp Pendleton. Based on his age range his estimated years of birth are from 1967 to 1977. His likely dates of service would have been somewhere in the 1985-1997 years.

Other body markings show he had a smallpox vaccine which were discontinued in the US in 1972. They were not recommended for children under 1 when they were given. So if that circular mark, on the far right, is indeed a smallpox vaccine scar it is likely he was born prior to 1971. That would have made him at least 26. It has been mentioned to me that this vaccine is given prior to deployments though, so it could be related to that and not his childhood vaccinations which he would have needed if he was born after they stopped giving it which would make him at the younger end of the age range.

He was likely very recently separated from the US Marine Corps since he is not on any AWOL lists. 7Th ESB (Engineer Support Battalion), which includes EOD Company, was deployed to Iraq and Somalia. READ THE ENTRY BELOW "TWENTYNINE PALMS TATTOO CONNECTION " FOR ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT HIS TATTOO!

He has a burn mark on his nose that made Veteran doe think he may have worn glasses. It could be from sunglasses but he was found at night so the thinking is that more likely they were prescription glasses. No glasses are noted as being with his possessions but they probably did not check for any at the scene.
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Unidentified Black Male discovered on June 23, 1997 in New York City, New York

Vital Statistics -
Estimated age - 20-30 years old
Estimated Years Of Birth - 1967 to 1977
Active duty time could have been between 1985 and 1997
Approximate Height and Weight - 5'7"; 130 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics - Shaved head; brown eyes.
Tattoos - Elaborate CUSTOM USMC Eagle Globe Anchor (EGA) tattoo in blue - 1st Force Recon EGA tattoo left upper arm that was an exclusive design done by a tattoo shop in Twentynine Palms California between 1994 and 1996
Clothing - Navy t-shirt, size XL, gray cutoff sweatpants, black Levi jeans, size 34/30, tan or brown cloth belt, brown plaid jacket, size XL. White Fila sneakers, size 8.5.
Dentals NamUs 11/15/2016 - Dental information / charting is available and entered
Fingerprints NamUs 11/15/2016 - Fingerprint information is available and entered
DNA Status: Sample is currently not available

Case History - The victim was located electrocuted on the third rail on the southbound D train tracks at the 145th Street and St. Nicholas Avenue Station.

Investigators - If you have any information about this case please contact:
New York County Medical Examiner's Office - 212-447-2770
Angela Soler 212-447-2763
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
Agency Case Number: M97-03611

NamUs UP # 6814 - https://identifyus.org/cases/6814
Doe Network - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1609umny.html
FB Page - John Doe - Who am I? - https://www.facebook.com/NYCJohnDoeFoundJune1997/
Veteran Doe Blog - http://www.veterandoe.com/top-case.html
Camp Pendleton on Veteran Doe - http://www.veterandoe.com/john-doe-new-york-marines.html

Veteran Doe FB Page https://www.facebook.com/VeteranDoe
Find A Grave - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=162588837
Burial Record on Hart Island https://www.hartisland.net/burial_records/18861-male-unknown?date_of_death=1997-06-23&referer=search

You Tube Harlem NY Marine Corps John Doe https://youtu.be/1dY7PIhqWiA

GPS coordinates 40.82404, -73.944726
Address 1 145th Street "D" train subway station
Address 2 southbound tracks
New York, New York
Circumstances - Unknown black male found electrocuted on the third rail on the southbound D train tracks at the 145th St and St. Nicholas Avenue Station.
Google maps - https://goo.gl/qOOTZT
 
  • #342
As a Marine I can tell you that where you went to boot camp will have nothing to do with where you are stationed in the Fleet Marine Force.

Also I spoke to a buddy of mine who retired as a Recon Marine a few years ago. He stated the post mortem pics had a circulated among Recon Marines a few years ago and apparently nobody recognized him. Of course the turn over rate among junior guys is complete every few years and going 20 years back is a long time.

I recommend looking through cruise books for MEUs from the early-mid 90's....there would be group photos of all the Recon Marines attached to each MEU.
 
  • #343
As a Marine I can tell you that where you went to boot camp will have nothing to do with where you are stationed in the Fleet Marine Force.
I was going to say the something similar, except for the being a Marine part, LOL
 
  • #344
As a Marine I can tell you that where you went to boot camp will have nothing to do with where you are stationed in the Fleet Marine Force.

Also I spoke to a buddy of mine who retired as a Recon Marine a few years ago. He stated the post mortem pics had a circulated among Recon Marines a few years ago and apparently nobody recognized him. Of course the turn over rate among junior guys is complete every few years and going 20 years back is a long time.

I recommend looking through cruise books for MEUs from the early-mid 90's....there would be group photos of all the Recon Marines attached to each MEU.

Thanks so much. Apearn noticed the burn marks on his nose, like he wore glasses. I do wonder how different he'd look if he did wear glasses. Apearn, Carl K and I talked about finding military issue glasses from the time he served to add to a recon but we got busy. If he normally wore glasses, people may not recognize him.

I also think we need to make a flier that says years born and served, plus when he was in Twentynine Palms getting inked
 
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  • #346
I recommend looking through cruise books for MEUs from the early-mid 90's....there would be group photos of all the Recon Marines attached to each MEU.

That is a great idea, thank you!
 
  • #347
http://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv60-84/263.htm

Are these the cruise books you're referring to by chance? If so, we can all take some of the later books.
Also, any hints on navigating through them perhaps?

That's a Navy book. Not sure where to find Marines. I'm googling but not bringing anything up yet

As a Marine I can tell you that where you went to boot camp will have nothing to do with where you are stationed in the Fleet Marine Force.

Also I spoke to a buddy of mine who retired as a Recon Marine a few years ago. He stated the post mortem pics had a circulated among Recon Marines a few years ago and apparently nobody recognized him. Of course the turn over rate among junior guys is complete every few years and going 20 years back is a long time.

I recommend looking through cruise books for MEUs from the early-mid 90's....there would be group photos of all the Recon Marines attached to each MEU.

Where would we find them?
 
  • #348
Rose -Yes, there is a Marine Detachment listed in the cruise books.
Pass-thru, if you could take a minute to explain the connection between the Navy and Marines, that would be appreciated!
I found one that resembles the John Doe, not sure what to do now, so I've set it aside.
 
  • #349
http://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv60-84/263.htm

Are these the cruise books you're referring to by chance? If so, we can all take some of the later books.
Also, any hints on navigating through them perhaps?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_expeditionary_unit#West_Coast_MEUs

At the link there is a list of MEU's. I have seen MEU cruise books but was never on one myself. Usually they have a cruise book (like a yearbook) for the MEU that will have group photos of all the Marines on the MEU and I believe also the attachments. If the thought is that he was stationed near Pendleton, then I would start with the west coast MEUs. Recon would not necessarily be organic to the MEU but would be an attachment at some point there is a good chance any Recon Marine would be attached to a MEU.

However, if looking at a MEU cruise book there is no page for the Recon attachment, then this idea will not work.
 
  • #350
I've seen the Marine ones for sale on eBay, but not viewable on line, like the Navy ones.
I can't believe the prices on them! Holy smokes!
Did they cost $300 to buy originally?
 
  • #351
I found one that resembles the John Doe, not sure what to do now, so I've set it aside.

See if you can find the man on Facebook or in any google searches. That is what I do.

I found four good prospects in the cruise books and so far one is very much alive.
 
  • #352
See if you can find the man on Facebook or in any google searches. That is what I do.I found four good prospects in the cruise books and so far one is very much alive.

The one I found has only first initials and a very common last name, LOL
 
  • #353
The one I found has only first initials and a very common last name, LOL

I know that dilemma! Try adding USMC at the end. Sometimes that pops up FB profiles and often they have their grad photos on there so it's easy to match them.
 
  • #354
bumping bumping bumping

2017 will be 20 years for this guy. We can do this!


I had to have a conversation with one of my kids about making sure all his paperwork was in line and it made me think about this case.

In April 1996 the basic life insurance policy for active duty was $200,000. Assuming he was military and recently seperated, if he converted the policy and kept up the payments (they were nominal, like $16 a month) he would have some heirs out there.

I don't assume his family would be terribly interested in that aspect of his disappearance. I know I don't even like having to talk about wills, and next of kin, and life insurance with my kids. But, I wonder if maybe there is a VA paper trail angle or some other way to pursue his ID with that in mind.

Another thought, maybe I mentioned this at some point but maybe not. I wouldn't be surprised if his family didn't know about the tattoo. Both of my kids have new tattoos and if it wasn't for cell phone cameras I'd go 8 or 9 months and have no clue about that.
 
  • #355
This case is coming up on the 20th anniversary of his death and I'm still hell bent on this one.

I have a thought.

Can I get you all to share his flyer on your social media and then reply here with your home state and closest metro area? I'm thinking that if we can at least get it out in all 50 states we know that was done.

If we don't have a certain metro area covered then I'll work on getting it there.

One problem though......with the new format I can't see how to attach the flyer right here to make it easier.

How do I do that?
 
  • #356
This case is coming up on the 20th anniversary of his death and I'm still hell bent on this one.

I have a thought.

Can I get you all to share his flyer on your social media and then reply here with your home state and closest metro area? I'm thinking that if we can at least get it out in all 50 states we know that was done.

If we don't have a certain metro area covered then I'll work on getting it there.

One problem though......with the new format I can't see how to attach the flyer right here to make it easier.

How do I do that?

I'm not sure how to do that, but I'm happy to share this in Maine. I've already shared his case on FB because my ex and a few of his friends were marines.
Maybe with the updates/upgrades/uploads the FBI is now doing with fingerprints in AFIS, this John Doe may have a hit.
 
  • #357
This case is coming up on the 20th anniversary of his death and I'm still hell bent on this one.

I have a thought.

Can I get you all to share his flyer on your social media and then reply here with your home state and closest metro area? I'm thinking that if we can at least get it out in all 50 states we know that was done.

If we don't have a certain metro area covered then I'll work on getting it there.

One problem though......with the new format I can't see how to attach the flyer right here to make it easier.

How do I do that?

For FB; the best way would be sharing his album at my page or something off of your page at veteran Doe so you can track it better.

If you want to do from VD; make an album like I have then add the narrative to each photo so people can see everything related to the case. The larger tat pic may help someone
 
  • #358
For FB; the best way would be sharing his album at my page or something off of your page at veteran Doe so you can track it better.

If you want to do from VD; make an album like I have then add the narrative to each photo so people can see everything related to the case. The larger tat pic may help someone

Ok - I'll set that up over the weekend. I never do those but I should.

I'm not sure how to do that, but I'm happy to share this in Maine. I've already shared his case on FB because my ex and a few of his friends were marines.
Maybe with the updates/upgrades/uploads the FBI is now doing with fingerprints in AFIS, this John Doe may have a hit.

Thanks! I'll complete the suggestion Roselvr made and post a link or something. FYI - I was in Portland last week. That is a neat place! :)
 
  • #359
Ok - I'll set that up over the weekend. I never do those but I should.
Thanks! I'll complete the suggestion Roselvr made and post a link or something. FYI - I was in Portland last week. That is a neat place! :)
That's so cool you were here. I live 2 hours north, but love Portland, especially the Old Port. I moved there for a little while after college to try to make it in the "big city" (lol), but after a year, couldn't find a full time job. I found one when I moved back home, only to find out my company had also hired people to do my same job in their Portland office. If I had only stuck it out for a few more months down there, I would have gotten my same job in Portland instead, and I'd still be living there, as I am still with that company!- 26 years later.
 
  • #360
Ok - I'll set that up over the weekend. I never do those but I should.



Thanks! I'll complete the suggestion Roselvr made and post a link or something. FYI - I was in Portland last week. That is a neat place! :)

Feel free to copy his narrative if you wanna use it. It has his whole story and links. You can then share to twitter from FB

I'm not sure if you're following Andrea's case; they uploaded prints to an FBI database. She had applied for a government job a few years before her death. I think NamUs has been doing what they can to prove their worth because they lost federal funding for DNA to make matches. Maybe our guy willluck out too
 

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