NY - Howard k stern rx charges

[southcitymom]

He wasn't an enabler, he offed her to get to her "fortune" and Daniellyn, his next future meal ticket.

Oh - Gotcha! I forgot that some people think he killed her! I don't doubt that he was opportunistic, but I don't think he killed her. Anna was an accidental overdose waiting to happen.

 

[LinasK]

Oh - Gotcha! I forgot that some people think he killed her! I don't doubt that he was opportunistic, but I don't think he killed her. Anna was an accidental overdose waiting to happen.

With his push of drug supply! I see Anna's situation, much like Marilyn Monroe's death. Ruled OD by suicide/accident, but most probably murder covered up.
Daniel's death too...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Oh - Gotcha! I forgot that some people think he killed her! I don't doubt that he was opportunistic, but I don't think he killed her. Anna was an accidental overdose waiting to happen.

They said today that the investigation was into activities through January 2007. So this does not have anything to do with Anna's death which was in February 07.

I certainly don't think he purposefully killed Anna. He was her enabler. We have all seen enablers before, I am sure.

I think he would have done anything Anna demanded of him and we all know Anna had been addicted for a very long time.

imoo

 

[Hopeful One]

I actually feel for Howard Stern, who was the classic enabler of an addict - no different than the wife who brings her husband a stiff drink in the morning to get him going before he goes off to work. Enablers will also lie their a$$es off to protect their addict. It is very sad.

I agree 100X over. An enabler can either give in to the addict or finally decide to say no and hate themselves for it because of the consequences (i.e. death of addict, enabler kicked out of addict's life, etc.).

 

[Hopeful One]

With his push of drug supply! I see Anna's situation, much like Marilyn Monroe's death. Ruled OD by suicide/accident, but most probably murder covered up.
Daniel's death too...

Nah... I don't agree. HKS didn't want either of them dead. He was just giving in to her. His problem was that he loved her to a fault.

 

[ziggy]

Howard is a very deceitful person - he will lie as he did about the paternity of the baby. That makes him suspicious. Vicki was his cash cow, period. just like some women seem to be "in love" with their sugar daddies, Howard seems to have been in love with her and the fame and money rolled into one. I don't think he killed her intentionally, however I believe he pimped her out and kept her drugged to avoid confrontation and that makes him very responsible. Howard alledgedly brough drugs into the hospital when she was trying to detox. He should be very worried. He has it coming to him though, and just like a bartender who can be liable for serving someone who is too drunk and they drive and hurt or kill, a lawyerloverpatsyfriend can be liable as well.

 

[SuziQ]

They said today that the investigation was into activities through January 2007. So this does not have anything to do with Anna's death which was in February 07.

I certainly don't think he purposefully killed Anna. He was her enabler. We have all seen enablers before, I am sure.

I think he would have done anything Anna demanded of him and we all know Anna had been addicted for a very long time.

imoo

From what I understand the last round of prescriptions that were filled were tracked to be the ones Anna was still taking at the time of her death. So it does have to do with her death. Something like 400 out of a thousand pills were used in two weeks time? After HKS saw what happened to Daniel, he still sought out and bought that rediculous mixture of meds and amount of drugs for one person? IMO, he deserves at least negligent homicide.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/13/anna.nicole.charges/index.html#cnnSTCText

(snip)
Dangerous cocktails of prescription drugs were pumped into Anna Nicole Smith "almost to the point of stupefaction" and eventually led to her death, California Attorney General Jerry Brown said Friday.

The former Playboy playmate and reality TV star died from an accidental overdose of prescription drugs, a coroner said. Several prescription medications -- both in Smith's and Stern's names -- were found in the room after her death.

 

[Missy70Texas]

Howard is a very deceitful person - he will lie as he did about the paternity of the baby. That makes him suspicious. Vicki was his cash cow, period. just like some women seem to be "in love" with their sugar daddies, Howard seems to have been in love with her and the fame and money rolled into one. I don't think he killed her intentionally, however I believe he pimped her out and kept her drugged to avoid confrontation and that makes him very responsible. Howard alledgedly brough drugs into the hospital when she was trying to detox. He should be very worried. He has it coming to him though, and just like a bartender who can be liable for serving someone who is too drunk and they drive and hurt or kill, a lawyerloverpatsyfriend can be liable as well.

He also probably kept her drugged up and addicted so he could control her. If she had sobered up and recovered she probably would have discovered she didn't need him anymore, that would have left him out in the cold to fend for himself. Haven't forbid he should have to get a real job, after all didn't he admit in court that in a previous year he had only made $12,000.00. Anna was his sole financial support. Howard was, so it seems, a parasite, living off a woman he supposedly loved, he didn't take very good care of his beloved, did he???

 

[RayStar]

Different from what, RayStar? Anna was a drug addict long before she met Howard. I don't consider myself an HKS supporter - I don't feel strongly about him one way or another. I mean - he's a bit of a freak, but so was Anna!!

If HKS knew ANS was a drug addict why did he not help her get clean? (I am not looking for an answer here, I know it is extremely hard to get abusers to not use.) There must have been times when she was clean. OOPS, sorry I thought you were supporting him which is ok. He is hopefully having very BAD nightmares. I feel very strongly against him and hope LE can get two murder charges in the future against someone very soon. Maybe someone will confess after getting a conscience.

Really, I think the birth of DL was the catalyst for the demise of ANS and her son.

Finally, I hope the charges stick. Enablers should be punished for their misdeeds. imo

 

[Logger]

I recall some talk...way back, 2006...that if they could prove the drugs were obtained illegally, and those illegally furnished drugs caused Annas death...they then could be held responsible for the death.

How about Daniel. Where did he get the drugs that were in his system when he died.

 

[SuziQ]

How about Daniel. Where did he get the drugs that were in his system when he died.

Since I hadn't followed Daniels inquest in Oct/Nov, I did some googling. He basically had so much methadone in his system it was beyond fatal. But that Daniel was not believed to be suicidal either. And it was stated the delivery could have been pills disolved in a liquid. There was also no indication of tolerance build up one would find in a habitual user.

One would have to ask why a guy would take so much methadone it would kill an elephant. It's hard to believe that he would commit suicide sitting in a chair in his mom's hospital room.

http://www.showbizspy.com/2008/01/30/anna-nicole-smiths-son-died-of-a-massive-methadone-overdose/

 

[southcitymom]

I agree 100X over. An enabler can either give in to the addict or finally decide to say no and hate themselves for it because of the consequences (i.e. death of addict, enabler kicked out of addict's life, etc.).

They said today that the investigation was into activities through January 2007. So this does not have anything to do with Anna's death which was in February 07.

I certainly don't think he purposefully killed Anna. He was her enabler. We have all seen enablers before, I am sure.

I think he would have done anything Anna demanded of him and we all know Anna had been addicted for a very long time.

imoo

This is exactly how I feel! It's hard for me to buy the "he kept her drugged so he could control her" line of thought. I feel like SHE probably controlled HIM but good and, as Shamrock says, he was besotted with her. A large part of me relates to ANS - she wanted to be high all the time and would do anything to stay that way and she had a monster tolerance and an endless supply - because I was like that once. You can only live like that for so long. And if you are a beautiful charismatic woman, it's not hard to bring people under your spell.

I'm not saying HKS is the paragon of virtue or anything - just that I "get" him and I've seen him many times before in different forms. And as for the thought that if he truly loved her, he would have helped her get clean - maybe he had tried before, I don't know. What I do know is that you can love someone so much it takes your breathe away and STILL not be able to do a single thing to get them to stop hurting themselves.

I wonder if they're going to start arresting all enablers when things go bad for the addict! It is an interesting and heartbreaking case to follow. My heart goes out to everyone involved!

 

[RayStar]

I saw cnn has an interview of Krista Barth. Maybe someone can bring it here.

 

[Chilly Willy]

This is exactly how I feel! It's hard for me to buy the "he kept her drugged so he could control her" line of thought. I feel like SHE probably controlled HIM but good and, as Shamrock says, he was besotted with her. A large part of me relates to ANS - she wanted to be high all the time and would do anything to stay that way and she had a monster tolerance and an endless supply - because I was like that once. You can only live like that for so long. And if you are a beautiful charismatic woman, it's not hard to bring people under your spell.

I'm not saying HKS is the paragon of virtue or anything - just that I "get" him and I've seen him many times before in different forms. And as for the thought that if he truly loved her, he would have helped her get clean - maybe he had tried before, I don't know. What I do know is that you can love someone so much it takes your breathe away and STILL not be able to do a single thing to get them to stop hurting themselves.

I wonder if they're going to start arresting all enablers when things go bad for the addict! It is an interesting and heartbreaking case to follow. My heart goes out to everyone involved!

Howard was not merely an enabler and he wasn't arrested on charges of enabling. He was arrested because of his own criminal acts. As a lawyer, he really has no excuse.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I saw cnn has an interview of Krista Barth. Maybe someone can bring it here.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/14/anna.nicole.stern.lawyer/

 

[nomad]

A list of the "meds" Ehrosevch requested. I wonder what she's doing 'til Monday?


http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/anna_nicole_prescription.pdf

 

[southcitymom]

Howard was not merely an enabler and he wasn't arrested on charges of enabling. He was arrested because of his own criminal acts. As a lawyer, he really has no excuse.

Hey Chilly Willy - I was being a little tongue in cheek with my arrest for enabling comment. I'm sure most of Howard and Anna's drug-procuring activities were anything but legal.

 

[Carrington]

FYI for interested members, we are talking about this in the parking lot as well.

What's up with two threads going at the same time?
Just asking.

IMO

 

[wandering]

I'm wondering if this would be negligent homicide, or something like that. I guess we'll have to wait and see what ANS's family has to say about that.

 

[RayStar]

Since I hadn't followed Daniels inquest in Oct/Nov, I did some googling. He basically had so much methadone in his system it was beyond fatal. But that Daniel was not believed to be suicidal either. And it was stated the delivery could have been pills disolved in a liquid. There was also no indication of tolerance build up one would find in a habitual user.

One would have to ask why a guy would take so much methadone it would kill an elephant. It's hard to believe that he would commit suicide sitting in a chair in his mom's hospital room.

http://www.showbizspy.com/2008/01/30/anna-nicole-smiths-son-died-of-a-massive-methadone-overdose/

Seems like there was mention of a milkshake back then. Thanks for the link. I really am suspicious now.