Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 1

[Londonrraine]

Seems to have gone down well with the admin of the Missing page.

I find that very interesting. Do they really WANT TO alienate the public?
Now that they've finally put a page out there?

Makes you think...

 

[nervous_nellie]

I find that very interesting. Do they really WANT TO alienate the public?
Now that they've finally put a page out there?

Makes you think...

i dont think the friends of her from her home town are trying to alienate, idk this case is just odd.

i think if she was safe, she would have made contact by now. if some random car jacker or rapist/killer -- i think she probably would have been found by now. jmho. she is hidden somewhere an i think only someone who knew her would go thru the trouble of hiding her. also, jmho....

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2013-01-04/16574/Newspaper-resolutions/

By: Jeff Genung, Managing Editor
Quote:On the professional side, you’re viewing one of my 2013 resolutions right here – to write in my own newspaper more often. I got into this business a couple decades ago because I fancied myself a writer

Well.... good luck to him.... Like... who wants to read about what this non-entity has to say? :no:

 

[Londonrraine]

This interested me - anyone local heard anything?

http://www.facebook.com/WSARTeam?ref=stream

although no answer as to why they were heading to Chenango...

Good find there Wolf Dreamer.
It looks like this SAR has been in Chenango County since yesterday. Interesting is right.
All they've said is, it's "a Law Enforcement Mission."

 

[fringles]

Ok I went to FB to see if anyone was friends with the journalist and ended up with two questions and I really hope I can ask them, web-sleuths-legally!

- has JRR changed her profile pic in the time since this thread started? I could easily be wrong but I thought her pic was different.

- I am NOT suggesting the husband is involved in any way but I think I remember finding his FB before- but now I can't?

I really could be wrong on both counts though.

 

[Londonrraine]

Ok I went to FB to see if anyone was friends with the journalist and ended up with two questions and I really hope I can ask them, web-sleuths-legally!

- has JRR changed her profile pic in the time since this thread started? I could easily be wrong but I thought her pic was different.

- I am NOT suggesting the husband is involved in any way but I think I remember finding his FB before- but now I can't?

I really could be wrong on both counts though.

JRR's user pic hasn't changed. I'm pretty sure nothing about her page has changed.
Her hubby has had some pics posted, but mostly he's got things private.

Can u see this page? It's GRR public and a freind, KF? Can u see this?
https://www.facebook.com/search/results.php?q=ganesh remy ramsaran&type=eposts

 

[fringles]

Thank you Londonrraine! I thought I was nuts but think it was a combo of Facebook glitch and me being... Nuts.

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2013-01-04/16574/Newspaper-resolutions/

By: Jeff Genung, Managing Editor
Quote:On the professional side, you’re viewing one of my 2013 resolutions right here – to write in my own newspaper more often. I got into this business a couple decades ago because I fancied myself a writer

Which is interesting as they're the ones that deleted Jillian and others comments about getting out to search for Jennifer...

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

Good find there Wolf Dreamer.
It looks like this SAR has been in Chenango County since yesterday. Interesting is right.
All they've said is, it's "a Law Enforcement Mission."

It caught my attention after the earlier comment about LE asking locals not to search this week...

 

[Londonrraine]

I have to step away for awhile. I sure as Hell cannot go to that FB page, or i'll smack someone, *figuratively speaking* of course.
I know it's sheer ignorance that provokes many people to say the things they do, so I need to just let it go, but it pisses me off.
Do they really think that everyone who tries to help in these cases is some "detective wannabe"? The odds are MUCH BETTER that we're here and wanting to help, because we've got murdered loved ones of our own, and/or because we've survived the unthinkable, ourselves! That's how I got here.
I'm sure as Hell not here because I have nothing better to do than play CSI. Time out.

 

[Jilllian]

I just called the local sheriff's department and spoke to a sergeant there, letting him know that there are people in our area who want to form a search party for JR. He said that he would "discourage that at the moment because there are ongoing operations with that. We don't want anyone involved in a search that could disturb our areas, not at this point in time." When I asked if they're doing searches or have done them, he said, "We have planned and ongoing operations and plans for searches and K-9s in the area. I can tell you that we're doing everything possible to find Jennifer." He also said "Thanks so much for calling first, before you guys went out, because it's important not to do that, especially not today or this coming week."

Yes, I was specifically told by a Chenango County Sheriff via phone, to not allow an interested search party group to search for Jennifer. This makes sense given the fact that the SAR team appears on their way!

As for alienating the public, I still don't get the angle of the people who created the FB page for her. I've seen SO many posts on the Missing FB deleted after the poster's offered to help (not just with search party). Why not just say "we don't want the scene disturbed" if in fact they knew of the SAR team's pending arrival? What they seem to be saying instead is "We don't want your help, unless it's just to share a pic."

Oh wait, I'm arm-chair-sleuthing. Sorry!

Today, I was in a neighboring town, and the person I was visiting hadn't heard that Jennifer was missing. She's lived in that town for 40+ years and knows everyone. She has 10 foster children in her home, many of whom are teens, and none of them have heard either. That said, me asking her about Jennifer triggered a memory she had earlier about a person handing out "some kind of flyer" to her garbage collector.

As an aside, I heard from a friend of the family's who said that Jennifer's friends and family are reading posts in this forum, and that Jennifer's mom and dad have in fact, been traveling back and forth from AZ to NY.

As another aside, I started a FB page a few days ago with the words "Help Find Her" next to Jennifer's name, and her husband wrote on the wall asking whoever created the page to contact him. I did so, and haven't heard anything back.

This case is bizarre. Can I say "bizarre" or is that too much arm-chair sleuthing too?

In any case, if my child/husband/sister/friend/other-love-one were missing, I would be so grateful for all the interest shown in the case on this site. As a newbie here, I don't see people's posts here as being "drawn by drama" as the "reporter" insinuates, or for "fun" as he outwardly states. Rather, I see a bunch of wonderful people wanting to help by offering ideas and thoughts. Silence is not golden in this case...

JMO

 

[Jilllian]

http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2013-01-04/16574/Newspaper-resolutions/

By: Jeff Genung, Managing Editor
Quote:On the professional side, you’re viewing one of my 2013 resolutions right here – to write in my own newspaper more often. I got into this business a couple decades ago because I fancied myself a writer

Journalism at its finest.
By Jeff Genung, Managing Editor

"Despite that out of whack feeling, Christmas and New Year’s Day were both a great time, spent with the family up on Prospect Street. It’s not too often we manage to get all four of us together (my mom, stepfather, grandmother and I) outside of the holiday season, and it’s always a pleasure, particularly when you consider mom’s home cooking. Sure I don’t mind living off Hot Pockets and Byrne Dairy subs throughout the week, but a home cooked meal is something you won’t find this reporter turning down very often."

Really? Hot Pockets? Mom's home cooking? Who cares! And he bashes discussion on topics that really matter in a community? Sheesh.

 

[nervous_nellie]

im fairly certain that my "thoughts" are not going to disturb a crime scene AND i dont think the "thought police" have ever helped any cause; so whatever is going on here does not pass the smell test imo.

sort of ot -- but it also seems to me that most of the more recent cases that i have followed that have had a fb put for the missing person the admins of those pages have been less than friendly and massive arguing breaks out on the page....so much so that they end up deleting pages sometimes more than once. im beginning to have my doubts about the usefulness of fb, it almost seems more trouble than its worth OR it may just be too stressful for some family/friends to run a fb for their loved one that is missing, for obvious reasons and there is nothing wrong with that, but it seems to just cause so much more drama than it does actual useful information. thats why WS is imo much different than the fb sites with family acting as moderators. that being said, possibly this is what this paper twit is responding too?

it sounds like le is working a good lead and must have a poi and dont want that poi apprised of the situation---thats all i can think of for why they absolutely do not want anyone involved. jmho

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

im fairly certain that my "thoughts" are not going to disturb a crime scene AND i dont think the "thought police" have ever helped any cause; so whatever is going on here does not pass the smell test imo.

sort of ot -- but it also seems to me that most of the more recent cases that i have followed that have had a fb put for the missing person the admins of those pages have been less than friendly and massive arguing breaks out on the page....so much so that they end up deleting pages sometimes more than once. im beginning to have my doubts about the usefulness of fb, it almost seems more trouble than its worth OR it may just be too stressful for some family/friends to run a fb for their loved one that is missing, for obvious reasons and there is nothing wrong with that, but it seems to just cause so much more drama than it does actual useful information. thats why WS is imo much different than the fb sites with family acting as moderators. that being said, possibly this is what this paper twit is responding too?

it sounds like le is working a good lead and must have a poi and dont want that poi apprised of the situation---thats all i can think of for why they absolutely do not want anyone involved. jmho

Good thinking, Nellie, regarding LE keeping this current search "under the radar" so as to not alert a POI!

lease:

 

[Jilllian]

Good thinking, Nellie, regarding LE keeping this current search "under the radar" so as to not alert a POI!

lease:

Absolutely good thinking!

In your experience, is that usually the case with LE? The under-the-radar bit, I mean?

 

[Jilllian]

http://www.facebook.com/WSARTeam?ref=stream#

Search and rescue team just deleted their FB posts about 1) coming to Chenango County and 2) spending a long day out on their snow shoes (or something to that effect).

?????

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

JRR's user pic hasn't changed. I'm pretty sure nothing about her page has changed.
Her hubby has had some pics posted, but mostly he's got things private.

Can u see this page? It's GRR public and a freind, KF? Can u see this?
https://www.facebook.com/search/results.php?q=ganesh remy ramsaran&type=eposts

I believe KF is keeping her fingers crossed to catch up on finding JR?

:waitasec:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Does anyone know if GR took a polygraph test? Word around town is that he did, and failed. I can't find anything confirming this, but I suppose it's something that wouldn't be publicized...

I'm stumped at why he would wait until the NEXT DAY to use that phone finder app? That's the first thing I would do if my loved ones became missing.

It does seem odd that he tracked the phone himself. Why didn't the police think of this and/or do this? Perhaps the police tried pinging it and it was turned off? But, if it was off, how could GR's phone-finder app work?

The way the article is written, GR did this independently, without the police's knowledge, found the phone, took pictures and only called the police after this was all done? What made him think to take pictures with a cell phone, when he knew he was going to call the police, who have high tech cameras? What was his angle here?

Sounds strange and suspicious as all get out to me.

A couple of things have me puzzled...

- since LE did an intense investigation on the house of JR and GR... Then I imagine LE would have had GR take a poly... why hasn't this been reported... Why haven't the results been reported... And why is GR not cleared by LE...(of course there are no reports of him being a POI, either)...

- The reports NOW of GR finding the phone seems like a strategic reporting by LE...

- And the circumstances surrounding GR finding the phone are interesting...GR waits until the next day... Finds the phone in a fairly off the grid place (using phone finding app that LE would have access to, I would think) ...Takes pics... THEN calls LE... Could sound staged...

All JMO....

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Also wondering why GR would go to the phone's location alone, after using the "find my iPhone" app if there was any chance she was ALIVE and in danger. For discussion's sake, if she was kidnapped, and the app shows the GPS location of her phone, wouldn't one think of the possibility that a threat exists and a criminal could be involved, and that they should not go it alone? Even when the GPS location was in a woodsy area, why go alone, retrieve the phone, take your own pics, and only then call the police?

My posts sound accusatory, and I apologize for that. I can say it's because I'm a newbie here, but in actuality, it's because I'm a big cynic.

I now have a very strong and sad feeling that Jennifer is no longer with us.

Point I had not considered yet... That there may be a person with criminal intent where the phone is being GPSed (or whatever the term... I am no expert)...

so calling LE FIRST would be the safest, and most prudent, step ... Before physical searches of the phone...

JMO

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Absolutely good thinking!

In your experience, is that usually the case with LE? The under-the-radar bit, I mean?

With my limited expertise and experience... Yes... I have even seen searches being organized by search parties in one location... While LE is conducting another search in a different location "under the radar"...

JMO