Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 1

[fringles]

and the modest (bikini) comment ....
that came up because we were talking about how Jennifer was always modest and never used to wear make up, show skin, that kind of stuff....but that was changing drastically in the last again 9 months or so

yes he made a stupid comment about me in a bikini - but that was because we had talked about how modest i am,

second quote is from KLs first message. Colour me confused?

 

[Piperdog]

Just looked at JR's facebook page. The pictures have changed again.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1598571011157.82010.1442477659&type=3#!/jennifer.ramsaran
Now, the focus of the pictures is marathons. From what I understand, GR is the runner in the family. Going through some of the publis pictures on her FB page, it seems that JR attended his races on a frequent basis. What if attending her husband's races was something that she enjoyed? Maybe whoever is changing the pictures is hoping that JR will check her page, and maybe the pictures will cause her to reminice about happier times in her life. Maybe they think if she sees the pictures, it will prompt her to reach out to her family if, in fact, she did leave on her own accord. This is JMHO, of course.

Don't get me wrong, I am not defending GR, but she has been missing a month now. A month is more than enough time for LE to develop evidence against him if there was any. I really am starting to feel that there isn't anything pointing to him from a LE point of view or he would be in LE's custody. I am really thinking that she did leave initially on her own accord. Of course, it is possible that she met with foul play since leaving.

 

[krey]

second quote is from KLs first message. Colour me confused?

I noticed that too! It was kind of on the periphery of my mind when I read it the first time, but didn't fully register until I read your comment here.

Flirting with someone while your wife is missing looks REALLY bad. Whether you believe she took off on her own and is physically okay, or you worry about her saftely, this is not the time to be acting flirty. Either way, he should be consumed with worry - whether it be worry that JR abandoned her own kids, or worry that he is going to be looked at as a suspect, or worry that JR has met with harm - whatever he thinks (or knows) happened, it seems like worry would be at the forefront of his mind.

Any comment from a man to a woman about wearing a bikini is going to be flirty in nature. I mean, c'mon.

 

[enzeder]

and the modest (bikini) comment ....
that came up because we were talking about how Jennifer was always modest and never used to wear make up, show skin, that kind of stuff....but that was changing drastically in the last again 9 months or so

I checked the screenshot of the conversation where GR suggested, out of the blue, that KR should put on a bikini and go out in the snow etc. Nowhere in that conversation was JR's name mentioned.

 

[enzeder]

Thinking of JR today and wishing she is safe and warm somewhere.

Here's my quick thoughts as I'm at work..

I'm bothered by GR's need to defend himself constantly. Ok, you're innocent, stop talking and find your wife.

The conflicting stories about their relationship. Now, it's him that wanted out. Ok then why are you all over FB as if the love of your life is gone. Seems odd to me.

Then the whole psychic gig. I'm sure she may even believe him - as per her comment upthread, she seems harmeless and in need of the cash. Heck, GR could even be throwing a little extra.

GR is not a stupid person by any means. I'm sure he's reading here too.

Anyways, she didn't just vanish into thin air and I don't think she met up with someone from online and met with foul play. The police have her computer records and IMO, we would know more. I think if that were the case, GR would be more descriptive in his pleads of his wife.

BBM ^ - I reckon that he is too. Keeping his finger on the pulse so to speak. IMO

 

[krey]

FWIW -- I'm looking through JR's fb pictures, and there are tons of pics from this summer (2012) in which she and GR banter back and forth. He comments on her pics, or she tags him in something silly. It all seems very playful and flirty, and like they're in equal standing with each other (as opposed to her being afraid of him, or him being overbearing and controlling, or anything of that nature). It's just about every single picture, this back-and-forth between them. Going all the way back through the Spring of 2012, which is as far as I've gotten.

Hmmmm, I dunno. I'm not getting any bad vibes on him from looking through the pics, and their comments to each other. I see several times when he's very supportive and encouraging, telling her she doesn't give herself enough credit on her artwork, etc. All very positive stuff. This is the first time I've really looked through a lot of it. And I gotta say, at this moment, after reading through it all... I'm just not feeling like he did anything! I don't know what went wrong in their marriage, or when, enough that they'd have been discussing divorce... but through at least the summer of '12, it appears that they were very friendly and loving with one another.

He's definitely made some stupid comments since she's been missing. But maybe that's all it is.... stupid and awkward, knowing that he's under the glare of suspicion and being watched and analyzed.

Maybe she had a Tiffany Tehan moment and ran off to be with some guy, and now is too embarrassed or ashamed or afraid to call someone and say, hey, I'm okay, because she KNOWS she'll be judged harshly for abandoning her kids and friends and family and causing everyone to worry. Since this isn't national news, perhaps she could be with some guy who is mostly unaware that she's considered missing.

Maybe she did lose the weight, start feeling better about herself, and get caught up in some new guy who blew in her ear and made her feel even better. It would be a new feeling, if she's struggled with weight in the past, and she may get some "high" from it that she doesn't want to let go of. Maybe she knows 100% that the kids will be taken care of with GR, and so while she might miss them, she knows they're fine (which would, of course, be extremely selfish on her part - but maybe she's justified it in her own mind, so that she may go off and chase this euphoric feeling of having some new guy fawn all over her.

I think it's entirely possible.

 

[krey]

OH, and meant to say that JR is extremely talented with her artwork and crafts! I'm impressed!

 

[krey]

I'm sure you've all seen this by now, but on the site with a couple of her writings http://www.wattpad.com/user/d00rst0p she has two stories, one of which she gives the following summary:

Road Trip

4 parts / 4 pages, updated Jan 08, 2012
Gina starting out on her own. She embarks on a road trip across US. Farther away from everything she has ever known she finds more about herself than she ever thought possible.

A getting-away-from-it-all-in-order-to-find-myself dream of hers???

I haven't read the story itself yet.

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

Originally I think most of us felt that GR was a bit odd but not giving off that "vibe". Yes, the family kept very quiet but maybe there were reasons for it.

But as time went on.. If friends are so supportive, why is KF doing all the talking? They've known each other hardly any time at all yet she's behaving like his BFF and as if she's been part of the circle for years. The message she has conveyed has been one subtly blackening Jennifer's name. No mention of the health issues she supposedly had, which may have affected how she had looked and was now looking.

I don't understand why she'd run off if he'd offered her a divorce. Even if you care nothing for the children, why choose starting again with nothing over starting with 50% of everything? Why would you leave your meds behind? Even if you did run off in a heady high, after missing birthdays and Christmas I think the novelty would have worn off by now. If she did run off then there's one possible reason why she wanted nothing from GR - she didn't want him to have any hold over her. Financial, emotional, whatever.

Maybe she did go off to meet a man; but if she had done her hair not long before going, I suspect she hadn't met him before and wasn't planning more than a short assignation.

Why are her family so quiet? Even if GR doesn't care, don't her parents? Where are his friends and hers? That Missing page was set up by friend from AZ if I remember rightly, not anyone local.

Think I'd almost be more comfortable if he made a public statement that he wanted a divorce, he was out of love with her and he thinks she's upped and run off. Call the kids/your parents, they're worried. If people want to look for her, off you go.

 

[krey]

Okay, so I found her old myspace. There's nothing unusual on it, and it hasn't been used in years.

http://www.myspace.com/chezram

But it's another screenname to work with: chezram. Maybe someone can find some more of her accounts using this name. I googled it and haven't found anything else connected to her, but maybe someone else will have some luck!

 

[enzeder]

Thanks for posting these maps! The way I read this is that her phone was actually found further away then her car was. Taking the route from her home in New Berlin, one would take Route 8 south to South New Berlin, then 23 west through Norwich, and then hook up with 80N up to Syracuse. That's typically the way we locals go. And that mall is also typically where we locals go for real shopping.

Her car was found just outside the city of Norwich, on Plymouth Street, which is also Route 23. It's an odd place to park it, given that there are many other very large lots in very close proximity. That said, the odds of security cameras being in the larger lots are higher (Walmart, Home Depot, some large grocery stores, etc.), as the Plank Rd. Manor Apts. aren't likely to have any. It's a sketchy complex. And her phone was found further up on the same road (closer to the mall), a day and a half later.

It's been cold and rainy all day today. I pray for a break in this case.

Yes, you are correct Jillian, the phone was found further along State Hwy 23 from where the car was found. Sorry for confusing things.

From JR home in Sheff Rd New Berlin (via Hwy 23) to where her car was found at Plank Road Apt's, 95 Plymouth St, Norwich is 8.2 miles. Carrying on along State Hwy 23 to New York 23 & Moon Hill Rd, Plymouth, where the phone was found, is a distance of 5.5 miles so all up the distance from JR home to where the phone was found is 13.7 miles. I am open to correction

Link to map http://goo.gl/maps/a4nCC

 

[Jilllian]

Yes, you are correct Jillian, the phone was found further along State Hwy 23 from where the car was found. Sorry for confusing things.

From JR home in Sheff Rd New Berlin (via Hwy 23) to where her car was found at Plank Road Apt's, 95 Plymouth St, Norwich is 8.2 miles. Carrying on along State Hwy 23 to New York 23 & Moon Hill Rd, Plymouth, where the phone was found, is a distance of 5.5 miles so all up the distance from JR home to where the phone was found is 13.7 miles. I am open to correction

Link to map http://goo.gl/maps/a4nCC

Thanks for this map, enzender. You are right! This is exactly the route most take to the Carousel Center (Destiny USA now).

All along this route are rock quarries, sand quarries, and seasonal roads that are used in the summer, if at all, as well as lakes, ponds, creeks, and a river. Also of note, there are dozens, if not at least a hundred abandoned trailers, houses, and other structures along this route.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Okay, so I found her old myspace. There's nothing unusual on it, and it hasn't been used in years.

http://www.myspace.com/chezram

But it's another screenname to work with: chezram. Maybe someone can find some more of her accounts using this name. I googled it and haven't found anything else connected to her, but maybe someone else will have some luck!

I tried finding out what "chezram" or " chez ram" could mean... Translated from French... Could not find anything decipherable (for me)...

I looked at the friends on this MySpace page... And the men were in bands..

One band, now defunct, from Arizona...

Just some observations...

JMO

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I tried finding out what "chezram" or " chez ram" could mean... Translated from French... Could not find anything to decipherable (for me)...

Ilooked at the friends on this MySpace page... And the men were in bands..

One band, now defunct, from Arizona...

Just some observations...

JMO

Sorry to quote myself... But :doh:

chez means "home of" ....loose translation....

Ram are the first three letters of Ramsaran!

JMO

 

[Jilllian]

Okay, so I found her old myspace. There's nothing unusual on it, and it hasn't been used in years.

http://www.myspace.com/chezram

But it's another screenname to work with: chezram. Maybe someone can find some more of her accounts using this name. I googled it and haven't found anything else connected to her, but maybe someone else will have some luck!

Quotes from her MySpace page, from what appear to be one of those question/answer surveys that get circulated...


25. Who is the friend you have had the longest that you are sending to?

My husband..

26. What did you do last night?

Read a book and fell asleep waiting for kids and hubby to come home.

27. What are you most afraid of?

Loosing family in tragic accident.

*************

My head spins with so much conflicting information. On the one hand they seemed to, at least outwardly, appear to be a very loving couple/family. But the vibes GR throws off, tell me otherwise. Ditto regarding the info from the psychic (he wanted a divorce, she didn't, she was taking to a man in the UK, 10,000 pages of cell phone info for the police to analyze, the deafening silence, etc., etc.).

I don't know about you guys, but his is very confusing...

 

[Londonrraine]

BBM ^ - I reckon that he is too. Keeping his finger on the pulse so to speak. IMO

According to the family member that contacted me, the whole family is reading here, yes.

 

[LivingJuicy]

According to the family member that contacted me, the whole family is reading here, yes.

Has anyone defended GR, other than his psychic friend? Anyone in the family?

 

[Londonrraine]

Thanks for this map, enzender. You are right! This is exactly the route most take to the Carousel Center (Destiny USA now).

All along this route are rock quarries, sand quarries, and seasonal roads that are used in the summer, if at all, as well as lakes, ponds, creeks, and a river. Also of note, there are dozens, if not at least a hundred abandoned trailers, houses, and other structures along this route.

I posted Jennifer's missing flyer in the Destiny USA FB page, the week that she went missing. They removed it. I put it back up, asking "how could you remove a missing woman's info, when this may have been the last known place that Jennifer Ramsaran was?! They removed that too.

This Airport. I know it's a small airport, but LE should check all video for the days surrounding Jennifer's disappearance. If the car was found this close to the airport and the phone so much further away, i'm more inclined to think that phone was planted. And if they look, I would not expect her true ID to be available.

I cannot look at that airport and dismiss the thought. Especially because the phone was found so much further down the road. Something had to occur at the location of her car.

 

[Londonrraine]

http://www.onesky.com/airports/New_York/Lt_Warren_Eaton.html

I'm having pc issues here. Can someone try to pull up the flight info for December 11th?

 

[MissieMt]

I don't have much time to comment on the weekends, but I'm still reading and I just want to say to KF that I hope you're right, and I REALLY REALLY hope that I end up eating my own words. That would be the best meal ever.