Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 1

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  • #681
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sleepover? seriously ... after? uh huh, my child would not be going, I Am sorry, that is too weird
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I'll have to look back, but I read somewhere that GR was so pleased that all the parents let their girls come over for the sleepover - basically said that they trusted him and knew he didn't have anything to do with JR's disappearance.
 
  • #682
Perhaps, others were quite unhappy with Jennifer's weight (and other things about her), and rather than her weight loss a sign of a new interest, perhaps, Jennifer was attempting to salvage her marriage rather than run from it as has been speculated.
 
  • #683
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sleepover? seriously ... after? uh huh, my child would not be going, I Am sorry, that is too weird
:waitasec:


Agreed. Although, I think the sleepover was at his home. You know, model father, having kids over for his daughter.

Or feeling guilty.
 
  • #684
The arguments are certainly compelling either way - that she ran off or that GR did something. I felt so strongly last night, after looking through all her pics and their comments, that he wouldn't have done anything.

But honestly, nothing on her fb page jives with a divorce, either. They seemed like best friends all throughout the year, not a couple on the brink of divorce.

How strange.
 
  • #685
The arguments are certainly compelling either way - that she ran off or that GR did something. I felt so strongly last night, after looking through all her pics and their comments, that he wouldn't have done anything.

But honestly, nothing on her fb page jives with a divorce, either. They seemed like best friends all throughout the year, not a couple on the brink of divorce.

How strange.

I seldom will go with my gut feelings but this time it is very strong. I feel he hurt her.:(
 
  • #686
Have their been any press conferences? Usually SOMEONE in the family gives a press conference, don't they? The husband or the parents. Even if they think she took off, wouldn't they want to go on tv and say "Jennifer, please call home", or if they think she's in danger, appeal to someone to let her go? Saying that she's a loved wife and mother and her children are missing her?

I mean, I just don't get it. I think if we can figure out WHY everyone is being so quiet, we can figure out what it is that everyone thinks happened to her. Surely there's a main theory among those close to her, and I would expect that there would be a different strategy for each scenario (in terms of searching for her, and what to release to the public).
 
  • #687
One does not always know what goes on behind closed doors.

Appearances can be deceiving. Education, career, marathons, fund-raising, etc.
 
  • #688
Three children. Stay-at-home-mother.

How many years have they been married?
 
  • #689
Three children. Stay-at-home-mother.

How many years have they been married?

Her fb page says they got married in 1999, so like 13-14 years.
 
  • #690
The arguments are certainly compelling either way - that she ran off or that GR did something. I felt so strongly last night, after looking through all her pics and their comments, that he wouldn't have done anything.

But honestly, nothing on her fb page jives with a divorce, either. They seemed like best friends all throughout the year, not a couple on the brink of divorce.

How strange.

Has anyone other than KF shared that GR and JR were contemplating divorce?

Do we have other sources of this information?

TIA
 
  • #691
Has anyone other than KF shared that GR and JR were contemplating divorce?

Do we have other sources of this information?

TIA
One of Jennifer's friends said they never saw anything to indicate that Jennifer's marriage was unhappy.

There is so much conflict here.
 
  • #692
I'm sure you've all seen this by now, but on the site with a couple of her writings http://www.wattpad.com/user/d00rst0p she has two stories, one of which she gives the following summary:

Road Trip

4 parts / 4 pages, updated Jan 08, 2012
Gina starting out on her own. She embarks on a road trip across US. Farther away from everything she has ever known she finds more about herself than she ever thought possible.


A getting-away-from-it-all-in-order-to-find-myself dream of hers???

I haven't read the story itself yet.

So Jennifer ditched her iPhone and vehicle, and then what?

A new love-interest pulled her lovingly into his vehicle and they sped off on the highway towards the sunrise of their new lives together?

Or she left to start her new life alone without any male companion? Off to pursue her new life, interests and dreams without her 3 children and any male?

Or an internet chap duped her into meeting him on the highway and is holding her somewhere against her will?

Not buying it.
 
  • #693
One of Jennifer's friends said they never saw anything to indicate that Jennifer's marriage was unhappy.

There is so much conflict here.

I just spent a few minutes going through all of GR's fb pictures, and I see absolutely nothing to indicate any trouble or unhappiness, and nothing that gives me any weird feelings.

He even had a quote pic posted at one point that said something like "A real man treats his lady like he wants another man to treat his mother, daughter, or wife" or something, and said that his father had been giving him this advice since he was 5 or 6 years old.

Lots of loving, happy pics with him and the kids, and lots of pics with the whole family including Jennifer. I don't at all get the sense that it's overdone like he's trying to put on a false front, either. It all seems very natural.

I dunno. Between his page and Jennifer's, I just can't see him doing anything!! I know I'm repeating myself, and going back and forth a bit here, but when I look at their pages I get a very decent vibe about him, like he's a decent guy with good family values.
 
  • #694
I don't think you can use fb as a barometer for how a marriage is doing. I've seen distant friends pages that made me think they were happily married, and they were in the middle of a nasty divorce. And even if she did post stuff in the moment, it's very easy to delete that stuff afterwards. Same with family and friends, some people prefer to keep their relationship troubles private and don't tell family/friends what's going on until they absolutely have to.
 
  • #695
Has anyone other than KF shared that GR and JR were contemplating divorce?

Do we have other sources of this information?

TIA

Can I be honest?

All this stuff about how GR wanted out, but Jennifer begged him to stay and her developing an interest with some man met online, and her changing her appearance... Well all of this gives me a vibe like these stories married men sell to their potential mistresses. The stories that are supposed to make them look like the good ones that did no wrong. You get my drift here.
 
  • #696
Another case that this reminds me of is the (extremely sad) Whitney Heichel case in Oregon a few months ago. Her car was found parked at a local WalMart, and her cell phone was found tossed in some bushes quite a ways away. Now in that case, the police had evidence that something bad had happened - her car window was smashed out, and then they found some of her belongings in a nearby park. Then they found her body, and a neighbor was arrested and charged with her murder. The whole case moved a lot more quickly than this one, but I remember for a few days there, we (websleuths) were wondering about the silence and apparent lack of activity. OH, and the cops kept saying that they didn't even know if a crime had been committed (when in reality, they did know, and had their eyes on this suspect most of the time. we didn't know it, but they'd been questioning the guy).

I guess, thinking back on that case, I'm wondering if it is at all possible that she could have been abducted and killed, and then the guy left the car at the apt complex and threw the phone out the window. Could it be that the cops have a suspect (not GR) but not enough evidence to arrest someone, and are waiting for the guy to mess up??

I didn't originally think anything but her running away or GR doing something, but just as there are good arguments for each of these scenarios, there are also very good arguments against each of them. Which leaves, what??
 
  • #697
Can I be honest?

All this stuff about how GR wanted out, but Jennifer begged him to stay and her developing an interest with some man met online, and her changing her appearance... Well all of this gives me a vibe like these stories married men sell to their potential mistresses. The stories that are supposed to make them look like the good ones that did no wrong. You get my drift here.

Ahhhh, very good observation!

Whether or not it has anything to do with the reason for JR going missing, KF and GR do seem to have gotten awfully close, awfully quickly, huh?

And you're SO right about that being exactly the kind of story a married man would tell a potential mistress. Good call!
 
  • #698
He seems to want to be portraying a Tiffany Tehan situation. She was a young mom from Ohio who did leave her husband and baby for a man she just met, and left her car in a strange place, with the door open, when she was supposed to be shopping. Everyone thought she was taken by force. She never did go back home.

I guess it is possible...no one imagined she would ever do it...but rare. Tiffany and man friend were only caught by chance some weeks later in Florida, she hadn't made contact at all. Quite unbelievable, really.
 
  • #699
He seems to want to be portraying a Tiffany Tehan situation. She was a young mom from Ohio who did leave her husband and baby for a man she just met, and left her car in a strange place, with the door open, when she was supposed to be shopping. Everyone thought she was taken by force. She never did go back home.

I guess it is possible...no one imagined she would ever do it...but rare. Tiffany and man friend were only caught by chance some weeks later in Florida, she hadn't made contact at all. Quite unbelievable, really.

The Tiffany Tehans of the world should be utterly ashamed of themselves. Because of people like her, I will always and forever wonder in each missing person case if the person took off on their own, selfishly ditching their entire life and leaving everyone behind to fret and worry. We've seen that people can and do do this, and do it well, for they seemingly disappear off the face of the Earth until weeks or months or years later when somehow they're found or decide to come forth. It's incredibly selfish and cowardly, and it gives a bad name to TRUE missing persons cases, because we can always say "Yeah, but remember that Tiffany Tehan woman" or "Remember the Ivy Merck case" or "What about the Runaway Bride?" (or insert one of a couple dozen other men and women who have done this). It's truly terrible.
 
  • #700
Has anyone other than KF shared that GR and JR were contemplating divorce?

Do we have other sources of this information?

TIA

There had been discussion regarding the possibility of separation according to article linked below.

Jennifer Renz Ramsaran, the 36-year-old stay-at-home mom missing for a week under suspicious circumstances, had begun discussing the possibility of separating from her husband ......

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1423436202/Officials-seek-leads-on-missing-area-woman
 
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