Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 1

[krey]

I was googling Tiffany Tehan, trying to see where she is today and what she's up to (couldn't find her on fb), and came across yet another woman who took off on her own and showed up 8 days later with a bunch of BS stories about having been kidnapped. Right before she was found, her car was found parked somewhere with her purse and cell phone inside. Her name was Gwen Wright. Here's the 3-page websleuths thread on her: Found Safe OH - Gwen Wright, 38, Wellington, 6 Oct 2010 - Diabetic - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
She was married and a registered nurse, not sure if she had kids. She had told her husband she was going to rent a dvd, and then vanished.

So we can add her to the list of runaways, missing for 8 days. Ivy Merck for 3 weeks, Tiffany Tehan for 5 days, Tim Carney for 7 years. Then we have Jeanne Rysiewicz who's been missing for 4 months and hasn't been heard from since (she walked away, on her own, from an airport - ducked out and left instead of boarding the plane with her family). Runaway Bride. Audrey Seiler. Kara Alongi. The list goes on and on.

ETA: Debra Miller, Pennsylvania mom, missing 2 weeks in Nov 2012 - found safe, saying she "just needed to get away"
Shannon Tilden, missing Ohio mom Nov 2012, even missed Thanksgiving - found safe
Kate Andres, missing Oregon mother of four - found safe after taking off on her own

I googled "missing mom found safe" and found a whole bunch of them. There were also several moms who took off and went missing WITH their kids, making people worry all the more, and were subsequently found safe after leaving to "get away"

 

[krey]

There had been discussion regarding the possibility of separation according to article linked below.

That was a great article, that I hadn't read before. Thanks for posting the link.

Several things jumped out at me that make me further think GR had nothing to do with this. The sheriff said he's been cooperative, hasn't asked for an attorney, took a polygraph, and gave them permission to search his home. They went over the house with a fine-tooth comb and apparently found nothing, b/c the sheriff said "There is no evidence other than she is missing." No signs of any struggle in the van. A friend who's known GR for 20 years says he's a great guy who would do anything for anybody, and never would have hurt JR. The sheriff says there have been no indications of violence in the marriage.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I don't think GR did anything. I really don't. Whether she ran away, or met with foul play elsewhere, I can't say, but I have a good general feeling that GR did nothing.

Of course, I'm admittedly very easily swayed when faced with facts supporting the other side, so I can't say that I won't change my mind here and there. :blushing: I can def see both sides.

But, to me, GR seems like a good guy - perhaps a little goofy - but a good guy.

Anyone else feel the same??

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I don't think GR did anything. I really don't. Whether she ran away, or met with foul play elsewhere, I can't say, but I have a good general feeling that GR did nothing.

Of course, I'm admittedly very easily swayed when faced with facts supporting the other side, so I can't say that I won't change my mind here and there. :blushing: I can def see both sides.

But, to me, GR seems like a good guy - perhaps a little goofy - but a good guy.

Anyone else feel the same??

I did, but not now.

Even if he had nothing to do with Jennifer's disappearance, his behaviour is wrong. Telling the world he'd given up hope before a week was passed - without even making an appeal. Moving on and flirting with other women within a month. What on earth must the children think?

He may or may not be involved but one thing I'm sure, he is not a "good guy".

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

Three children. Stay-at-home-mother.

How many years have they been married?

Her fb page says they got married in 1999, so like 13-14 years.

From the Daily Star article

In a detailed posting on his Facebook page, Ganesh Ramsaran said he and his wife first dated at a Halloween bonfire celebration Oct. 29, 1994, while both were students at the State University College at New Paltz. Nearly five years later, the two married at Tempe, Ariz., on the campus of Arizona State University.

So nearly 19 years..

 

[enzeder]

I did, but not now.

Even if he had nothing to do with Jennifer's disappearance, his behaviour is wrong. Telling the world he'd given up hope before a week was passed - without even making an appeal. Moving on and flirting with other women within a month. What on earth must the children think?

He may or may not be involved but one thing I'm sure, he is not a "good guy".

BBM ^ Likewise, albeit briefly. It was a longish post I saw that GR made on his FB page very early on in the case which made me feel very uneasy about JR disappearance. (this post was shared with the public by one of his FB friends and I saw it under public posts) He mentioned how he'd filled up the gasoline tank of JR car two days prior for her (going by all the articles I've always thought that JR had told her husband that morning she was going to shop in Syracuse) but it wasn't so much that which made me feel uneasy..it was the tone of the whole post which first set my hinky meter going. IMO

In one of his last postings pertaining to the case, Ganesh Ramsaran recalled that two days before his wife vanished, he visited a local grocery store and filled up the gasoline tank of the minivan that she would use.

Cutting said investigators are trying to corroborate that information.

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1423436202/Officials-seek-leads-on-missing-area-woman

BBM

Ramsaran, of Sheff Road in New Berlin, was last seen by family members on the morning of December 11, 2012 at her home. Ramsaran reportedly told her husband that morning that she was going to Destiny USA to do some shopping.

http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=846570#.UPKbRB17dDQ

Friday, December 14, 2012

Jennifer Ramsaran told her husband Monday she was going to Destiny USA to shop

Read more: http://www.wsyr.com/pages/local.html?feed=125739&article=10641082#ixzz2Hr3RiptS

 

[fringles]

I agree that There are no obvious red flags in their FB correspondence. I'd like to believe that she left of her own accord, and I also feel quite odd about GR reading here- if he has nothing to do with it it must be heartbreaking to read this stuff, and I do feel unsure about carrying on posting, with that knowledge. I know it must be very common for family members to read here - I've seen cases where they post and are supported by and supportive of this site, but in this case that's not happening- I can see why, on his end, and I suppose if I were a friend of his I'd suggest that he don't read here, as it must be very upsetting. Easier said than done I imagine.

With all this said....

With the release of the info about the marriage, about the online correspondence, the friend in the UK, I wonder why some facts that would be hugely helpful to the timeline are not being discussed. I assume they must be being kept close by request of LE.

- is there any evidence that JR made it to the mall? if the car was recently filled with gas that might not be so hard to work out.

- was she known to be carrying any cash? Does she often carry cash?

- was there any known reason why she might stop off in norwich?

- is there any suspicion that this is not the first time she met up with someone she met online?

I don't think this woman was dumb. She has a relatively active online presence, and children- in other words I think she would definitely have been aware of the possible risks in online friendships. I think, ESPECIALLY if she herself had been lying to people she met online, she would arrange to meet someone somewhere safe. Have coffee shops etc in Norwich been questioned? Do the family know of any favourite cafes of JRs in Norwich where she may have arranged a meeting?


And a general question for locals:

- is rt 23 a busy road? For instance, if this was a carjacking, would it be likely someone would drive past and notice a car pulled over?

Finally, I wonder why she would arrange a meeting in Norwich at all. It's a nearby town to her home. By the looks of things the family were not hermits, and I would've thought it possible if not likely that she would run into someone she knew. If she told her husband she was going to Syracuse, why not meet this person there- far less chance of being spotted. And if she took off alone, then if she wasn't expected home for some hours, and her gas tank was full, why not drive further?

 

[enzeder]

Just a few questions that I have.

If she left mid morning to head to Syracuse to shop, did she have a guestimate of what time she would be home?

Was she to pick up the children from school or was Ganesh goign to do so in her absence? Or do they take a bus?

From what I understand, the police were called around 8 p.m. to report her missing.

I find it odd that there was even discussion from her husband about filling her car with gas. It's not like she was driving to Florida, she was heading to a mall an hour or so away.

IMO, there would be more of a chance for her to be randomly attacked by a robber or rapist than to plan on meeting an internet love interest and then harmed. (not that it doesn't happen but talk about bad luck!) And since there is no sign of bank or credit card usage or a vehicle missing or a sign of a struggle in her van, I sort of have ruled out that theory.

BBM ^ I too found that odd. See my post above regarding GR filling up the gas tank two days prior. It appears to me, going by the abovementioned articles, that JR only told her husband she was going to shop in Destiny that morning so why would he being going on about how he filled the tank for her two days beforehand?. IMO

 

[Orgona]

Enzeder, may I ask why do you find it strange that GR filled up JR's car two days prior to that he would even know JR would go to Syracuse on the day of her disappearance? I and everybody I know fills up the gasoline tank when it indicates that it needs gasoline, not because we're planning to go somewhere far. If one fills it completely then one doesn't have to bother with it for a while.

I do think GR mentioned it to suggest JR could have drove far away, indicating she had the means to run far away from home.

The flirting and coloring himself as the good guy to the women he is flirting with while his wife is missing, bothers me too. Of course none of it is a crime.

 

[fringles]

BBM ^ I too found that odd. See my post above regarding GR filling up the gas tank two days prior. It appears to me, going by the abovementioned articles, that JR only told her husband she was going to shop in Destiny that morning so why would he being going on about how he filled the tank for her two days beforehand?. IMO

Yep I think that's weird too. All I can think is that there is a question being asked, that were not aware of, that this statement is an answer to. I've been trying to think what that question could be.

 

[fringles]

Enzeder, may I ask why do you find it strange that GR filled up JR's car two days prior to that he would even know JR would go to Syracuse on the day of her disappearance? I and everybody I know fills up the gasoline tank when it indicates that it needs gasoline, not because we're planning to go somewhere far. If one fills it completely then one doesn't have to bother with it for a while.

I do think GR mentioned it to suggest JR could have drove far away, indicating she had the means to run far away from home.

The flirting and coloring himself as the good guy to the women he is flirting with while his wife is missing, bothers me too. Of course none of it is a crime.

Aha! Did he release this statement before or after they found the car?

 

[enzeder]

Enzeder, may I ask why do you find it strange that GR filled up JR's car two days prior to that he would even know JR would go to Syracuse on the day of her disappearance? I and everybody I know fills up the gasoline tank when it indicates that it needs gasoline, not because we're planning to go somewhere far. If one fills it completely then one doesn't have to bother with it for a while.

I do think GR mentioned it to suggest JR could have drove far away, indicating she had the means to run far away from home.

The flirting and coloring himself as the good guy to the women he is flirting with while his wife is missing, bothers me too. Of course none of it is a crime.

Because the way I read the post it was filled for the trip. IMO

 

[fringles]

Aha! Did he release this statement before or after they found the car?

Quoting myself, sorry. After, as far as I can see.

First mention of gas I can find, 19th:
http://m.thedailystar.com/site?targ...-on-missing-area-woman/print&webredirect=true

First car found I can find, 17th:
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2012-12-17/16479/Missing-womans-car-found-in-Norwich/

My theory, then, is that this statement was released in response to someone asking 'why, if she was running away, would she fill the car with gas and then dump it?'

GR would then be explaining that it was he who filled it, not JR. From this, I would theorise that the car was still full of gas and that thus we can assume she didn't drive further than Norwich?

All MOO. and just a theory.

 

[Portabella]

BBM ^ Likewise.

I found yet another psychic page on FB as well where KF and GR are posting and commenting. There are two admins for the page; KF being one of them. Interesting reading. I've taken screenshots.

Can you possibly give us a hint on how to find this site so we may also read what you are seeing? Thank you

Can someone also let me know what the initials KF stand for....would highly appreciate it. I went back to refresh and cannot see a full name just KF....thank you...

 

[Orgona]

Because the way I read the post it was filled for the trip. IMO

I only read the article posted and in there I can't see anything indicating being specifically for that purpose. I haven't seen the facebook message, though.

Fringles, indeed it could be that too. I guess it all depends on when was it really said the first time.

 

[enzeder]

Quoting myself, sorry. After, as far as I can see.

First mention of gas I can find, 19th:
http://m.thedailystar.com/site?targ...-on-missing-area-woman/print&webredirect=true

First car found I can find, 17th:
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2012-12-17/16479/Missing-womans-car-found-in-Norwich/

My theory, then, is that this statement was released in response to someone asking 'why, if she was running away, would she fill the car with gas and then dump it?'

GR would then be explaining that it was he who filled it, not JR. From this, I would theorise that the car was still full of gas and that thus we can assume she didn't drive further than Norwich?

All MOO. and just a theory.

Here's where I posted about the GR post in question which mentions filling up the car with gas. I could only refer others how to read it and it doesn't show up under public posts any longer but you can see the date I made the post when I first saw it.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NY NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012

 

[fringles]

Here's where I posted about the GR post in question which mentions filling up the car with gas. I could only refer others how to read it and it doesn't show up under public posts any longer but you can see the date I made the post when I first saw it.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NY NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012

So it was on the 16th he mentioned the gas? I guess that's right around the time the car was discovered.

Here's an article on the 16th saying the car was found.. http://cnynews.com/vehicle-of-missing-jennifer-ramsaran-found-in-norwich/

 

[enzeder]

Quoting myself, sorry. After, as far as I can see.

First mention of gas I can find, 19th:
http://m.thedailystar.com/site?targ...-on-missing-area-woman/print&webredirect=true

First car found I can find, 17th:
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2012-12-17/16479/Missing-womans-car-found-in-Norwich/

My theory, then, is that this statement was released in response to someone asking 'why, if she was running away, would she fill the car with gas and then dump it?'

GR would then be explaining that it was he who filled it, not JR. From this, I would theorise that the car was still full of gas and that thus we can assume she didn't drive further than Norwich?

All MOO. and just a theory.

BBM ^ ...and a good one too

 

[Jilllian]

Have their been any press conferences? Usually SOMEONE in the family gives a press conference, don't they? The husband or the parents. Even if they think she took off, wouldn't they want to go on tv and say "Jennifer, please call home", or if they think she's in danger, appeal to someone to let her go? Saying that she's a loved wife and mother and her children are missing her?

I mean, I just don't get it. I think if we can figure out WHY everyone is being so quiet, we can figure out what it is that everyone thinks happened to her. Surely there's a main theory among those close to her, and I would expect that there would be a different strategy for each scenario (in terms of searching for her, and what to release to the public).

This is very odd. Unless her family and friends know she's dead, then why not hold a press conference?

The silence makes everything more suspicious, IMO.

 

[Jilllian]

I don't think you can use fb as a barometer for how a marriage is doing. I've seen distant friends pages that made me think they were happily married, and they were in the middle of a nasty divorce. And even if she did post stuff in the moment, it's very easy to delete that stuff afterwards. Same with family and friends, some people prefer to keep their relationship troubles private and don't tell family/friends what's going on until they absolutely have to.

....like friending and defriending GR on FB, which JR has done in the past.

I would never air any dirty laundry on my FB page, and by all appearances on FB, my life seems pretty darn perfect. Of course it's not, but to an outsider, it appears that way. Not that I want to perceive my life as perfect, but I keep personal conflicts within my family very private. Perhaps this was the case with GR and JR?

 

[Jilllian]

And a general question for locals:

- is rt 23 a busy road? For instance, if this was a carjacking, would it be likely someone would drive past and notice a car pulled over?

Finally, I wonder why she would arrange a meeting in Norwich at all. It's a nearby town to her home. By the looks of things the family were not hermits, and I would've thought it possible if not likely that she would run into someone she knew. If she told her husband she was going to Syracuse, why not meet this person there- far less chance of being spotted. And if she took off alone, then if she wasn't expected home for some hours, and her gas tank was full, why not drive further?

~ respectfully snipped

Route 23 is a rural road, and not busy. It pretty much connects one rural town to another. Two lane road. Yes, it's likely that someone would have notice a car pulled over. I see it all the time. But Jennifer's car was found in a parking lot off of Route 23, not on Route 23 itself.

The "why not drive further" is a good question.

I'm beginning to think that maybe she met someone at those apartments, but I'm sure LE has already looked into it since it would seem to be obvious. Some local crimes occur by residents there.