Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #10

[Jilllian]

Oh I thought that was taking me to the justice for jennifer page. I see they have taken the flyer made by that page. I'm sure the Justice for Jennifer page wouldn't mind, but its only polite to ask is it not?:what:

Nope, Lola ~ Don't mind at all! Especially the MAP part of it. And I wasn't expecting manners, considering the source.

Can't wait for an alcohol-fueled celebration once an arrest is made!

:Banane35:


ETA (thanks again for the map, Ace)

 

[Jilllian]

It’s nice of them to use the Justice for Jennifer Ramsaran poster on their site … but that timeline?

"Timeline as presented to and by Law Enforcement"

Just another attempt to show LE support of their story/timeline - I never saw LE present this timeline
Just like LE supposedly took down the JFJ FB page
Just like they didn't have info about Jen changing her hair colour written on their own missing posters
And just like LE telling GR it was okay to go and search for the phone on his own

Very odd that a "timeline as presented TO and BY Law Enforcement" would be provided directly to a blogging site and a FB page, as opposed to MSM, no? :what:

 

[Jilllian]

http://jenniferramsaran.blogspot.com.au/p/blog-page_27.html

Interesting timeline there - "Presented to and by LE" - Funny I don't remember LE releasing much info at all let alone a whole timeline. Perhaps I missed it though?
I'm confused by the section where it says LE gave permission to GR to go search for the phone. Has this happened before, that LE have given a potential POI permission to go and collect evidence?

BBM

:silly:

Following that logic, the conversation must have gone something like this:

GR to LE: "Hey guys. Hmmmm...Just thinkin'. The phone's not pinging around here, but I bet if I leave, it might ping when I'm alone looking for it next to a rock and a soft pile of mud somewhere. I dunno *where*, but I could go check it out since y'all are so busy. Whaddya guys think?"

LE to GR: "Yeah. Sure. No prob. Go check that out for us, will ya? Let us know whatcha' find."

{the next day}

GR to LE: "See! Look! I found it! Told ya' so!"

LE to GR: "Shocker."

:jail:

 

[LolaAngelina]

Very odd that a "timeline as presented TO and BY Law Enforcement" would be provided directly to a blogging site and a FB page, as opposed to MSM, no? :what:

Yep exactly! And how can it be "TO and FROM"? It's one or the other, and if presented "TO" LE, who presented it? GR? I think the impression they are trying to give is "GR provided this timeline/story and LE agreed with it all and are now presenting it".
I wouldn't think LE would be too happy with a statement/timeline being posted on a blog as being presented by them.
I would think usually when LE provide information/make statements about a case it is done through MSM.
I couldn't remember who did that map, so thanks Ace!

 

[Jilllian]

Yep exactly! And how can it be "TO and FROM"? It's one or the other, and if presented "TO" LE, who presented it? GR? I think the impression they are trying to give is "GR provided this timeline/story and LE agreed with it all and are now presenting it".
I wouldn't think LE would be too happy with a statement/timeline being posted on a blog as being presented by them.
I would think usually when LE provide information/make statements about a case it is done through MSM.
I couldn't remember who did that map, so thanks Ace!

That's what it says to me. As if it was provided by GR and company, and then "approved" by LE.

Maybe since it's quoted as such, Mr. Mahoney could look into this.

 

[nursebeeme]

Oh I thought that was taking me to the justice for jennifer page. I see they have taken the flyer made by that page. I'm sure the Justice for Jennifer page wouldn't mind, but its only polite to ask is it not?:what:

generally if you take something from someone else and use it on your page you LINK to it or source it.

was not done there.

 

[cluciano63]

What a load of BS. (The timeline "presentation,etc.)

 

[nursebeeme]

the other thing I found very interesting was that on the blog site timeline they claim Jennifer's phone was "off"

off?

how would they know that?

It either pinged when he apped it or it did not. There is no in between here.


A phone with a charged battery will still ping even if it is off.

(iirc)

 

[nursebeeme]

excellent flier by the way with the overlay of distances and radius. It was very insightful.

 

[LolaAngelina]

generally if you take something from someone else and use it on your page you LINK to it or source it.

was not done there.

Yes its nice to see that that page is finally posting something about Jennifer's case, having been fairly quiet since Jennifer was found.
I would think at very least a "Thankyou Justice for Jennifer Ramsaran for the flier and WS member Ace for the map"
Instead of down the bottom of the blog "poster designed by facebook citizens"

 

[Janeumayer]

http://jenniferramsaran.blogspot.com.au/p/blog-page_27.html

Interesting timeline there - "Presented to and by LE" - Funny I don't remember LE releasing much info at all let alone a whole timeline. Perhaps I missed it though?
I'm confused by the section where it says LE gave permission to GR to go search for the phone. Has this happened before, that LE have given a potential POI permission to go and collect evidence?

I am sure LE told him to go cause he was being followed. Wonder if he just sped right to the spot without pretending to be following the application?

 

[nursebeeme]

Yes its nice to see that that page is finally posting something about Jennifer's case, having been fairly quiet since Jennifer was found.
I would think at very least a "Thankyou Justice for Jennifer Ramsaran for the flier and WS member Ace for the map"
Instead of down the bottom of the blog "poster designed by facebook citizens"

I saw a removed comment from j4j saying thanks or something like that for posting the flier and it was removed after I glanced at it.

like poof it was gone.

 

[Jilllian]

the other thing I found very interesting was that on the blog site timeline they claim Jennifer's phone was "off"

off?

how would they know that?

It either pinged when he apped it or it did not. There is no in between here.


A phone with a charged battery will still ping even if it is off.

(iirc)

maybe it really was turned off, and that just slipped out as other things have, (and will probably be deleted as has been par for the course).

turned off by GR while it remained in the house until he planted it near that rock, hypothetically speaking.

that would in his mind solidify his story as to why Jen never answered his many texts and calls he allegedly made to her while she would have been driving in an area that had no cell service.

eace:

 

[nursebeeme]

That's what it says to me. As if it was provided by GR and company, and then "approved" by LE.

Maybe since it's quoted as such, Mr. Mahoney could look into this.

was Mr. Mahoney the one who first reported on the hair color stuff? I cannot recall...

I am pretty sure that he will have more in his notes (or whatever reporter got this info) about what was said and when.

I am sure LE is five steps ahead on this.:twocents:

 

[LolaAngelina]

the other thing I found very interesting was that on the blog site timeline they claim Jennifer's phone was "off"

off?

how would they know that?

It either pinged when he apped it or it did not. There is no in between here.


A phone with a charged battery will still ping even if it is off.

(iirc)

Yes Nurse, this also stood out to me. Its says "appeared to be off". Why would you assume that just because it went to voicemail? It could be any of many things - the phone was on but had no coverage, the phone was on but Jen had the ringer on silent and didnt hear it, she was supposed to be in a shopping centre for some time that day, so she may have been busy shopping and didnt hear it, she may have left her phone in one of the shops, she could have also seen the caller id come up and choose to ignore the call (wouldn't blame her!).
Saying it appeared to be off, is almost like someone had the phone in their possession so knew it was off :facepalm:

 

[LolaAngelina]

I am sure LE told him to go cause he was being followed. Wonder if he just sped right to the spot without pretending to be following the application?

Yes good point Jane, that would make sense why they would let him go on his own

 

[Jilllian]

I saw a removed comment from j4j saying thanks or something like that for posting the flier and it was removed after I glanced at it.

like poof it was gone.

it's still there, nurse.

 

[Caring4Many]

the other thing I found very interesting was that on the blog site timeline they claim Jennifer's phone was "off"

off?

how would they know that?

It either pinged when he apped it or it did not. There is no in between here.


A phone with a charged battery will still ping even if it is off.

(iirc)

IMO the entire "find my phone" app story is a line of bull. I uploaded that app & used it on my phone with all the idevices in my family. (4phones & 2 ipads). If the phone battery dies it will tell you where it was when it died & what time. If it is turned off, it will show for awhile where it was when turned off. I say awhile as I had my son was helping me test it & didn't leave his phone off for hours so can't say what it would do after that.
Just seems like the story given doesn't match how the app itself works.

 

[nursebeeme]

maybe it really was turned off, and that just slipped out as other things have, (and will probably be deleted as has been par for the course).

turned off by GR while it remained in the house until he planted it near that rock, hypothetically speaking.

that would in his mind solidify his story as to why Jen never answered his many texts and calls he allegedly made to her while she would have been driving in an area that had no cell service.

eace:

regardless of off or on, if the battery had life to ping. But why now say the phone is off? Why not say it went to voice mail, etc? There is no way he knew the phone was off. Heck, her VM box could have been full.

Also... I note the admission of the time of the 911 call. That is VERY early to call...esp considering how far the alleged drive was. Have we ever had a scanner thread for Jen? if not we could start one in the parking lot. (discussion is not allowed upstairs) We have scanner peeps that can do rewinds.

 

[nursebeeme]

it's still there, nurse.

dang! either my eyes are deceiving me or it was unapproved and then reapproved???? strange:what: