Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #12

[zwiebel]

It's my personal belief that GR would do anything at this point to stop us hearing what Solus and Upstate have to say. And his attorney too.

 

[zwiebel]

Solus, imo GR had planned Jen's murder for a minimum of two days, due to topping her fuel tank off with gas. Imo, GR chummed the water & planted the seeds of suspicion that Jen intentionally walked away to begin a new life..not a crime..

Imo, his intent was to paint her disappearance as an abduction/murder by a sexual predator/s, as a result of a carjacking.
Imo, one of the primary reasons that his ruse failed is that it was too well planned; too perfect.
Where would he have gained the information and knowledge of investigative procedures and strategies to lay out such a plan, in your opinion?

I think many of us here would know where to get that kind of information. I do wonder if there was a specific case making the news, or maybe a documentary on TV around the relevant time that provided inspiration. I have searched a little, but not found anything obvious so far.

I'm very interested in internet research though. I don't think for one moment GR would have searched topics such as 'wife murder' or 'accused wife killer found not guilty' on his own computer. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he made those searches somewhere though. I get the feeling he may have had a lot of access to a lot of computers though, and could have used someone else's without them having any idea. Even 20 mins in an internet cafe somewhere on his travels could have done the trick. LE think Jennifer was killed at home so I doubt there have been any searches for evidence on routes GR took when he travelled away from home.

This is purely opinion, but I also think GR may have confided what he had done to someone he was sure had the same moral values as himself, and would understand and could be relied upon to never, ever talk. And they may have advised him. I don't think that person will ever be revealed though, and I don't think they had anything to do with the actual murder of Jennifer.

 

[Abigail]

RSBM - This small example - the postage receipt,could also be explained by the fact that Jenn has a very close cousin in England, she could possibly have sent a christmas present around that period to ensure it arrived on time.

Once again we are hearing what GR wants us to hear.

Well, that's just it. We have something GR wants us to hear, and, maybe it's just an outright lie, but more likely there's some truth in it, probably some innocent action, but he's twisting it around to try to paint Jennifer in a bad light. So, when we receive that information, we can analyze it, and apply other knowledge and put that information in it's proper context.

Just like you just did by reminding us that Jennifer would have had a perfectly innocent reason to post a Christmas present to her cousin in England.

 

[marlywings]

I thought the process of making someone a verified insider meant to proof that person is/was close to the case and/or to the persons directly involved in a case.
No one ever said we have to take the info relayed by the verified insider as a gospel
Is up to everyone of us if we want to discuss that information or leave it.

Through the posts of Solus we can have some sort of insight into the mind and the manipulation technics of GR. Solus, or any other verified insider can only relay what he/she experienced, heard, was told by GR, ES. I also sense Solus doesn't believe anymore everything that was said and is already evaluating, seeing the things and happenings in different light than before.
I for one am happy we can have a peek behind the curtains so to speak.

I don't think Solus is attempting to paint Jennifer in an unfavorable light. Nothing I read about her made me feel less about Jennifer, just the opposite. Reading what went on behind Jennifer's back, made me feel even more for her. Made me want justice even more for her.

Jumping off your post Orgona...the bolded is absolutely correct.

If members do not appreciate the input of a "verified" member, treat it as you would any other poster. Take the information or leave it.

 

[Abigail]

I think many of us here would know where to get that kind of information. I do wonder if there was a specific case making the news, or maybe a documentary on TV around the relevant time that provided inspiration. I have searched a little, but not found anything obvious so far.

I'm very interested in internet research though. I don't think for one moment GR would have searched topics such as 'wife murder' or 'accused wife killer found not guilty' on his own computer. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he made those searches somewhere though. I get the feeling he may have had a lot of access to a lot of computers though, and could have used someone else's without them having any idea. Even 20 mins in an internet cafe somewhere on his travels could have done the trick. LE think Jennifer was killed at home so I doubt there have been any searches for evidence on routes GR took when he travelled away from home.

This is purely opinion, but I also think GR may have confided what he had done to someone he was sure had the same moral values as himself, and would understand and could be relied upon to never, ever talk. And they may have advised him. I don't think that person will ever be revealed though, and I don't think they had anything to do with the actual murder of Jennifer.

If Jen's murder was premeditated, how long was it premeditated? I agree he wouldn't be stupid enough to leave anything incriminating on his own computer. If we go back to early November, it could have been somewhere when he was on his trip away from home for the marathon.

I don't think there's any internet cafes in Norwich (plus people would recognize him there). But he could do a quick trip down to Binghamton -- use the computer at one of the public libraries, and I think there may also be internet cafes in downtown Binghamton or around SUNY. Another possibility is that they went down to Yonkers to see his folks on the Thanksgiving holiday, so he could have used his parents' computer or an internet cafe in that neighborhood ("I'm heading out for a run -- be back in an hour" -- no one would think anything about it).

What would he research? Well, my theory is he may have manipulated Jen's meds (or throw a new med in) so as to render her unconscious (where he could easily smother her without leaving a mark). So...he'd need to look up her meds and dosages and what other drugs might have a fatal interaction with her meds. He may have also researched epilepsy meds, since he would have had access to them.

As far as where and how Jen's body was left, he may have simply relied on local knowlege he already had in hand -- such as, the Plymouth Loop trailhead is right there on Center Road, and I'll bet he's done runs there. He'd have heard about the sex offenders on Rte 23 and the nefarious reputation of Plank Road Manor from locals. Probably also that unsolved murder on One Eye Road (although he may have looked that one up for details). He may have looked up hunting season dates.

I agree that if GR thought he'd got away with murder it would be hard for him not to confide in someone he thought he could trust to keep a secret.

 

[imamaze]

ES is not sleuthable at this point. She has pretty much kept herself out of the media. The only thing discussable is what has been put in the media, and the fact that she and GR did have an affair.

If you have any questions you can pm me or any of our Mods, happy to help!

Ima

 

[voominvava]

My theory is now that GR was out of town and Jenn and ES had some heart to hearts and ES decided to break it off with GR. GR becomes enraged at JR for messing things up. I think he really meant 'they' got to ES not JR and she ended the affair. Why would he care if 'they' got to Jenn? He didn't care about her anymore, he wanted ES.

I took it to mean that friends and family of JR were advising her not to give into him too easily and to fight for her kids, the house, etc. Others were probably helping her learn about her rights as a mother and wife. I'm betting she went to a lawyer, in order to get her own and not share one with GR (as he probably suggested) , so she was not railroaded by him.

That is how I read "got their claws into her". GR really thought he had JR wrapped up and controlled, and when he realized he didn't, we'll someone was to blame.

 

[Sharoneonta]

OT: My apologies.

Jumping off your post Orgona...the bolded is absolutely correct.

If members do not appreciate the input of a "verified" member, treat it as you would any other poster. Take the information or leave it.

In the same vein I feel that if an insider is questioned for clarification it's sometimes taken personally. We're sleuthing, many of us skeptical by nature, it's not personal.

 

[upstate]

Question for Solus & Upstate:
Is it true that GR ran over Jenn with his vehicle in front of his oldest daughter as stated in Joe Mahoney's article? If this is true, is this why Jenn had pins in her legs? Also, is it true that GR & ES were witnessed in a hot tub together at the YMCA, as stated by the girl on TV outside the courthouse? Further, what happened to Jenn's dog Buster who died the week before Mother's Day? Also, if GR was filing for divorce, what lawyer or law firm was he using? Also, if GR's parents really care about him, how come they were not present in the courtroom when he was sentenced? To me it looks like they don't want anything to do with him.

:facepalm:

I couldn't get past your first sentence --I thought it was clarified that what Mahoney reported was, "The oldest daughter talked down/back talked/sassed" No he didn't run them over with a car.

I would have no way of knowing if GR's parent's care about him -- as a parent, I would guess his parent's love him and will support his as best as they can

 

[epiphany]

Also many times since December 11th GR would mention that he shouldn't have stopped for the Marine Corps races in VA, after he had left my house. That he should have gone straight home.

He stated "That is when they got their claws into her". I think something happened during that time period that may be important.

Respectfully BBM

IMO, "they" most likely refers to Jen's parents who probably guided her or even insisted that she set up an appointment with a divorce attorney, as well as presented to her the real reason behind why he might be seeking a "divorce" (another woman), and who the OW likely was (her BFF).

Her parents did not leave the NY area until just after Thanksgiving (VI RickBlaine).

 

[rickblaine]

Respectfully BBM

IMO, "they" most likely refers to Jen's parents who probably guided her or even insisted that she set up an appointment with a divorce attorney, as well as presented to her the real reason behind why he might be seeking a "divorce" (another woman), and who the OW likely was (her BFF).

Her parents did not leave the NY area until just after Thanksgiving (VI RickBlaine).

They actually left very near mid October. I had corrected that in a subsequent post and apologized for the error...

 

[upstate]

Respectfully BBM

IMO, "they" most likely refers to Jen's parents who probably guided her or even insisted that she set up an appointment with a divorce attorney, as well as presented to her the real reason behind why he might be seeking a "divorce" (another woman), and who the OW likely was (her BFF).

Her parents did not leave the NY area until just after Thanksgiving (VIRickBlaine).

I also have suspected GR was speaking of the girls at the art studio Jen spent time at in New Berlin

 

[epiphany]

I also have suspected GR was speaking of the girls at the art studio Jen spent time at in New Berlin

Would it be accurate to think that "the girls" would be exclusively Jen's friends, meaning they had no past long-term connection to GR? IOW, GR would not be able to "influence" them as he could other friends Jen and he shared/had in common.

 

[NancyGracesBangs]

Flowers and faxes and Facebook (oh my)

Not to sound flippant over such a serious topic but it's been about one week and I finally reached the last post in the latest thread.

1. I am humbled and amazed by the posters on this site and the sincere passion that jumped off the posts in this lovely lady's threads.

2. My heart goes out to those that know or knew the people involved in this horrible crime. IMO, you were betrayed by Jennifer's husband. He may have been a friend but he was also a manipulator and it must be very difficult to wrap your heads around the fact that he was not who you thought he was.

3. My deepest condolences to Jennifer's family and children. My heart breaks for them; this should never had happened but after following such tragic stories such as this over the years, I'm sad to say I'm not surprised.

4. Those individuals such as the perpetrator in this crime would never consider anything BUT "winning." In this case, he wanted it all, poor Jennifer to have none and if eliminating her was a means to his end then so be it. Doesn't matter that she was considering a divorce and essentially that is what he wanted so he could be with someone else. Doesn't matter that Jennifer may have met someone (I don't believe this personally) and that would be a perfect "out" for him to be with the woman he was having an affair with. Every scenario still leads to the possibility of his not getting EVERYTHING and that is what his goal was. This is a person who wakes up with "I" on the mind and goes to sleep with "I" on the mind. The only way that this individual could attain everything he "deserved" (said with dripping sarcasm) would be if Jennifer was eliminated.

5. See #1. It bears repeating.

 

[upstate]

Would it be accurate to think that "the girls" would be exclusively Jen's friends, meaning they had no past long-term connection to GR? IOW, GR would not be able to "influence" them as he could other friends Jen and he shared/had in common.

Yes, that would be very accurate

 

[epiphany]

Yes, that would be very accurate

Thanks, upstate.

...their claws into her.

...predators are evil.

The irony is rich.

 

[Jilllian]

If Jen's murder was premeditated, how long was it premeditated? I agree he wouldn't be stupid enough to leave anything incriminating on his own computer. If we go back to early November, it could have been somewhere when he was on his trip away from home for the marathon. I don't think there's any internet cafes in Norwich (plus people would recognize him there). But he could do a quick trip down to Binghamton -- use the computer at one of the public libraries, and I think there may also be internet cafes in downtown Binghamton or around SUNY.

Easier still would be for him to use the computers in the dozens of public libraries not far from home (South New Berlin, New Berlin, Norwich, Sidney, Gilbertsville, Oxford, Sherburne, Morris, Edmeston, Unadilla, Cooperstown, etc.)

 

[Abigail]

Easier still would be for him to use the computers in the dozens of public libraries not far from home (South New Berlin, New Berlin, Norwich, Sidney, Gilbertsville, Oxford, Sherburne, Morris, Edmeston, Unadilla, Cooperstown, etc.)

I thought about the public libraries near home, but was thinking he might go further afield so as not to be recognized. If he went to one near his home, he'd likely run into someone he knew, or, even if they didn't know him, they might likely remember him, as there aren't many people of color in his area. But, yes, maybe out to Oxford or Cooperstown, a little further out. Down in Binghamton, there's a number of Asians in the area around SUNY and in certain areas downtown where those old homes are being converted to student housing. He'd be less likely to be noticed/remembered.

 

[Abigail]

I took it to mean that friends and family of JR were advising her not to give into him too easily and to fight for her kids, the house, etc. Others were probably helping her learn about her rights as a mother and wife. I'm betting she went to a lawyer, in order to get her own and not share one with GR (as he probably suggested) , so she was not railroaded by him.

That is how I read "got their claws into her". GR really thought he had JR wrapped up and controlled, and when he realized he didn't, we'll someone was to blame.

Precisely -- it may have been her parents, the girls at the art studio (as Upstate suggested), her online friends, but while GR was out of town (after he sent a text to Jen he wanted a divorce -- :stormingmadJen most likely reached out for support.

"They" interfered with his Plan A -- to get a divorce where he would keep the house and kids, and just simply remove her from the picture.

And when "they got their clutches into her" -- he was forced to go to Plan B (murder) to achieve his ends.

So...is he throwing the blame for Jen's murder on them?? Even though he committed the act, "they" forced his hand?

And...in his twisted thinking...have "they" now become the actual murderers?

 

[upstate]

OT: My apologies.



In the same vein I feel that if an insider is questioned for clarification it's sometimes taken personally. We're sleuthing, many of us skeptical by nature, it's not personal.

Or vice versa -- it is blatantly clear we are just trying to figure out how someone could so selfishly steal this beautiful person away from her loved ones. We aren't implying that we know anything, we are just repeating what was said and by whom.

I can only speak for myself, but everything I post here IS ONLY GR's and ES's version of what happen and I can't change that. I think some are confused, they think we are posting as facts and we aren't. We are just forwarding the words that GR and ES use in hopes to arrive at what happen to Jen. I have never claimed to know anything of substance (quite opposite actually), so maybe someone can clear up what you expect from us as a VI? I'm sure you'll be very disappointed because I ended up being a VI because of how close I have become to Jen's family and I will never post anything that they have confided in me (my last sentence isn't directed at you Sharon, it is just in general)

We are all fighting for the same thing here, so I get frustrated when some lash out at us like we are trying to paint a pretty picture of GR because that is not the case!