Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 3

[krey]

You need to read his full response to it on his FB page. Yes, his ring finger swelled and they cut it off, but he did get a replacement. His fingers were later injured and would swell off and on so his ring was worn around a chain on his neck and sometimes not...sometimes would wear it on his finger when it was not aggravating. My own husband does not wear a wedding band....never has. He hates the feeling of a ring on his finger...and doesn't wear a watch for the same reason.

Speaking of rings, I asked upthread but you probably didn't see it. Were Jennifer's wedding rings found in the home?? Thanks.

As for GR's wedding band, I'm not sure I understand your explanation given ES's implication that he wasn't wearing one due to it having been cut off b/c of swelling from bee stings, but I'll agree to disagree.

 

[krey]

You need to read his full response to it on his FB page. Yes, his ring finger swelled and they cut it off, but he did get a replacement. His fingers were later injured and would swell off and on so his ring was worn around a chain on his neck and sometimes not...sometimes would wear it on his finger when it was not aggravating. My own husband does not wear a wedding band....never has. He hates the feeling of a ring on his finger...and doesn't wear a watch for the same reason.

Also, just fyi.... I'm unable to read his full response on his own page, because it's not public.

 

[MissieMt]

I'm amazed by the number of different stories we're seeing regarding his ring. Between this forum and the comment, I'm counting at least 4 different versions. Everybody seems to think they are the one who knows the real truth regarding his ring.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

With all due respect, I indicated the children were being visited by GR's parents as often as they could make the trip from downstate.

JR's parents also see the children, but not as often as they would like.

I believe that is what I said, RB. That the children see their grandparents next door. They go back and forth. I made no mention of GR's parents and the children..except that GR's Parents ALSO visited with Jenn's parents the other night. I cannot answer to "as often as they would like" because I've not talked with both of Jenn's parents nor her father since last month. I do know that GR is not holding the children against their grandparents.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I'm amazed by the number of different stories we're seeing regarding his ring. Between this forum and the comment, I'm counting at least 4 different versions. Everybody seems to think they are the one who knows the real truth regarding his ring.

I guess I am missing the question? JR had an initial wedding ring that he was married in. He was stung multiple times with bees and his ring finger swelled and they cut his ring off at the hospital. Photos taken and were on FB from what I understand. He went without for a period of time after. Then he got another wedding ring (2 separate rings)....and he injured his fingers (more than one) on his left hand and from that point on it would swell and cause aggravation...so he wore his ring (2nd one) sometimes on a chain, sometimes not on a chain....sometimes back on his hand.....sometimes not on his hand. A ring is not necessarily an indication that someone loves or doesn't love someone, is married or is not married. ( I gave example of my husband who has never worn a ring.)

 

[dillysmom11]

Originally Posted by Lavanda Dolce
Yes. And was even after...until a person posing as a private investigator for families of missing stepped into the family. (Via a FB posting to Jennifer's sister.) Of which it has been found since the person is not licensed nor skilled in the area of missing. LE is aware. GR is speaking with them about providing the family (of Jennifer) with a list of qualified/experienced licensed private investigators, willing to work pro-bono, that I am happy to provide them should their wishes be to continue forth with a private investigator.

Am I not understanding this correctly? JR's family has or has not hired a PI?

GR has or has not hired a PI? If not, why?

 

[MissieMt]

Lavonda, to your knowledge has GR contacted ANY agency which performs physical searches? And if not, why?

Sorry for quoting myself. I'm not sure if this question was maybe accidentally overlooked by Lavonda?
RB could you possibly answer this?

 

[dillysmom11]

I guess I am missing the question? JR had an initial wedding ring that he was married in. He was stung multiple times with bees and his ring finger swelled and they cut his ring off at the hospital. Photos taken and were on FB from what I understand. He went without for a period of time after. Then he got another wedding ring (2 separate rings)....and he injured his fingers (more than one) on his left hand and from that point on it would swell and cause aggravation...so he wore his ring (2nd one) sometimes on a chain, sometimes not on a chain....sometimes back on his hand.....sometimes not on his hand. A ring is not necessarily an indication that someone loves or doesn't love someone, is married or is not married. ( I gave example of my husband who has never worn a ring.)

And this all occurred from May 2012, to the present? IIRC in the photo of GR and ES at the race for epilepsy, he was wearing his ring.

 

[dillysmom11]

You clipped part of my response. My complete response was "not as long as my advice will be taken."...and also that GR is in agreement. The children and their grandparent visitation is not an issue. I am not super woman and I do not have powers....I cannot control what may or may not have down the road. All I know is that the door is open for the children and their grandparents.

As far as you know, from what GR is telling you alone. Since you haven't spoken to JR's parents since last month, correct? TIA.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Sorry for quoting myself. I'm not sure if this question was maybe accidentally overlooked by Lavonda?
RB could you possibly answer this?

Sorry. Yes, I did not see your question. No. GR has not contacted any agency to do a search. LE has not given any indication at this time to us, or the public, that foul play occurred, forensic tests have not been completed and due to some of the background with the investigative processes we are looking for a living Jennifer. LE still has Jennifer's case deemed a missing person. They have not named her case one of suspicious of foul play, nor foul play. We will leave the efforts to form a search with Cue as they are the experts on searches. Should the case change to one of foul play, we will still rest our hopes on CUE as again, they are the experts. If they do not want to do the searches, or if LE doesn't grant them, then we follow guidance by LE and their team to conduct searches.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

As far as you know, from what GR is telling you alone. Since you haven't spoken to JR's parents since last month, correct? TIA.

Not just GR. We also work direct with LE and speak to many friends and other family members.

 

[MissieMt]

I guess I am missing the question? JR had an initial wedding ring that he was married in. He was stung multiple times with bees and his ring finger swelled and they cut his ring off at the hospital. Photos taken and were on FB from what I understand. He went without for a period of time after. Then he got another wedding ring (2 separate rings)....and he injured his fingers (more than one) on his left hand and from that point on it would swell and cause aggravation...so he wore his ring (2nd one) sometimes on a chain, sometimes not on a chain....sometimes back on his hand.....sometimes not on his hand. A ring is not necessarily an indication that someone loves or doesn't love someone, is married or is not married. ( I gave example of my husband who has never worn a ring.)

RBBM
You didn't miss a question regarding the ring, I was just making an observation about that. My statement about my question being missed was the question I asked about GR seeking help from search orgs.
And your statement about a ring indicating love is absolutely correct under normal circumstances. But if you throw in a missing wife, an affair, and at least 4 versions about what happened to the wedding ring....kinda has a different slant to it.

 

[rickblaine]

I believe that is what I said, RB. That the children see their grandparents next door. They go back and forth. I made no mention of GR's parents and the children..except that GR's Parents ALSO visited with Jenn's parents the other night. I cannot answer to "as often as they would like" because I've not talked with both of Jenn's parents nor her father since last month. I do know that GR is not holding the children against their grandparents.

Hi Lavanda:

While I agree that GR is not totally holding the children against their grandparents, there are definitely some restrictions as to how often they may see them.

 

[PennyFlower]

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Hi Lavanda:

While I agree that GR is not totally holding the children against their grandparents, there are definitely some restrictions as to how often they may see them.

Is this what the grandparents are telling you?

 

[dillysmom11]

Lavanda or RB, would you mind answering this for me? I'm sorry if its redundant!

Am I not understanding this correctly? JR's family has or has not hired a PI?

GR has or has not hired a PI? If not, why?

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Am I not understanding this correctly? JR's family has or has not hired a PI?

GR has or has not hired a PI? If not, why?

First, let's not use the word "hired" because that implies money. Same as organizations. We don't get "hired"....we represent, we don't get paid. (Cue does not get paid either. Their work is also all volunteer to whomever above posted they were "hired.") It is still questionable as to what "continued" involvement JR's mom/dad has or had with KR. When we represent a family of a missing loved one one thing we know....the family wants communications from law enforcement. They want to know what they are doing, do they have any leads and want open communications. Ask any family how devastating it is when LE closes down and quits talking with them? The fastest way to close down communications is to bring in a private investigator. We strongly advise families to work with PD. If and when it may appear that they are not getting open communication and their needed answers...then they may want to consider a PI but even at that....we tell them their best choice is going to be one that their detective or police force recommends. There are many PI's that are retired from a force and have an excellent and professional relationship with the investigators and do PI work. Therefore, that is when we may recommend that a private investigator be brought in. To date GR has a very good (excellent) communications going with a number of law enforcement that are investigating Jennifer's disappearance. They answer his questions, they communicate, they contact him back right away...and they are reachable. And...they are doing a very thorough job. Do not think they were easy on him either. When I say they did a very thorough job...I mean they questioned him right off the bat very extensively and for very long hours....just as any other spouse of a missing loved one. They dot their i's and cross their t's. They are doing a very good job. When I say forensics, I don't mean just the regular "check for blood/body/dna" forensics...I am also talking computer forensics and all that should be done...is being done. No, GR is not hiring a PI to cross over what is being done appropriately with the investigation. He is following their guidance. He has conveyed over and again he did not harm his wife. I believe him.

 

[rickblaine]

Is this what the grandparents are telling you?

Penny, I'd rather not indicate the source of that information. It is a fact however.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

RBBM
You didn't miss a question regarding the ring, I was just making an observation about that. My statement about my question being missed was the question I asked about GR seeking help from search orgs.
And your statement about a ring indicating love is absolutely correct under normal circumstances. But if you throw in a missing wife, an affair, and at least 4 versions about what happened to the wedding ring....kinda has a different slant to it.

If there are 4 different versions to the "story" of a ring, perhaps it is because it was not asked direct to the source. I asked GR directly about the ring. So in essence I don't see his wedding band as something to raise eyebrows over? Maybe I am missing something? Maybe it's because I know myself after my hand and arm surgery that it took quite awhile to get used to wearing my ring again? Had I had it my way...I probably would not...but because I love my ring ...I forced myself to get over the awkward feeling of getting used to it back on.

 

[dillysmom11]

That is good information, thank you! I think I understand what you are saying. I have never heard, until now, of LE and PI "crossing over". That's new to me. We can all say what we would do... I would have hired/contracted/brought on/begged a PI from the second day I could not locate my spouse.

 

[MissieMt]

First, let's not use the word "hired" because that implies money. Same as organizations. We don't get "hired"....we represent, we don't get paid. (Cue does not get paid either. Their work is also all volunteer to whomever above posted they were "hired.") It is still questionable as to what "continued" involvement JR's mom/dad has or had with KR. When we represent a family of a missing loved one one thing we know....the family wants communications from law enforcement. They want to know what they are doing, do they have any leads and want open communications. Ask any family how devastating it is when LE closes down and quits talking with them? The fastest way to close down communications is to bring in a private investigator. We strongly advise families to work with PD. If and when it may appear that they are not getting open communication and their needed answers...then they may want to consider a PI but even at that....we tell them their best choice is going to be one that their detective or police force recommends. There are many PI's that are retired from a force and have an excellent and professional relationship with the investigators and do PI work. Therefore, that is when we may recommend that a private investigator be brought in. To date GR has a very good (excellent) communications going with a number of law enforcement that are investigating Jennifer's disappearance. They answer his questions, they communicate, they contact him back right away...and they are reachable. And...they are doing a very thorough job. Do not think they were easy on him either. When I say they did a very thorough job...I mean they questioned him right off the bat very extensively and for very long hours....just as any other spouse of a missing loved one. They dot their i's and cross their t's. They are doing a very good job. When I say forensics, I don't mean just the regular "check for blood/body/dna" forensics...I am also talking computer forensics and all that should be done...is being done. No, GR is not hiring a PI to cross over what is being done appropriately with the investigation. He is following their guidance. He has conveyed over and again he did not harm his wife. I believe him.

RBBM
Have you been allowed access to the case file, or is this what you have been told by GR?
Sorry to be asking so many questions, it's just hard to differentiate between what he has told you vs. what you personally have confirmed and/or can vouch for.
In other words: I believe you 100%, but it's sometimes hard to believe him.