Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 3

[Lavanda Dolce]

Is this what GR told you or what you know to be fact?

100% fact.

 

[krey]

lol. ok. So we will have to agree to disagree on this one. "Good" is not described to me as the person in the sauna. But, the person in the sauna is married to someone that both JR and GR knew well...but not on a personal level. If that makes sense.

What do you mean, "but not on a personal level"? That seems contradictory to the statement that they both knew him "well". Please clarify. Thanks.

 

[rickblaine]

lol. ok. So we will have to agree to disagree on this one. "Good" is not described to me as the person in the sauna. But, the person in the sauna is married to someone that both JR and GR knew well...but not on a personal level. If that makes sense.

Lavanda,

Simply repeating what I was told from a "good" source....

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

"Good" is not described to me as the person in the sauna. But, the person in the sauna is married to someone that both JR and GR knew well...but not on a personal level. If that makes sense.

What do you mean, "but not on a personal level"? That seems contradictory to the statement that they both knew him "well". Please clarify. Thanks.

Ok. I had to go back and re-read. Maybe it's me because I am very tired...so this is the last question.
I didn't say "him"..... I'll try to explain.
I said "Good" is not described to me as the person in the suana (we know THAT is a him)...But the person in the suana (him) is married to someone (aside from same sex marriage...that would be a SHE/HER).....is the "someone" that both JR and GR know well. "Well enough" ....but not on a personal level. Say..............not someone you would go out to eat with or babysit their children, and they yours. So that is what I was trying to say. Example. You may know your family doctor "very well" as you've been visiting him or her for years....but how well or good do you really know him/her.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Lavanda,

Simply repeating what I was told from a "good" source....

I think I am just really tired! LOL...and I can hear that alarm clock going off already! I cannot tell you how many typos I've made and had to erase and do again. Oh I am going to enjoy my feather pillow tonight! Like NOW!:great:

 

[krey]

"Good" is not described to me as the person in the sauna. But, the person in the sauna is married to someone that both JR and GR knew well...but not on a personal level. If that makes sense.



Ok. I had to go back and re-read. Maybe it's me because I am very tired...so this is the last question.
I didn't say "him"..... I'll try to explain.
I said "Good" is not described to me as the person in the suana (we know THAT is a him)...But the person in the suana (him) is married to someone (aside from same sex marriage...that would be a SHE/HER).....is the "someone" that both JR and GR know well. "Well enough" ....but not on a personal level. Say..............not someone you would go out to eat with or babysit their children, and they yours. So that is what I was trying to say. Example. You may know your family doctor "very well" as you've been visiting him or her for years....but how well or good do you really know him/her.

Okay, I think I understand, lol. Thank you for explaining!

 

[LolaAngelina]

The children are not the focus of the disappearance of Jennifer. They have an excellent relationship with their grandparents and continue to have such. They live next door and go back and forth...even now. I believe RB stated the same a few days ago. GR's parents spent time visiting with them as well. Seems the only ones who are causing drama are "bloggers" and I can tell you that I am firm (as I told KR) that those children will NEVER be taken away from their grandparents as long as I have any "power of advice" and thus far GR is 100% in full agreement with me. Grandparents are in.

BBM
RB in fact never said anything of the sort. To quote "However I can answer one question, and tell you that GR's relationship with his in-laws is not very solid at the moment. That is putting it mildly..."

 

[MissieMt]

How long after she went missing did you sit with the case file and review it? That makes a difference. Also the question was posed did I review the case file. I am not family. But I can tell you that only one family , that I can recall, actually sat down with LE and was able to read page by page of the case file in the first early weeks of his daughter missing and that was because he was an attorney. And OT...while speaking of the same, his daughter's husband was also "convicted" in the media of killing her. She was located deceased and not by the hands of her husband.

Completely OT, but okay.
My sister has been missing since 1990, but she was originally written off as a run away and her case "mistakenly" closed in 1995 "because she turned 18". It was reopened in 2007. So when my sister reviewed it the investigation was very active. By the time I reviewed it it was unofficially being investigated as a murder case, but the investigation had (again) stalled.
Prime example of why as much as people want to have 100% trust and hope that their local LE is doing absolutely everything they possibly can, it's not always the case. If all LE were in fact capable of doing everything possible to find the missing then there would be no need for outside search organizations and no need for organizations like yours.

 

[krey]

Completely OT, but okay.
My sister has been missing since 1990, but she was originally written off as a run away and her case "mistakenly" closed in 1995 "because she turned 18". It was reopened in 2007. So when my sister reviewed it the investigation was very active. By the time I reviewed it it was unofficially being investigated as a murder case, but the investigation had (again) stalled.
Prime example of why as much as people want to have 100% trust and hope that their local LE is doing absolutely everything they possibly can, it's not always the case. If all LE were in fact capable of doing everything possible to find the missing then there would be no need for outside search organizations and no need for organizations like yours.

Just want to say again that I'm sorry about your sister, Missie. I couldn't find an appropriate smiley, so <<HUGS>> to you.

 

[rickblaine]

Completely OT, but okay.
My sister has been missing since 1990, but she was originally written off as a run away and her case "mistakenly" closed in 1995 "because she turned 18". It was reopened in 2007. So when my sister reviewed it the investigation was very active. By the time I reviewed it it was unofficially being investigated as a murder case, but the investigation had (again) stalled.
Prime example of why as much as people want to have 100% trust and hope that their local LE is doing absolutely everything they possibly can, it's not always the case. If all LE were in fact capable of doing everything possible to find the missing then there would be no need for outside search organizations and no need for organizations like yours.

So very sorry about your sister MM...

 

[LolaAngelina]

Everyone please see the last comment on this post regarding GR's wedding bands and the bee stings:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=152680704887109&id=485680108145366

I think people were missing the quote you were referring to. Did you mean the one by JR's mum? Can't quote here of course, but very interesting.

 

[momrids6]

LE has not given any indication at this time to us, or the public, that foul play occurred, forensic tests have not been completed and due to some of the background with the investigative processes we are looking for a living Jennifer. LE still has Jennifer's case deemed a missing person. They have not named her case one of suspicious of foul play, nor foul play.

<RS>

BBM:

Chenango County Sheriff Ernest Cutting Jr. confirmed that investigators have not ruled out the possibility that Ramsaran may have met foul play.


http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1423436202/Officials-seek-leads-on-missing-area-woman/print

 

[Londonrraine]

I was wondering, what are Jennifer's favourite stores/brands? I know it's late days, but in terms of getting the word out, and hoping someone knows something, maybe getting in touch with them on facebook and twitter would be helpful- often brands will happily help spread public interest messages (good PR for them, cynical as that is) and they usually have fairly significant followings.

Hey all,

"Costco" is one store that Jennifer likes to shop at, according to her sister.

 

[LolaAngelina]

Completely OT, but okay.
My sister has been missing since 1990, but she was originally written off as a run away and her case "mistakenly" closed in 1995 "because she turned 18". It was reopened in 2007. So when my sister reviewed it the investigation was very active. By the time I reviewed it it was unofficially being investigated as a murder case, but the investigation had (again) stalled.
Prime example of why as much as people want to have 100% trust and hope that their local LE is doing absolutely everything they possibly can, it's not always the case. If all LE were in fact capable of doing everything possible to find the missing then there would be no need for outside search organizations and no need for organizations like yours.

BBM - Well said Missie.
I'm so sorry about your sister. I haven't heard of it before, so I'm going over to that thread to have a look.

 

[krey]

I think people were missing the quote you were referring to. Did you mean the one by JR's mum? Can't quote here of course, but very interesting.

Yes, the one by her mom! And yes, very interesting....

 

[momrids6]

Hi Rick: Thanks for being here. I believe you answered before- but I believe it would be helpful if your answers are repeated:

Would Jennifer willingly disappear and leave her children and her parents without any contact ?

Was Jennifer so "different" in the past 6 to 9 months previous to her disappearance, that you could be wrong about the answer to my first question?

Lavonda, how did GR explain the comments he made in the DailyStar article from 1/30/13 by Joe Mahoney?
Particularly this one:
"The kids miss their old mom, not the one that was here the last six or nine months when she went through all the different changes"

One more question Rick;

Can you enlighten us (to the ability you are able) about the kids or her parents/family opinion about "old mom" and new mom, and/or these "changes"?

 

[enzeder]

Yes, the one by her mom! And yes, very interesting....

Good find krey!. Very interesting indeed......:silenced:

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Originally Posted by Lavanda Dolce View Post
They live next door and go back and forth...even now. I believe RB stated the same a few days ago.

BBM
RB in fact never said anything of the sort. To quote "However I can answer one question, and tell you that GR's relationship with his in-laws is not very solid at the moment. That is putting it mildly..."

That quote of RB was in regards to a different question. Not the question if the children see their grandparents.

 

[momrids6]

He has conveyed over and again he did not harm his wife. I believe him.

~Respectfully snipped~

Lavonda - can you clarify for me. What if you didn't believe him (I'm asking in general, not case specific here)? Would you still help, because the goal is finding Jennifer (or other missing loved one) and regardless if the person knows something or has involvement, the goal would be to find the missing person.

Hope that makes sense. I guess I'm just asking, does it matter who asks for help?

Salem

That's a very good question and we've had that happen before a few times. I would continue, but with another member of the family.

BBM

"In every case we've had when someone has failed a poly they are always brought in and administered a second one and many interrogations in between. We have had many of our missing located as victims of homicide and we continue with our support for the families through all processes which includes those who may have been the ones who caused the death of their loved one. Seen it many times."

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[Lavanda Dolce]

Completely OT, but okay.
My sister has been missing since 1990, but she was originally written off as a run away and her case "mistakenly" closed in 1995 "because she turned 18". It was reopened in 2007. So when my sister reviewed it the investigation was very active. By the time I reviewed it it was unofficially being investigated as a murder case, but the investigation had (again) stalled.
Prime example of why as much as people want to have 100% trust and hope that their local LE is doing absolutely everything they possibly can, it's not always the case. If all LE were in fact capable of doing everything possible to find the missing then there would be no need for outside search organizations and no need for organizations like yours.

Very sad. I'm very sorry to learn of this. Yes, you are correct...not all LE are capable of doing all possible Some are extremely short staffed and some "brush off" cases with the mentality "an adult has the right to go missing"....especially in cases of missing men....and even more with missing men of color.