Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 3

[Lavanda Dolce]

BBM

"In every case we've had when someone has failed a poly they are always brought in and administered a second one and many interrogations in between. We have had many of our missing located as victims of homicide and we continue with our support for the families through all processes which includes those who may have been the ones who caused the death of their loved one. Seen it many times."

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NY NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #2

She asked me in respect to GR. Her question was specific so I gave her a specific answer.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Hi Rick: Thanks for being here. I believe you answered before- but I believe it would be helpful if your answers are repeated:

Would Jennifer willingly disappear and leave her children and her parents without any contact ?

Was Jennifer so "different" in the past 6 to 9 months previous to her disappearance, that you could be wrong about the answer to my first question?



One more question Rick;

Can you enlighten us (to the ability you are able) about the kids or her parents/family opinion about "old mom" and new mom, and/or these "changes"?

Good questions. I too would like to see the answer to these by RB. I have to run now....and will try and be back later...however, OT question. Is there a way for me to "bookmark" where I leave off so I don't have to keep going back through pages to find something I want to see a response to?

 

[momrids6]

she asked me in respect to gr. Her question was specific so i gave her a specific answer.

~respectfully snipped~

lavonda - can you clarify for me. What if you didn't believe him (i'm asking in general, not case specific here)? <rs>

salem

bbm **

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

BBM

"In every case we've had when someone has failed a poly they are always brought in and administered a second one and many interrogations in between. We have had many of our missing located as victims of homicide and we continue with our support for the families through all processes which includes those who may have been the ones who caused the death of their loved one. Seen it many times."

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NY NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #2

I went back and re-read as I couldn't understand why you would ask again...and I see where it was me who answered incorrect to Salem last night. I took it as a direct question that what if I found out that GR was specifically not telling the truth and/or I read more meaning into it and bypassed the general question. I can only say the following to further clarify:

When any missing loved one is registered we connect with all family, as possible, at the onset. We want to be sure all understand what services we provide and what services we do not provide. Only once did we ever have the actual PERSON who caused the death of his wife register her as missing. I immediately knew that person was not truthful (at the onset) as what he told me differed from what was told to LE. We continued with the case but represented the aunt of the missing woman, instead. In other cases it wasn't much concern because the party who caused the harm was arrested....and in the majority of cases the person who caused the harm was not even in the picture. (not married to the missing or was totally uninvolved) I will also say it is very rare that someone who caused the death of another....registers them with an organization for assistance. Fact is, what IS very common is the many who are missing (and found murdered)....we see over and again that the person who invariably was arrested, or convicted (some still waiting trial) almost always rip down missing posters from around town. I cannot tell you how many times that happens. Too many.

 

[nursebeeme]

http://cnynews.com/search-for-missing-jennifer-ramsaran-still-ongoing/

bumping up this article about Jennifer.

I wish we had some more updates from LE about where they are at with their investigation.

 

[MissieMt]

Thank You all for responding to my post about my sister. I really didn't want this thread to get OT because it's supposed to be about Jennifer (not about my sister, and not about GR)
Unfortunately I have A LOT to do these next few days. I will try my hardest to get on here so I can keep up.
Praying for Jennifer....lease:

 

[rickblaine]

Hi Rick: Thanks for being here. I believe you answered before- but I believe it would be helpful if your answers are repeated:

Would Jennifer willingly disappear and leave her children and her parents without any contact ?

Was Jennifer so "different" in the past 6 to 9 months previous to her disappearance, that you could be wrong about the answer to my first question?

One more question Rick;

Can you enlighten us (to the ability you are able) about the kids or her parents/family opinion about "old mom" and new mom, and/or these "changes"?

Hello momrids:

Bear in mind that these thoughts are my opinion only.

I will never believe, unless definitively proven otherwise, that Jennifer would willingly leave her children or her parents by running off w/o any contact at all. She is a warm, loving and considerate person who treasures her family above all else, and would never want them to suffer in any way. Therefore, I just don't see it happening.

While I acknowledge she did go through some "changes" prior to her disappearance - weight loss, increased interest and activity in online gaming, etc. - I don't believe those changes would lead to a total abandonment of her family. Not in a million years!

I also refuse to believe that the kids would feel any differently about "old" vs. "new" mom. Kids, particulary younger ones, are not going to be making those kinds of judgements and comparisons. I believe they love and need their mom and want her back in their lives, "old" or "new".

While the above is opinion based on knowledge of Jennifer, the following is fact: Jennifer's parents do not for a second believe that these "changes" she went through would contribute to her disappearance by her running off and abandoning her family.

I strongly agree...

 

[momrids6]

Hello momsrid:

Bear in mind that these thoughts are my opinion only.

I will never believe, unless definitively proven otherwise, that Jennifer would willingly leave her children or her parents by running off w/o any contact at all. She is a warm, loving and considerate person who treasures her family above all else, and would never want them to suffer in any way. Therefore, I just don't see it happening.

While I acknowledge she did go through some "changes" prior to her disappearance - weight loss, increased interest and activity in online gaming, etc. - I don't believe those changes would lead to a total abandonment of her family. Not in a million years!

I also refuse to believe that the kids would feel any differently about "old" vs. "new" mom. Kids, particulary younger ones, are not going to be making those kinds of judgements and comparisons. I believe they love and need their mom and want her back in their lives, "old" or "new".

While the above is opinion based on knowledge of Jennifer, the following is fact: Jennifer's parents do not for a second believe that these "changes" she went through would contribute to her disappearance by her running off and abandoning her family.

I strongly agree...

Thank you: I cannot imagine how horribly difficult this is for you & yours. Please let us know if/when a fund is set up to help with SAR, and let all know that many people are praying....

 

[Clayton]

Hello momsrid:

Bear in mind that these thoughts are my opinion only.

I will never believe, unless definitively proven otherwise, that Jennifer would willingly leave her children or her parents by running off w/o any contact at all. She is a warm, loving and considerate person who treasures her family above all else, and would never want them to suffer in any way. Therefore, I just don't see it happening.

While I acknowledge she did go through some "changes" prior to her disappearance - weight loss, increased interest and activity in online gaming, etc. - I don't believe those changes would lead to a total abandonment of her family. Not in a million years!

I also refuse to believe that the kids would feel any differently about "old" vs. "new" mom. Kids, particulary younger ones, are not going to be making those kinds of judgements and comparisons. I believe they love and need their mom and want her back in their lives, "old" or "new".

While the above is opinion based on knowledge of Jennifer, the following is fact: Jennifer's parents do not for a second believe that these "changes" she went through would contribute to her disappearance by her running off and abandoning her family.

I strongly agree...

Thank you RB. I am local, and from I have heard about Jennnifer, echos your comments about her. I also agree that the kids would not be making judgements and comparisons....unless they are being that. My prayers to her parents.

 

[Sharoneonta]

RB, did she know any of her online gaming friends in real life?

 

[dillysmom11]

RB <respectfully snipped> While I acknowledge she did go through some "changes" prior to her disappearance - weight loss, increased interest and activity in online gaming, etc. - I don't believe those changes would lead to a total abandonment of her family.

RB- with respect to your knowledge of events, did the "gaming" period begin during the "affair" period? I assume gaming would be a good way to disappear from your worries.

 

[fringles]

It seems like I've missed a bit in the past couple of days, so I apologise if this has already been covered or comes across strangely - it's not my intention!

Lavanda, would you mind clarifying something for me? The information you have about Jennifer's situation, is the source of this information her husband/people close to Jennifer, or has LE told you directly the same things? Namely about the implied online evidence, the lack of signs of foul play, etc.

 

[nursebeeme]

Hello momrids:

Bear in mind that these thoughts are my opinion only.

I will never believe, unless definitively proven otherwise, that Jennifer would willingly leave her children or her parents by running off w/o any contact at all. She is a warm, loving and considerate person who treasures her family above all else, and would never want them to suffer in any way. Therefore, I just don't see it happening.

While I acknowledge she did go through some "changes" prior to her disappearance - weight loss, increased interest and activity in online gaming, etc. - I don't believe those changes would lead to a total abandonment of her family. Not in a million years!

I also refuse to believe that the kids would feel any differently about "old" vs. "new" mom. Kids, particulary younger ones, are not going to be making those kinds of judgements and comparisons. I believe they love and need their mom and want her back in their lives, "old" or "new".

While the above is opinion based on knowledge of Jennifer, the following is fact: Jennifer's parents do not for a second believe that these "changes" she went through would contribute to her disappearance by her running off and abandoning her family.

I strongly agree...

did Jennifer know about the affair that you had mentioned?

I would think that would also cause changes in her weight and her mood as well.

I hope she can come home safely to her childrenlease:

 

[OffRoadRunner]

Hello momrids:

Bear in mind that these thoughts are my opinion only.

I will never believe, unless definitively proven otherwise, that Jennifer would willingly leave her children or her parents by running off w/o any contact at all. She is a warm, loving and considerate person who treasures her family above all else, and would never want them to suffer in any way. Therefore, I just don't see it happening.

While I acknowledge she did go through some "changes" prior to her disappearance - weight loss, increased interest and activity in online gaming, etc. - I don't believe those changes would lead to a total abandonment of her family. Not in a million years!

I also refuse to believe that the kids would feel any differently about "old" vs. "new" mom. Kids, particulary younger ones, are not going to be making those kinds of judgements and comparisons. I believe they love and need their mom and want her back in their lives, "old" or "new".

While the above is opinion based on knowledge of Jennifer, the following is fact: Jennifer's parents do not for a second believe that these "changes" she went through would contribute to her disappearance by her running off and abandoning her family.

I strongly agree...

Thanks RB and local here as well. Regarding the kids, the message of the kids at school who are friends with JR's kids say that they miss their mom, period!

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Hello momrids:

Bear in mind that these thoughts are my opinion only.

I will never believe, unless definitively proven otherwise, that Jennifer would willingly leave her children or her parents by running off w/o any contact at all. She is a warm, loving and considerate person who treasures her family above all else, and would never want them to suffer in any way. Therefore, I just don't see it happening.

While I acknowledge she did go through some "changes" prior to her disappearance - weight loss, increased interest and activity in online gaming, etc. - I don't believe those changes would lead to a total abandonment of her family. Not in a million years!

I also refuse to believe that the kids would feel any differently about "old" vs. "new" mom. Kids, particulary younger ones, are not going to be making those kinds of judgements and comparisons. I believe they love and need their mom and want her back in their lives, "old" or "new".

While the above is opinion based on knowledge of Jennifer, the following is fact: Jennifer's parents do not for a second believe that these "changes" she went through would contribute to her disappearance by her running off and abandoning her family.

I strongly agree...

Rickblaine...

thank you so much for taking the time and effort to answer our questions as you go through this challenging time.. :seeya:

I also want to thank you for being a strong "voice" for Jennifer...

This is a thread for Jennifer... And you are so instrumental in keeping us in focus of trying to find this lovely lady!

:gthanks:

 

[nursebeeme]

rickblaine,

has Jennifer's family (re: her parents) heard anything more from CUE?

 

[Londonrraine]

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Be prepared and stay safe everyone!

 

[fringles]

I cannot answer this because unfortunately it does have meaning behind it that I believe "slipped" in a way that shouldn't have been told as it is part of the investigative process of what was going on with Jennifer prior to her leaving that affected the entire family unit in the home. It's not as simple cut and dry as what it appears. It's not medical...it's complex. That is all I can say.

(BBM)

Lavanda, as you are close to the investigative process and the family I just want to be sure, as I understand this could just be a phrase used without much meaning behind it and I don't want to jump to conclusions.

Are you personally of the opinion that Jennifer left by choice?

 

[rickblaine]

RB, did she know any of her online gaming friends in real life?

She may have befriended some of the players she met on line, as I believe LE is looking into that aspect of the case. That's all I care to say on the subject.

 

[rickblaine]

RB- with respect to your knowledge of events, did the "gaming" period begin during the "affair" period? I assume gaming would be a good way to disappear from your worries.

DM - Yes, they corresponded fairly closely.