Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 7

[epiphany]

From hearing from a relative of mine that knows and has talked with the guy that found Jennifer:

she was covered really good with snow... he first spotted a coyote trail...heavily used. He never gave much thought about it... went home.. got to thinking about it, went back down with his dog.. he then spotted what he thought looked like a foot.... kicked some snow, then saw a hand... really freaked him out.... states that she was in a fetal position, decay had started, but recognizeable as her.

Would love the Science folks, of which I am not, to speak to why her face would be somewhat recognizable, as well as what ORR has described above (hand, foot).

It's the environment: the snow, the temperature, etc.

Decomposition slowed down.

Is there something akin to a sort of "mummification" here?

 

[Foxfire]

In light of trying to keep an open mind, just in case, I for the life of me cannot figure out why a random stranger who either intended on robbing, car jacking, and/or raping would go through such length to try to ......not get caught.

Keys left in the car, credit cards not used, a body found naked - not near the vehicle. A phone tossed (which could be worth some $.)

They could have kept the phone, tossed the keys, and left the body in the van.

I mean, I'm not talking statistics or anything.. I just don't buy it

LivingJuicy, you are right on.. LJ, you have excellent inductive reasoning skills, imo. Many times it is not what is observed. But what can't be seen, touched, felt, heard, or smelled that is important; love> hate> evil..
The Numb3rs simply don't compute in the Jennifer Ramsaran tragic scenario..

 

[epiphany]

Fetal position? Hmmm... Was she in some kind of container til rigor mortis kicked in?

Container missing from home? Where's it now?

Asleep?

Fetal position due to fear; attempting to recoil?

Bedroom?

 

[Caring4Many]

From hearing from a relative of mine that knows and has talked with the guy that found Jennifer:

she was covered really good with snow... he first spotted a coyote trail...heavily used. He never gave much thought about it... went home.. got to thinking about it, went back down with his dog.. he then spotted what he thought looked like a foot.... kicked some snow, then saw a hand... really freaked him out.... states that she was in a fetal position, decay had started, but recognizeable as her.

Fetal position? Ok we don't think there's any chance....oh god I don't even want to type this. Is it possible she was alive but just barely when placed there? Again I add, poor Jennifer, this makes me think of all the possibilities of what has happened to her & maybe there is truth to GR saying "its brutal" so often. Whatever did you have to endure sweet Jennifer?

 

[Foxfire]

Fetal position? Hmmm... Was she in some kind of container til rigor mortis kicked in?

rigor mortis, comes and goes..

 

[krey]

From hearing from a relative of mine that knows and has talked with the guy that found Jennifer:

she was covered really good with snow... he first spotted a coyote trail...heavily used. He never gave much thought about it... went home.. got to thinking about it, went back down with his dog.. he then spotted what he thought looked like a foot.... kicked some snow, then saw a hand... really freaked him out.... states that she was in a fetal position, decay had started, but recognizeable as her.

This guy should get a reward! It was about time she was found.

 

[LolaAngelina]

Fetal position? Hmmm... Was she in some kind of container til rigor mortis kicked in?

Funny you say that. Someone posted on that other social media page saying check random barrels. I was really puzzled by this as it was not in reply to anything. This was days ago, does this person know about the fetal position? Are they saying look in barrels for evidence Jennifer was in there or was he talking about her clothes, purse etc?

 

[Foxfire]

Fetal position? Ok we don't think there's any chance....oh god I don't even want to type this. Is it possible she was alive but just barely when placed there? Again I add, poor Jennifer, this makes me think of all the possibilities of what has happened to her & maybe there is truth to GR saying "its brutal" so often. Whatever did you have to endure sweet Jennifer?

Very possible, Caring4Many, ..Megan Sharpton(TN-07/2012) was abducted, raped twice, murdered, and set on fire by Sexual Predator Donnie Frank Jones. It was revealed that he poured gasoline on her and set her on fire premortem, according to the autopsy report. Sadistic Evil exists...

 

[krey]

http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Ramsaran-Mommy-is-with-us-at-all-times-194340031.html

There is a video at this link now - The news lady says "he has been outspoken even before his wive's body was found" ??? He did 1 interview!
Yet again, no emotion whatsoever, not even a tear!
He seems to repeat words a lot as if he is stalling for time while he thinks of his next b*****t story.
"we hugged, we actually hugged" "we're talking, we'll keep talking"

He sure doesn't look sad, does he? Not even a little bit.

 

[krey]

Funny you say that. Someone posted on that other social media page saying check random barrels. I was really puzzled by this as it was not in reply to anything. This was days ago, does this person know about the fetal position? Are they saying look in barrels for evidence Jennifer was in there or was he talking about her clothes, purse etc?

I noticed that comment too. Weird!

 

[SouthAussie]

http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Ramsaran-Mommy-is-with-us-at-all-times-194340031.html

There is a video at this link now - The news lady says "he has been outspoken even before his wive's body was found" ??? He did 1 interview!
Yet again, no emotion whatsoever, not even a tear!
He seems to repeat words a lot as if he is stalling for time while he thinks of his next b*****t story.
"we hugged, we actually hugged" "we're talking, we'll keep talking"

As someone said earlier .... always convincing us, never just conveying information.

 

[Caring4Many]

Container missing from home? Where's it now?

Asleep?

Fetal position due to fear; attempting to recoil?

Bedroom?

Considering she's also naked, I'm not sure if she was sleeping but I'm thinking the fear is definitely something that makes sense.

 

[LJKaust]

I have been reading along (well I did miss a couple of pages) and not commenting, because I haven't had anything to add, but I just had a thought....if LE thought there was a killer on the loose, wouldn't they have put out some kind of warning?

 

[nanasbabes]

Makes my heart hurt thinking she was trying whatever she could to fit in with her other half and it didn't mean a thing such a sweet woman living with mental and phyical pain

 

[Foxfire]

This guy should get a reward! It was about time she was found.

'Yes he should, Krey'...But...
There was no reward offered in Jennifer Ramsaran case to my knowledge.. I made a comment about this over two months ago. Why was there no reward offered by Remy Ramsaran, CC, or LE?If they were so concerned for her welfare and were aware that there was blood in the van. Wouldn't a reward have been offered?

This speaks volumes, imo..."Sad, very Sad"...

 

[epiphany]

Fetal position? Ok we don't think there's any chance....oh god I don't even want to type this. Is it possible she was alive but just barely when placed there? Again I add, poor Jennifer, this makes me think of all the possibilities of what has happened to her & maybe there is truth to GR saying "its brutal" so often. Whatever did you have to endure sweet Jennifer?

Was he told a little more than we know, and is "preparing" himself for the COD?

Or

Does he know how she died?

 

[krey]

There was no reward offered in Jennifer Ramsaran case to my knowledge.. I made a comment about this over two months ago. Why was there no reward offered by GR, CC, or LE?
This speaks volumes, imo...

I know. It's very unfortunate. I hope this guy at least gets verbal kudos for thinking that something wasn't right and going back to the spot to check again.

 

[epiphany]

I have been reading along (well I did miss a couple of pages) and not commenting, because I haven't had anything to add, but I just had a thought....if LE thought there was a killer on the loose, wouldn't they have put out some kind of warning?

This type of a killer, who left evidence in 3 towns and tossed a nude female, a mother of 3, from a remote road?

I would hope so. I would think so. But dunno.

 

[LivingJuicy]

LivingJuicy, you are right on.. LJ, you have excellent inductive reasoning skills, imo. Many times it is not what is observed. But what can't be seen, touched, felt, heard, or smelled that is important; love> hate> evil..
The Numb3rs simply don't compute in the Jennifer Ramsaran tragic scenario..

Thanks Fox. I take that as the highest compliment coming from you.

Question to all -

Assuming it's true that there is no sign of trauma - what could COD be?


Drowning
Asphyxiation
Poisoning


What else?

 

[LivingJuicy]

Fetal position? Hmmm... Was she in some kind of container til rigor mortis kicked in?

Wondered - drowning victims end up in fetal positions.

Some type of well?

Just a thought.

Actually most people do end up in fetal so I don't think it's super uncommon but I'm not a DR.

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