Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 7

[dansmom]

Thanks for your feedback... and the extra information that has been provided. I thought maybe today, I would ask each of you, to think of how many inconsistencies there have been on FB, and why WS has been successful for so long...I was a member a long time ago...different case then...but for now...let's focus on Jennifer. Do you think that she could have run away? I doubt anyone would agree to that...so if we start at the beginning, and follow through, to where we are now...the COD that would most likely fit all the known information, would be what _______??? Do you think that is was possibly pre-meditated, or researched, and the "interviews" given to answer the questions before they are asked? Is it possible,that we have not uncovered evidence of the possibility of there being more than one person involved...at any time?
Do you think that by deflection, it removes the basis of what we believe to be true?

I believe she could have planned to leave, not as depicted by GR and CC , but as a result of finding things out about her husband, Nobody knows what goes on in a marriage except the people in it. This is where the plan goes awry, GR is told or discovers her plan to leave ( not with an online mystery person) but taking the kids and leaving. He explodes... narcissistic personalities do that when they feel helpless.
He explodes and the rest in written.
I have posted before: I believe this was a spontaneous act that was followed by attempts to cover up after the fact. Not planned so much as reacted to.
The sad thing:If a person were to act in a rage and the resulting injury/ death resulted, it may only be a manslaughter charge. By going about all this behind the scenes, sloppy cover ups it raises the bar on the crime. Let's see, murder, lying to LE, using the internet/ news to promote a hoax...etc. etc. etc.

:twocents:

 

[Jilllian]

Ganesh Ramsaran stated that both his sister-in law and his mother-in-law, Carol Renz, began viewing him with suspicion when they learned, following Jennifer Ramsaran’s disappearance, that he had a sexual tryst with one of his wife’s close friends.

I believe that this is 100% untrue.
One doesn't become a jerk (keeping it clean) overnight, after a one-night stand, a once-a-night stand, etc.
Parents and other close family members see through BS and had concerns about personality traits right from the get-go, IMO, and those concerns are validated when other things happen over a period of time, hypothetically speaking.

 

[Jilllian]

Not doubting you at all Jillian, it's just I'm not up on the threads. Do we have the examples of the 'took off' theory from msm or elsewhere? Specifically, who first proposed the theory? Were LE seeming to be accepting the theory, do you think?

There are many MSM examples given by CC and GR that Jennifer might have taken off willingly, or after becoming "despondent," or been car-jacked, or met someone online and encountered foul play as a result. The only unlikely scenario I haven't seen them write about is an alien abduction, but stay tuned. That may be next. :ufo:

So yes, they're everywhere. I believe it was CC who first posted that theory (running off/despondent), but remember, she is simply GR's mouthpiece. And we hear her loudly and clearly. I believe this theory was pushed more heavily when the heat became stronger as people began to question her specifically about the fact that 1) she nor GR have not mentioned a single positive word about Jennifer herself (well, not until her "earthly body" was discovered anyway, as far as I can see). In fact, they said hurtful things about her, IMO. 2) there was NO evidence that she was alive. In fact there was evidence she was likely harmed (phone found on road, van found with blood in it, husband found phone but picked it up himself rather than calling the police first. The rock-turning-on-the-phone scenario, etc., etc., etc. 3) The affair. Many more.

I don't know if LE has accepted that theory (the "running way" one). If I had to guess, I would say "No" just because it's all so blatantly far fetched, and I'm sure LE is much smarter than that. Statistically only 1% of wives "go missing" voluntarily, and I bet far fewer than that are MOTHERS.

As an aside, CC has harassed Jennifer's mother by incessantly contacting her to get the mother to say that Jennifer was mentally ill. Jennifer had no symptoms of mental illness. I had to show Jennifer's mother how to block CC for contacting her on FB. CC has caused this family so much pain and hardship, IMO, and it doesn't end. And it MUST.

Furthermore, I wanted to clarify. LE has not EVER indicated to Jennifer's parents NOT to search for her.

LE has not asked for Jennifer's medical records. Why????

Sorry for this post being scattered, as I too am catching up on posts.

 

[Caring4Many]

So yes, they're everywhere. I believe it was CC who first posted that theory (running off/despondent), but remember, she is simply GR's mouthpiece. And we hear her loudly and clearly. I believe this theory was pushed more heavily when the heat became stronger as people began to question her specifically about the fact that 1) she nor GR have not mentioned a single positive word about Jennifer herself (well, not until her "earthly body" was discovered anyway, as far as I can see). In fact, they said hurtful things about her, IMO. 2) there was NO evidence that she was alive. In fact there was evidence she was likely harmed (phone found on road, van found with blood in it, husband found phone but picked it up himself rather than calling the police first. The rock-turning-on-the-phone scenario, etc., etc., etc. 3) The affair. Many more.

Respectfully Snipped & BBM

Please first of all do not apologize. Your posts are always helpful. I just want to clarify here that we have all seen the recent actions of CC & GR. Can anyone here really say that there has been ANYTHING positive about Jennifer said? Other than the blanket statemtne of her identification & may she rest in peace. I have not seen anything about her being said that was positive, nothing by CC or GR. Normally on these types of pages you would see posts of photos from friends & families with stories of the person that was lost sharing memories of that person & messages of love & support. Much like the blog we saw from Jennifers friend,(from OR maybe), and the piece in the Daily Star from the Cousin. I think eventually we will see friends and family come forward once they are ready, but if CC & GR are going to be speaking you'd think it would be in this manner they would be sharing NOT the one we are being subjected to.

 

[momrids6]

"Narcissists tend to live lives of patterns and routines, and do not
much like changes to the order of 'how things go'. Once they have their system of manipulation and a 'minion organization' in place, they get upset when someone challenges the group-think process. The narcissist is the head of the 'group-think' and their many followers are content to simply follow the wants and be the 'yes-men' of the narcissist. "

http://krillco.hubpages.com/hub/Understanding-Identifying-and-Coping-With-Narcissistic-Personalities

 

[LadyBugSTL]

I have to respectfully disagree on stepping back.

From what I know, and from what I've found out the last couple of days (even from being out of town) is that stepping back isn't the best thing to do.

Unless I'm misinterpreting what "stepping back" means?

Silence didn't serve Jennifer well to begin with, and I can't help but think that silence isn't going to help her now in terms of justice.

LE has always held the position of "let us do our jobs," IMO.

Anyone else notice how soon JR's body was found after Joe Mahoney started posting another angle toward her disappearance other than "she ran off"?

If I remember correctly, it was a week or so later that her body was found.

GR and his camp want to silence us so that his voice is the only one heard, as usual.

Sorry for the rant - I don't intend for it to come off as ranting. Still a bit peaved at the stepping back most people did when they blindly accepted that she "took off."

:goodpost:

Welcome back! You were much missed!

I agree, totally. Being quiet and going away, is exactly what a certain someone wants us to do; he's indicating this in his many (yicky blechy) interviews, that now that Jen's found, "It's over, now".

This isn't a "Spartan Race", it's not a "challenge", it's not "brutal" and does not test one's "stamina". There's no "finish line" that's been crossed and no "trophy" that's been won......

It's nowhere near over, not until the person (or persons) responsible are convicted and behind bars.....and justice for Jennifer has been served........ that's when we've crossed the "finish line".......

 

[Jilllian]

I agree Jillian.

The theory of she "ran off" while could have been one of a few, was pushed by all LnM. She came on here and kept pushing it as well. It didn't make sense to me that LnM should have been advocating equally to all possibilities. I know that GR had planted some seeds early that she could have met someone...but not until LnM got involved did the whole "ran off" took off.

It does all missing cases an injustice when they say "ran off" or "took a break from their life" or a "runaway". The cases are out there, but not with cars and phones strewn throughout some towns. It never made sense and I believe it did Jennifer a disservice. Searching needed to be done and it wasn't....on a public level...as Jillian organized...and had to cancel because of someone throwing a temper tantrum(so interesting that the search was going to be lead from the Plymouth Fire station...hhmmmm)

I hope that CC has learned from this case....how important it is to give each theory it's due diligence.

We were all correct here...because it was the only thing that made sense. We all knew that this lovely woman loved her kids, loved Christmas and was devoted to them....she would have never left on her own...just silly to even have given that theory so much weight.

Exactly. Wish I read this post before I posted my ramblings...

 

[Sharoneonta]

I believe that this is 100% untrue.
One doesn't become a jerk (keeping it clean) overnight, after a one-night stand, a once-a-night stand, etc.
Parents and other close family members see through BS and have concerns about personality traits right from the get-go, IMO, and those concerns are validated when other things happen over a period of time, hypothetically speaking.

I completely agree. I don't think he was liked by Jenny's family from the very beginning. Maybe over the years they softened, most likely because of the children. (grandchildren) I don't think it was hard for the family to accept that he could be involved in her disappearance.

I go back and forth between accidental & pre meditated. When Jillian told me the (main) hunting season dates, I started to lean toward premeditated. The idea of an argument erupting over the tryst is also possible. I'm not sure if the argument was spontaneous or if she planned to confront him. I feel like she knew there was something going on with GR & Mrs. Tryster.

My gut tells my she was strangled, I'm not sure obviously, I hope we get the COD soon.

I feel that Mrs. Tryster is involved, although I'm not sure to what level.

I find it very telling that all/most of GRs allies are female. Charming narcissist. IMO.

Everything I read makes me think what I've said since early on "it's not me, it's you".

 

[momrids6]

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Everything I read makes me think what I've said since early on "it's not me, it's you".

Just like you said "narcissistic injury".... has my vote

 

[cluciano63]

There was a term used in one of those shows on the ID channel yesterday, "narcissistic immunity" where the person apparently can never imagine that he/she would not be 100% believed about their version of everything. Or something like that...

 

[LivingJuicy]

Going back to the start..

IMO, I believe that when GR first wanted the public to believe that Jennifer was a victim of foul play. The lack of her calling or texting while allegedly shopping and not returning home. I think that everything was staged to appear that she met with foul play.

Then, CC comes into the mix. Her being a woman, having a very different thought process listens to GR go on and on about how she would "never" leave her family. I bet that CC starts asking questions - like us women do. Any marital issues ? Any addictions? Any history of depression? So on and so forth and then I believe IMO that GR realizes ...hmmmm, let's go with this. Yes, she was overweight, yes, normal relationship problems, yes, she's on medication for various illnesses, yes, I did have a tryst, yes, with her best friend.

Before long, they have established a quick friendship. She believes him and feels validated that he's opened up so much, she feels that JR will come home! GR feels protected, GR feels that he has a believer, an advocate, a fan, a friend!
LE won't mess with me if I have a missing organization on my side!! jmoooooo

This really makes sense to me and explains the conflicting stories.

I have more thoughts but this is a start.

 

[GulfCoastKAT]

I believe that this is 100% untrue.
One doesn't become a jerk (keeping it clean) overnight, after a one-night stand, a once-a-night stand, etc.
Parents and other close family members see through BS and had concerns about personality traits right from the get-go, IMO, and those concerns are validated when other things happen over a period of time, hypothetically speaking.

I agree. 18 years they have known him. I am sure they had some feelings about him along the way but family tend to overlook things and stay quiet to keep things calm. Small things, anyway. Until something major happens- like your loved one disappearing.

 

[LivingJuicy]

Sorry in advance everyone - I may post a lot today. I'm sick in bed. Nothing else to do!

OK, what bugs me the most about all of this, other than her being gone - I hate the D word! Is how GR just keeps referring to her as "the body."

I asked my gf the other night if she would be in the media if this was happening in our life and she agrees with 99.9% of us here that clearly, there is a whole lot of detachment there. I bet GR was angry with Jennifer. For various reasons. IMO as harsh as this sounds, if he was involved in harming Jennifer, he would still blame her and still be angry at her. (thinking it's her fault this happened, her fault he's suspected, her fault the police took over HIS house for 4 days, etc.)

.............................tick tock tick tock.

 

[Jilllian]

totally OT, but my hand lotion is called "earthly body."

 

[MissieMt]

New comment again under this post that was linked a page back and I didn't quote it sorry..

Hurry before its deleted
https://www.facebook.com/lostnmissing/posts/4184052974118

Hopefully that poster has a copy of that so it can be reiterated if needed

 

[pinkshoemama]

Fetal position? Hmmm... Was she in some kind of container til rigor mortis kicked in?

Still catching up so ignore if this has already been discussed......
Would her being found in a fetal position support the theory we've tossed around about wells or large freezers / meat lockers?

 

[Caring4Many]

Goodness- LJ- your list may have tripled just now.....

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...901063&type=1&theater&notif_t=comment_mention

 

[LadyBugSTL]

Sorry in advance everyone - I may post a lot today. I'm sick in bed. Nothing else to do!

OK, what bugs me the most about all of this, other than her being gone - I hate the D word! Is how GR just keeps referring to her as "the body."

I asked my gf the other night if she would be in the media if this was happening in our life and she agrees with 99.9% of us here that clearly, there is a whole lot of detachment there. I bet GR was angry with Jennifer. For various reasons. IMO as harsh as this sounds, if he was involved in harming Jennifer, he would still blame her and still be angry at her. (thinking it's her fault this happened, her fault he's suspected, her fault the police took over HIS house for 4 days, etc.)

.............................tick tock tick tock.

I absolutely agree - It's Jen's fault he hurt her....... :furious:

OT - Hope you feel better very soon!!!!!

 

[pinkshoemama]

Along the lines of poisoning>deliberately overdosing the victim with prescription or illegally purchased drug.

Again playing into his & LNM's "theory" that Jen had changed drastically. Even alluding on here & FB about an increase of meds or drugs of some sort, legal or not.

I guess this would also be fitting if her tox report comes back positive of a substance that she normallly does not take, but was forcefully or intentionally "given" to her that morning (poisoned).

Rambling..... still catching up.....

 

[Caring4Many]

Again playing into his & LNM's "theory" that Jen had changed drastically. Even alluding on here & FB about an increase of meds or drugs of some sort, legal or not.

I guess this would also be fitting if her tox report comes back positive of a substance that she normallly does not take, but was forcefully or intentionally "given" to her that morning (poisoned).

Rambling..... still catching up.....

I hope they're are running tox for more that the typical personally. I just have had some sneaking suspicions all along that there was more going on prior to her disappearance. I know he said Jennifer & the kids have allergies, scares me to wonder if any of the kids have any health issues in addition to that.