Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 7

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  • #841
Yeah, it was posted over here -- somewhere...I remember reading it before I realized who the poster was and thinking it was the most idiotic list I ever saw -- I mean..,.if you wanted to take 100 words and say absolutely NOTHING of any use for anybody actually searching for a missing person -- it hit the nail on the head.

Here's the single post with the list of Jennifer's Likes & Dislikes:

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Eats hamburgers plain, no condiments.
Loves cherry coke but lately drank a lot of water with lemon.
Jennifer is left handed.
She hates whipped cream.
She is not a morning person.
She loves Boston creme donuts.
She does not eat sandwiches or subs, ever.
She has dyslexia.
She hates coffee but likes tea with sugar.
She loves romantic comedies.
Favorite movies are 50 First Dates, Forrest Gump and Couples Retreat.
Loves to read romance novels and sci-fi fantasy books.
She loves Gordon Ramsey and Top Chef (tv show), Ghost Hunters and Rachel Ray.
Other shows she likes are Survivor, Amazing Race and Hell's Kitchen.
99% of the time she wears no makeup at all, including not wearing lipstick.
She prefers her hair worn down.
Her clothes are almost always pretty casual, however, the last 3-4 months she started dressing up every time she left the home.
She likes Friendly's restaurant an JoAnn's Fabric and Craft Stores.
Jennifer is a walker, not a jogger or runner due to pins in her toes from surgery when a teenager.
She has not worn a dress nor a skirt in many years.
She is more introverted as opposed to extroverted so if she were in a long line waiting she would patiently and quietly wait there. She would not become impatient either.
She has never smoked.
She never wore nail polish until about six months ago when nail polish became the norm.
She uses Lite Italian Vinegarette dressing on her salad; if eating out and they don't offer it she will choose balsamic dressing.
She is an excellent cook but stopped cooking the two months prior to her disappearance.
Jennifer likes reading and writing her own short stories.
 
  • #842
I was trying to be diplomatic... I was specifically thinking of one organization..

And JMO it was the organization's responsibility to take one step into the community to find these generous activities Jen was involved in...

Sunday School teacher...
Caregiver for a gentleman
Girl Scout Leader...

All very visible leadership involvement in the community...

Sorry for quoting my own post... But I quoted the wrong post in the one above...

So sorry to my WSers....:blushing:

But my sentiments still remain the same...

JMO
 
  • #843
Here's the single post with the list of Jennifer's Likes & Dislikes:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #2


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Eats hamburgers plain, no condiments.
Loves cherry coke but lately drank a lot of water with lemon.
Jennifer is left handed.
She hates whipped cream.
She is not a morning person.
She loves Boston creme donuts.
She does not eat sandwiches or subs, ever.
She has dyslexia.
She hates coffee but likes tea with sugar.
She loves romantic comedies.
Favorite movies are 50 First Dates, Forrest Gump and Couples Retreat.
Loves to read romance novels and sci-fi fantasy books.
She loves Gordon Ramsey and Top Chef (tv show), Ghost Hunters and Rachel Ray.
Other shows she likes are Survivor, Amazing Race and Hell's Kitchen.
99% of the time she wears no makeup at all, including not wearing lipstick.
She prefers her hair worn down.
Her clothes are almost always pretty casual, however, the last 3-4 months she started dressing up every time she left the home.
She likes Friendly's restaurant an JoAnn's Fabric and Craft Stores.
Jennifer is a walker, not a jogger or runner due to pins in her toes from surgery when a teenager.
She has not worn a dress nor a skirt in many years.
She is more introverted as opposed to extroverted so if she were in a long line waiting she would patiently and quietly wait there. She would not become impatient either.
She has never smoked.
She never wore nail polish until about six months ago when nail polish became the norm.
She uses Lite Italian Vinegarette dressing on her salad; if eating out and they don't offer it she will choose balsamic dressing.
She is an excellent cook but stopped cooking the two months prior to her disappearance.
Jennifer likes reading and writing her own short stories.

So in case you meet someone who resembles Jennifer and decide to have a bite to eat, watch some TV and perhaps catch a movie, these are her preferences.

NOT: she might be working as a home healthcare worker, finding solace teaching children at bible school, attending church services or participating in or teaching some sort of art class.

Nope, not Jennifer, she's with hippies, in a cult.

Disgusting.
 
  • #844
So in case you meet someone who resembles Jennifer and decide to have a bite to eat, watch some TV and perhaps catch a movie, these are her preferences.

NOT: she might be working as a home healthcare worker, finding solace teaching children at bible school, attending church services or participating in or teaching some sort of art class.

Nope, not Jennifer, she's with hippies, in a cult.

Disgusting.

Don't forget, she might've joined Project Occupy. Sounds right up her alley.
 
  • #845
More for the 'maybe list':

Maybe the little things on the list -- the salad dressing, the whipped cream, etc -- they are such LITTLE things -- but maybe drove GR crazy and that is what he remembered more?

Maybe by posting those little tidbits -- it makes it sound like he really, really knew her -- all the way down to those little details. Thing is -- he left out all the big details which was allllll the good stuff she did in life.

Good point, Bob!

That list sounds more like it could have been a list of "pet peeves" of GR...

showing what a "petty"....inconsiderate person HE really is! :banghead:

JMO
 
  • #846
oh, dear. sorry voom! i thought you were talking about the rentz's.
it just went over my head.

:)

No problem! :)

I was wondering, if her parents are suspicious of GR? You don't have to answer, of course. I did notice they aren't friends on FB.
 
  • #847
OK, while going back and looking for the "list" I found a different list I'd missed before:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199079&page=5

scroll down to 5th posting.

"any one is something that she could have done." -- this a list that suggest possible scenarios including living with hippies, or living in a casino earning money by gambling, or with a cult"

Does this sound anything like what a Sunday School teacher/girl scout leader/knitting teacher would DO?

This list was posted in response to a suggestion that she might be in some sort of shelter for abused women.

From your link:
"Living with a family and care taking for someone. (room/board/food in exchange to live-in care for an elderly person.)"

Kind of gives me the impression that LD KNEW about her caring for the stroke patient, and didn't bother to list that.
To me this is important because I've always liked to think that (in LD's defense) she had only been told some of the story/only some of the things about Jennifer. Like GR had hand picked what he wanted her to know in order to paint a certain picture/skew her view. And unfortunately-now I'm not so sure :(
 
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  • #849
Jennifer was employed for 8 months prior to her death.
She was a home health aide.
She bonded well with the nice gentleman who hired her.
She disclosed issues regarding her personal life to him, and they enjoyed each other's company.
This nice man got to know her children.
Sometimes, the children would call Jen while Jen was at work, saying that they were hungry, all the while with GR standing right there and could have made them food.
GR did no housework. That was Jen's job.
GR wouldn't even take out the trash.

And yet we're meant to believe he went out and put gas in the van for her?
 
  • #850
I might add that I don't believe the SO (BF's spouse) involved knew the extent of the affair.

If BF's spouse knew anything, IMO, might be only that he was told it was a one-time alcohol fueled sexual tryst (like we read).

IF Jennifer discovered something the day she disappeared, she may have threatened to expose the truth to him as well.

I certainly would have.

May have escalated any confrontation if the other male did not know the full extent of the situation.
 
  • #851
And yet we're meant to believe he went out and put gas in the van for her?

Early on I said that he may have put that out there to give a reason for his fingerprints being found to be in her van recently.
 
  • #852
I might add that I don't believe the SO (BF's spouse) involved knew the extent of the affair.

If BF's spouse knew anything, IMO, might be only that he was told it was a one-time alcohol fueled sexual tryst (like we read).

IF Jennifer discovered something the day she disappeared, she may have threatened to expose the truth to him as well.

I certainly would have.

May have escalated any confrontation if the other male did not know the full extent of the situation.

The BF still denies the affair or tryst was with her.
 
  • #853
The BF still denies the affair or tryst was with her.

Yes...exactly...which is why I believe there was more at stake than what we already think if Jennifer confronted that day.
 
  • #854
Yes...exactly...which is why I believe there was more at stake than what we already think if Jennifer confronted that day.

Or if she threatened to tell her bff's husband
 
  • #855
Or if she threatened to tell her bff's husband

Yes...deny, deny, deny...IF forced to eventually admit to something>admit to husband to a one-time alcohol fueled sexual tryst only (as GR has done).
 
  • #856
Early on I said that he may have put that out there to give a reason for his fingerprints being found to be in her van recently.

If its a family vehicle why wouldn't his prints be there? Not that I think he'd step aside to assist Jennifer but at least as far as I see it-anyone in that home could have prints in that vehicle unfortunately. Even on the steering wheel. My husband is OCD about driving-unless he's ill he has to be the driver-his prints are everywhere in my vehicle. I think of all the oddities this is the one that could easily be explained away. Jmo.
 
  • #857
From your link:
"Living with a family and care taking for someone. (room/board/food in exchange to live-in care for an elderly person.)"

Kind of gives me the impression that LD KNEW about her caring for the stroke patient, and didn't bother to list that.
To me this is important because I've always liked to think that (in LD's defense) she had only been told some of the story/only some of the things about Jennifer. Like GR had hand picked what he wanted her to know in order to paint a certain picture/skew her view. And unfortunately-now I'm not so sure :(

Makes you wonder what all she knew & didn't advertise & market about GR as his "defense," doesn't it? How many times were we told she "couldn't share" or "we'd hear soon" or something was "for LE only" but she certainly did go on & on about how it would validate her thoughts that GR was innocent.

What I really wonder is at what time in her head did GR become the "victim," when was it ok to her, reasoning wise), to forget Jennifer was the missing person & not put out the things we saw in the obit today when raising awareness but rather give out things that were tidbits one would have posted on a MySpace page or secret Santa list. Continuing of course to then to defame the victim...anyways my point her is-at what point did this go from "Let's bring Jennifer Home" to "Let's defend GR at all costs"? I find it hard to believe that CC/LD started with that intention....
 
  • #858
If its a family vehicle why wouldn't his prints be there? Not that I think he'd step aside to assist Jennifer but at least as far as I see it-anyone in that home could have prints in that vehicle unfortunately. Even on the steering wheel. My husband is OCD about driving-unless he's ill he has to be the driver-his prints are everywhere in my vehicle. I think of all the oddities this is the one that could easily be explained away. Jmo.

It is very rare I drive my husband's vehicle and same with him in mine. It would be very coincidental that I would go missing and my husband's prints would be found on top (left most recently).

Not that I'm worried about going missing or my husband, in general. . .
 
  • #859
Losing PS, I think.

Or maybe hoping if she lies enough to EVERYONE closest to her, (sleeping with your bestfriends husband is a pretty big brake in trust) they will belive her lies as much as she belives them.

The bigger the lies the bigger crash this will be when it all comes down.
 
  • #860
At least someone out there besides us thinks it's suspicious. Why isn't someone (LE, family, whoever!) pubicly asking for information that can lead to an arrest in her death? Information that can give a clue to her whereabouts that morning?

ARGH! :banghead:

ETA: OR ..Why isn't her missing fb page dedicated to finding justice??? double ARGH :banghead:

BBM
I don't want to go into a lot of details but my bio uncle was killed.
His body had not been found and we had hope he was still alive.
With in 3-5 days my aunt was planning services for him.

We were hurt/worried as we thought he could still be alive. (Our own denial)
We did not express to my aunt that we were hurt though.
Some family members were afraid that if anything was said,
that she would keep the children away from them. So everyone
kept silent.

I am thinking that Jenn's family is not speaking out in fear of losing
contact with their grandchildren, in case there is no immediate arrest.
I believe we will hear from them after an arrest is made.

Also I do need to mention, that my aunt has done a wonderful job
raising my cousins, in all the years since my uncle was killed, the relationship
with our family never changed. She is my HERO!

Also, I am no way equating GR to my aunt. Just the opposite.

I am puzzled that GR said there will be a "New Normal" after Jenn was found.
There has never been a "New Normal" for us.
 
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