Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 9

[yupikgirl]

I don't know what happened (I was sleeping), but I apologize because I assume I was part of it since my posts are gone. I was very upset last night and logged off realizing I had probably went to far.

OK back to Jennifer...I have been sleeping so I need to catch up.

 

[zwiebel]

No, there hasn't been any info about a burn site. But if Jennifer is a victim of foul play, there might be one somewhere. Her clothes and shoes and purse are somewhere.

 

[zwiebel]

http://www.co.chenango.ny.us/dpw/waste-management/
I suppose this one is manned.


http://www.moverscorp.com/storage_facilities/NY_New-York/Chenango_County/
I can't do maps, but if any of these are within a reasonable distance of where Jennifer was found, it would be good to know.

 

[LolaAngelina]

Yes, so people could be asked to look for one - even a partially burnt one. Without a size though, LE could get inundated.

Okay well I don't think there would be a huge amount of women's shoes out there! Anyway, I'm sure that anything found is being passed to LE. I'm also confused by the burnt part? Is that just your thought that her clothes and shoes may have been burnt?

 

[Sharoneonta]

So we know that before Jen was found the community either had not heard of the case, or they thought she ran away, with a small, but dedicated few thinking she was murdered.

What is the local feeling now? Is there any public out cry to find out if there is a killer in the community? Are people intimidated by the local police? Is there any way to put pressure on them to hold a press conference? Should there be some sort of phone call campaign asking for answers? Is this something WE should be doing?

 

[Sharoneonta]

Do we know if Jen's parents house was ever searched? I've had this nagging feeling something happened next door for a while.

Do they have a garage?

 

[zwiebel]

Okay well I don't think there would be a huge amount of women's shoes out there! Anyway, I'm sure that anything found is being passed to LE. I'm also confused by the burnt part? Is that just your thought that her clothes and shoes may have been burnt?

Recent mp case I was on LE ended up with hundred of bags of clothes/shoes.

If I was a criminal and wanted to destroy evidence, I'd tend to burn it rather than dump.

 

[Jilllian]

No, there hasn't been any info about a burn site. But if Jennifer is a victim of foul play, there might be one somewhere. Her clothes and shoes and purse are somewhere.

probably at home, where she left them.
along with her phone, i'm guessing.

 

[Piperdog]

So we know that before Jen was found the community either had not heard of the case, or they thought she ran away, with a small, but dedicated few thinking she was murdered.

What is the local feeling now? Is there any public out cry to find out if there is a killer in the community? Are people intimidated by the local police? Is there any way to put pressure on them to hold a press conference? Should there be some sort of phone call campaign asking for answers? Is this something WE should be doing?

Sadly, I don't hear anyone talking about it. It is, as I said, sad. This case is something I think about every day. I live here and am geniuenly concerned that there is a murderer among us and LE isn't doing much (outwardly) about it.

 

[zwiebel]

Sadly, I don't hear anyone talking about it. It is, as I said, sad. This case is something I think about every day. I live here and am geniuenly concerned that there is a murderer among us and LE isn't doing much (outwardly) about it.

So they might not be looking out for anything unless they're asked. And if there is a chance Jennifer's clothes are out there, it is worth looking.

i do think her clothes may have been removed for evidence purposes.

 

[zwiebel]

http://www.rssweather.com/wx/us/ny/chenango county/wx.php

Oh no, it's still snowing, it looks like.

 

[Jilllian]

Sadly, I don't hear anyone talking about it. It is, as I said, sad. This case is something I think about every day. I live here and am geniuenly concerned that there is a murderer among us and LE isn't doing much (outwardly) about it.

yet they're deleting questions/comments of their sheriff's department FB page.
i hope it's for a reason, other than not wanting to answer the questions.

 

[Sharoneonta]

Sadly, I don't hear anyone talking about it. It is, as I said, sad. This case is something I think about every day. I live here and am geniuenly concerned that there is a murderer among us and LE isn't doing much (outwardly) about it.

I was afraid this was the case.

 

[Sharoneonta]

yet they're deleting questions/comments of their sheriff's department FB page.
i hope it's for a reason, other than not wanting to answer the questions.

They won't accept my friend request...

 

[Piperdog]

yet they're deleting questions/comments of their sheriff's department FB page.
i hope it's for a reason, other than not wanting to answer the questions.

I hope so too

 

[Abigail]

:werk:
OK, fellow sleuthers, I thought I'd make a list of the actual facts that we have at hand that relate to Jennifer's death. Please help me out by listing any I've ommitted.

1) Jenn is dead

2) Jenn's body was found nude, down a small embankment, about 10 feet off of Center Road.
http://www.wbng.com/news/video/Body-of-missing-person-Jennifer-Ramsaran-identified-193930381.html

3) The medical examiner said there were "no visible signs of trauma" and there were no personal belonging found near the body (same link as above)

4) Jenn's body was sent to Onondaga County Medical Examiners Office in Syracuse. COD has not yet been released.

5) Jenn was last known to be alive on the morning of December 11.
a) Apparently based on interviews with the children, Sherriff Cutting said, "“There was no problem (at the house) when they went to school"
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x983997640/Investigators-interview-missing-womans-children
b) Jenn was apparently online with her gaming friends that morning, according to POB, who reports passed this info on to LE. Sherriff Cutting said that State Police Computer Experts were expected to reach out to Jenn's online contacts. (see link directly above)
c) The last person to see Jenn alive was her husband, Ganesh, who reports that she left the home about 10:30 a.m. to go to the Destiny USA mall in Syracuse for shopping.


6) Jenn's van was found at the Plank Road Manor apartments in Norwich by her father on December 16, 5 days after she was last seen alive, and 5 days after she was reported missing by her husband Ganesh Ramsaran.
a) Jenn's father said the van had an unusual amount of mud on it (I need a link for this)
b) Bloodstains were found inside the van, according to Cynthia Carron of LostNMissing, Inc., who said she learned that information from Jenn's husband, Ganesh Ramsaran
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503756987/Report-Blood-found-in-missing-womans-van

7) Cynthia Caron reported that Jenn's husband, Ganesh, admitted to police he was involved in adultery with a married woman with children who was also a friend of Jennifer. Ganesh admitted to the Daily Star that his affair with his running partner, who was also a close friend of Jennifer, caused an estrangement between him and Jenn's mother and sister. "Last April, Ganesh Ramsaran, a marathon enthusiast, posted a note on a Facebook running club page in which he described the woman he now admits having a tryst with as his “Protege/Prodigy in running & working out.”"
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503756987/Report-Blood-found-in-missing-womans-van
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1837420511/Missing-womans-sister-We-miss-you

8) Ganesh acknowledged that he and his wife experienced "marital difficulties"
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503756987/Report-Blood-found-in-missing-womans-van

9) Ganesh reported that a life insurance policy was taken out for himself and his wife with his employer IBM
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503756987/Report-Blood-found-in-missing-womans-van

10) According to Cynthia Caron, Ganesh provided an alibi to the police that he headed to a workout at the local YMCA at the time he believed his wife was driving to Syracuse. (A google map search reveals that the YMCA in Norwich is 1 mile from the Plank Road Manor apartments where Jenn's van was found). Ganesh arrived at the YMCA without a vehicle, as Cynthia Caron confirmed that he received a ride home from his female running partner.
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503756987/Report-Blood-found-in-missing-womans-van
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1837420511/Missing-womans-sister-We-miss-you

11) Jennifers phone was located the day after she went missing by her husband Ganesh along route 23.

 

[LolaAngelina]

So they might not be looking out for anything unless they're asked. And if there is a chance Jennifer's clothes are out there, it is worth looking.

i do think her clothes may have been removed for evidence purposes.

Well as she was found naked I think that's a given. But yes it would be good to know details like her shoe size, what sort of shoes she would normally wear, jewellery she may have worn. Those are some of the questions we asked LD very early on and there was never an answer given

 

[LolaAngelina]

:werk:
OK, fellow sleuthers, I thought I'd make a list of the actual facts that we have at hand that relate to Jennifer's death. Please help me out by listing any I've ommitted.

1) Jenn is dead

2) Jenn's body was found nude, down a small embankment, about 10 feet off of Center Road.
http://www.wbng.com/news/video/Body-of-missing-person-Jennifer-Ramsaran-identified-193930381.html

3) The medical examiner said there were "no visible signs of trauma" and there were no personal belonging found near the body (same link as above)

4) Jenn's body was sent to Onondaga County Medical Examiners Office in Syracuse. COD has not yet been released.

5) Jenn was last known to be alive on the morning of December 11.
a) Apparently based on interviews with the children, Sherriff Cutting said, "“There was no problem (at the house) when they went to school"
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x983997640/Investigators-interview-missing-womans-children
b) Jenn was apparently online with her gaming friends that morning, according to POB, who reports passed this info on to LE. Sherriff Cutting said that State Police Computer Experts were expected to reach out to Jenn's online contacts. (see link directly above)
c) The last person to see Jenn alive was her husband, Ganesh, who reports that she left the home about 10:30 a.m. to go to the Destiny USA mall in Syracuse for shopping.


6) Jenn's van was found at the Plank Road Manor apartments in Norwich by her father on December 16, 5 days after she was last seen alive, and 5 days after she was reported missing by her husband Ganesh Ramsaran.
a) Jenn's father said the van had an unusual amount of mud on it (I need a link for this)
b) Bloodstains were found inside the van, according to Cynthia Carron of LostNMissing, Inc., who said she learned that information from Jenn's husband, Ganesh Ramsaran
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503756987/Report-Blood-found-in-missing-womans-van

7) Cynthia Caron reported that Jenn's husband, Ganesh, admitted to police he was involved in adultery with a married woman with children who was also a friend of Jennifer. Ganesh admitted to the Daily Star that his affair with his running partner, who was also a close friend of Jennifer, caused an estrangement between him and Jenn's mother and sister.
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503756987/Report-Blood-found-in-missing-womans-van
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1837420511/Missing-womans-sister-We-miss-you

8) Ganesh acknowledged that he and his wife experienced "marital difficulties"
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503756987/Report-Blood-found-in-missing-womans-van

9) Ganesh reported that a life insurance policy was taken out for himself and his wife with his employer IBM
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503756987/Report-Blood-found-in-missing-womans-van

10) According to Cynthia Caron, Ganesh provided an alibi to the police that he headed to a workout at the local YMCA at the time he believed his wife was driving to Syracuse. (A google map search reveals that the YMCA in Norwich is 1 mile from the Plank Road Manor apartments where Jenn's van was found). Ganesh arrived at the YMCA without a vehicle, as Cynthia Caron confirmed that he received a ride home from his female running partner.
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503756987/Report-Blood-found-in-missing-womans-van
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1837420511/Missing-womans-sister-We-miss-you

11) Jennifers phone was located the day after she went missing by her husband Ganesh along route 23.

Thanks for that Abigail. There is also a great timeline on the Justice for Jennifer page - http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=521306504582726&id=485680108145366

 

[Jilllian]

They won't accept my friend request...

same here.

 

[Abigail]

Well as she was found naked I think that's a given. But yes it would be good to know details like her shoe size, what sort of shoes she would normally wear, jewellery she may have worn. Those are some of the questions we asked LD very early on and there was never an answer given

Maybe she was barefoot when she left the house??