Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 9

[zwiebel]

Great post! I have always found this part odd - “If you could just jot this down for me"
Like make sure you get this part. Wanting to make sure that worst thing that anyone could ever say about a mother gets into the article.
Making sure the whole basis of his story gets into the article.

So self possessed. Almost unnaturally so.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM
Could you explain what you mean?

He's saying the children don't miss their Mom.

 

[epiphany]

IF the longer affair and a one-time tryst are two distinct and separate experiences, then there could be freedom from marriage (without seeking divorce) possibly coming into play.

 

[LolaAngelina]

He's saying the children don't miss their Mom.

Okay gotcha, so trying to make the children look bad as well. Disgraceful

 

[Bettylou4you]

“If you could just jot this down for me — the kids miss their mom, and I miss her, too,” he said. “The kids miss their old mom, not the one that was here the last six or nine months when she went through all the different changes."

This is probably the cruelest dig <Mod Snip>has made.

I believe i was using a name that the person i was referring to uses publicically and in fact has a jacket with this name embroidered on it that is part of the case record.

 

[lovinglife]

So he tells LE immediately of affair because either he wants them to know to look at this person getting the attention away from him or because he knew it would come out about the relationship eventually. I just find it odd to tell LE bout an affair and with who when it was so long ago (supposably).

RSBM
I've heard several times that GR told LE about the tryst/affair. In today's world, I believe that LE would specifically ask any husband in this situation about past affairs, whether the husband had any or if they knew if the wife had any. So, I don't think GR OFFERED this info; I believe he was asked and decided to tell the truth because it would come out eventually. MOO

 

[Tennlyn]

I still don't think Jennifer weighed 190 lbs when she went missing. Her face looks far thinner than that. Not sure why that matters, but it does to me. :moo:

 

[SouthAussie]

RSBM
I've heard several times that GR told LE about the tryst/affair. In today's world, I believe that LE would specifically ask any husband in this situation about past affairs, whether the husband had any or if they knew if the wife had any. So, I don't think GR OFFERED this info; I believe he was asked and decided to tell the truth because it would come out eventually. MOO

I am wondering why the anonymous friend told Joe Mahoney that he/she could see Jen forming an emotional attachment to an online gaming friend, but didn’t mention to Joe that GR had an affair that the locals knew about.

At the time the statement was given to Joe Mahoney, both pieces of information could equally point to a motive for Jen’s disappearance.

It would be fair to reveal both at the same time, or neither.

 

[lovinglife]

I am wondering why the anonymous friend told Joe Mahoney that he/she could see Jen forming an emotional attachment to an online gaming friend, but didn’t mention to Joe that GR had an affair that the locals knew about.

At the time the statement was given to Joe Mahoney, both pieces of information could equally point to a motive for Jen’s disappearance.

It would be fair to reveal both at the same time, or neither.

Unless the anonymous friend was the trystee - she wouldn't want to bring attention to herself

 

[SouthAussie]

I believe i was using a name that the person i was referring to uses publicically and in fact has a jacket with this name embroidered on it that is part of the case record.

You mean this jacket Betty?

(Sorry ... didn't know how to make the photo smaller)

 

[Abigail]

oh, just a wild guess since it was one of the first things that was focused on.

he didn't mention that she taught knitting classes, was a girl scout leader, a wonderful mother, and was also otherwise involved in various community activities. in the beginning, he never mentioned any of her wonderful qualities at all. in fact, all he talked about were what he viewed as her deficits and her "changing."

seems like he purposely left all the good out to me, yet the "anonymous friend" deemed it important to mention that she played online games and possibly formed an emotional attachment to someone. big whoop.

that planted the seed for many community members to believe that she just took off, when she was dead the entire time, IMO. and that planted seed had everything to do with her not being found for 84 days, in my opinion.

In GR's defense, he did mention that she was "passionate about her children" -- or something to that effect in one of the earlier articles.

And, in a couple of the later interviews, he pulled out a quilt she'd made, or some of her hand-knitted items, or one of her paintings -- but that was given scant attention in the interview-- maybe 1 to 5 seconds of air time.

From my memory, the more negative statements -- like the kids not missing her because she'd changed so much in the past 6 to 9 months :furious: were made later on -- beginning in late January. It seems like that was when a lot of negativity about Jenn kicked in, or at least he began to air it publically.

 

[lovinglife]

Paragraph 1: (The Family Friend)
Jennifer Renz Ramsaran, the 36-year-old stay-at-home mom missing for a week under suspicious circumstances, had begun discussing the possibility of separating from her husband and had made new online gaming friends through her iPhone account, a family friend said Tuesday.

Paragraph 2: (The Anonymous Source)
&#8220;It sounded like she was developing an emotional attachment to somebody,&#8221; said a source who spoke to The Daily Star on the condition of anonymity. &#8220;If there was somebody showing her an awful lot of attention, I could see her being misled.&#8221;

But...I suppose the anonymous source will be asked to explain her statement more fully before the Grand Jury. So, we'll just have to wait until then to get clarification.

Why do you believe the anonymous friend was female?

I wonder why none of the friends or anonymous speakers to the press didn't consider Jen's feelings or anger in saying some of the things they had said about her. These statements were in fact stated when no one except the person involved knew she was in fact dead. Why the double standard in the treatment JR vs GR from these people? I find it interesting.
I also believe she was left naked in order to humiliate To further take away her dignity.

What exactly did I say that was inconsiderate to Jen's feelings. What have I done that showed a double standard in the treatment of JR vs GR?

There is a massive assumption that everyone involved is for one or against the other. That is not the case.

RSBM just reviewing posts

 

[LivingJuicy]

You mean this jacket Betty?

(Sorry ... didn't know how to make the photo smaller)

This may sound really crazy.

I'm guessing that the picture of Jenn and "Psycho" (wearing the jacket/his nickname in college) was around what, 1994-1996? That puts GR at the time around 18-20 give or take.. (not so important of what I'm trying to say.)

What I'm seeing is someone who at that age appears completely different than the recent (past 10 years or so) of GR. The person in this particular picture appears happy and doesn't have empty eyes.

I'm just wondering if something happened in GR's life w/in the years from 1994on, that changed him enough to be able to cheat on the love of his life, let alone be capable of harming her.

Was he in the military? just curious..

 

[3trees]

In GR's defense, he did mention that she was "passionate about her children" -- or something to that effect in one of the earlier articles.

And, in a couple of the later interviews, he pulled out a quilt she'd made, or some of her hand-knitted items, or one of her paintings -- but that was given scant attention in the interview-- maybe 1 to 5 seconds of air time.

From my memory, the more negative statements -- like the kids not missing her because she'd changed so much in the past 6 to 9 months :furious: were made later on -- beginning in late January. It seems like that was when a lot of negativity about Jenn kicked in, or at least he began to air it publically.

He tends to say something nice then makes a snide, heartless, derogatory comment covered in flowers and butterflies. It still reeks of dung.

BTW Do you realize how hard it is for me to censor out writing certain words on here?

 

[Bob's Chicken]

You mean this jacket Betty?

(Sorry ... didn't know how to make the photo smaller)

Something I've been thinking of a few times after seeing pics with GR... is there anyone on this WS forum who knows how to 'analyze' body language and position? Do/did you notice that in alot of pics, GR puts his arm over someone's shoulders and drapes down his hand? Does that mean anything? Like a possession or superiority? I remember LD/CC saying that he was not very tall -- doing this make him feel taller? I know at least amongst my family and friends -- we usually put arm around back or by the waist... Most of pics with GR show his arm in a 'you are my buddy' pose... not to be confused with the Remy Pose. Just saying and thought I would bring up...

 

[cluciano63]

This may sound really crazy.

I'm guessing that the picture of Jenn and "Psycho" (wearing the jacket/his nickname in college) was around what, 1994-1996? That puts GR at the time around 18-20 give or take.. (not so important of what I'm trying to say.)

What I'm seeing is someone who at that age appears completely different than the recent (past 10 years or so) of GR. The person in this particular picture appears happy and doesn't have empty eyes.

I'm just wondering if something happened in GR's life w/in the years from 1994on, that changed him enough to be able to cheat on the love of his life, let alone be capable of harming her.

Was he in the military? just curious..

People cheat on spouses all the time, presumably even those they loved passionately at one time. But they do not speak of their missing spouse in a negative way. Even Scott Peterson knew enough not to do that.

 

[SouthAussie]

This may sound really crazy.

I'm guessing that the picture of Jenn and "Psycho" (wearing the jacket/his nickname in college) was around what, 1994-1996? That puts GR at the time around 18-20 give or take.. (not so important of what I'm trying to say.)

What I'm seeing is someone who at that age appears completely different than the recent (past 10 years or so) of GR. The person in this particular picture appears happy and doesn't have empty eyes.

I'm just wondering if something happened in GR's life w/in the years from 1994on, that changed him enough to be able to cheat on the love of his life, let alone be capable of harming her.

Was he in the military? just curious..

And I wonder why GR proudly wore the nickname "Psycho" as a badge of honour on his jacket. Had he done particularly risky things that others would think a person would have to be psycho to do?

 

[Bob's Chicken]

So, then SOMEONE was lying when she said Jenn didn't know. Or someone had lied to her and told her Jenn didn't know.

snipped w/respect...

Abigail -- without putting words into Solus' mouth -- I think what he/she was referring to about 'Jen knowing' is in the context of when GR would be on speakerphone with Jen on the other end -- they were not having a private conversation. I am happy to be corrected for saying this in error -- but that was my take on it...

 

[nanasbabes]

And I wonder why GR proudly wore the nickname "Psycho" as a badge of honour on his jacket. Had he done particularly risky things that others would think a person would have to be psycho to do?

I read it as intimidation towards others that he was a bad @@@ Maybe low self esteem to his size? JMO

 

[epiphany]

<modsnip>

Believe Poster was referring to Jennifer always knowing that she was on speaker phone when she spoke with her husband.