GUILTY NY - Kenneth White, 5, Berne, 18 Dec 2014

[LonelyChild]

Apparently she went to get presents or something from school but even so knowing her daughter had issues especially bipolar where she could be capable of snapping at any second she should not have allowed her near any of those children without anyone else around. My question is why couldn't she have someone else watch the boy while she ran her errands or whatever why leave him in the care of her daughter who she KNEW had issues. She says her daughter did have a big role in raising the kids and bought them things and I'm not saying this girl should not be around the kids at all but atleast she clearly should not have been allowed near them by herself. Sadly this is going to be something this little boys aunt will live with for the rest of her life wondering why she left the boy with her daughter and of course thinking he'd still be here if she didn't leave him there.

 

[Ontario Mom]

"Kenneth White lived in the 250-square-foot trailer with his twin sister, a 4-year-old sister, his aunt, an unrelated teenager and his 19-year-old cousin, Tiffany VanAlstyne." http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Town-of-Knox-says-site-of-killing-unsafe-5972340.php

Couple thoughts:
No mention at all of another adult male living there with the same last name, as had been previously reported. Unless the teenage boy living there uses the same last name?

250 square feet for an adult, two teenagers and 3 kids all under 5? That's just... UGH. That's a single wide mobile, at BEST it has 3 bedrooms for 6 people (and they're tiny bedrooms, trust me), so where did those little kids even sleep?! Although I don't think 250 is accurate (typical single wide is 14x70 and that's about the size this one looks) but it's STILL a very cramped space for that many people.

 

[LAMARQ]

Respectfully snipped.

Because no one wants to believe their child is capable of hurting a child.

True. I thought about that after I posted. I'm not judging, but asking what everyone is asking. I have a 22 year old son who has zero patience and I won't leave my 7 year old with him for a second.

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[necco]

Apparently she went to get presents or something from school but even so knowing her daughter had issues especially bipolar where she could be capable of snapping at any second she should not have allowed her near any of those children without anyone else around. My question is why couldn't she have someone else watch the boy while she ran her errands or whatever why leave him in the care of her daughter who she KNEW had issues. She says her daughter did have a big role in raising the kids and bought them things and I'm not saying this girl should not be around the kids at all but atleast she clearly should not have been allowed near them by herself. Sadly this is going to be something this little boys aunt will live with for the rest of her life wondering why she left the boy with her daughter and of course thinking he'd still be here if she didn't leave him there.

While there is an increase in the potential for violence with bipolar disorder, people with bipolar disorder are much more dangerous to themselves than others. When people with bipolar disorder do turn violent, it is very often because they have a comorbid condition such as substance abuse, trauma history or borderline personality disorder.

People suffering from a mental illness are actually 11 times more likely to be a VICTIM than someone without a mental illness.


While there are cases where mental illness are the complete and total cause of a violent crime (Andrea Yates comes to mind) very few perpetrators aren't responsible for their actions AND people trying to use mental illness as an excuse only serves to further stigmatize people and make getting help more difficult and/or embarrassing.

Sorry, but I'm rather passionate about this issue. This post isn't directed at anyone in particular, I just hate to see people making excuses like BV is doing.

http://bipolar.about.com/b/2013/09/02/risk-factors-for-violence-in-bipolar-disorder.htm

 

[kimi_SFC]

http://news10.com/2014/12/22/exclusive-interview-with-the-aunt-of-kenneth-white/

Aunt (tiffanys mother) speaks out from inside the home. Sorry I don't know how to do screen shots.

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Sorry for the delay. Here are the screen shots I managed from the embedded video. Thank you LAMARQ for posting the video:

Reporter referred to this room as the "scene of the crime" (both photos)

Little Kenneth's school work , which BvA stated TvA helped to correct, etc. (paraphrasing)

#RIPLittleKenneth


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[IHAVENOCLUE]

It's small and cluttered for sure. What I got from this are the issues BV talks about TV having in the days prior. Why why why did she leave those kids with her?

There is a memorial tonight.

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this is my question, too...

:no:

 

[FindHG]

While there is an increase in the potential for violence with bipolar disorder, people with bipolar disorder are much more dangerous to themselves than others. When people with bipolar disorder do turn violent, it is very often because they have a comorbid condition such as substance abuse, trauma history or borderline personality disorder.

People suffering from a mental illness are actually 11 times more likely to be a VICTIM than someone without a mental illness.


While there are cases where mental illness are the complete and total cause of a violent crime (Andrea Yates comes to mind) very few perpetrators aren't responsible for their actions AND people trying to use mental illness as an excuse only serves to further stigmatize people and make getting help more difficult and/or embarrassing.

Sorry, but I'm rather passionate about this issue. This post isn't directed at anyone in particular, I just hate to see people making excuses like BV is doing.

http://bipolar.about.com/b/2013/09/02/risk-factors-for-violence-in-bipolar-disorder.htm

It may be harsh, but I'm not trusting BV's diagnosis of her daughter, nor her judgement, at this point. She says something like 'not my fault, my daughter did it' or sumthing like that, not an exact quote from the broadcast from her house. She spends most of the time defending TV or herself, which makes me wonder if she thinks **** like this just happens, that she didn't ask for it, was trying her best, etc or whatever? What I didn't see was anything but a folder of Kenneth White's. That made me sad for him but glad his sisters don't have to be there as their aunt deals with stuff.

 

[necco]

It may be harsh, but I'm not trusting BV's diagnosis of her daughter, nor her judgement, at this point. She says something like 'not my fault, my daughter did it' or sumthing like that, not an exact quote from the broadcast from her house. She spends most of the time defending TV or herself, which makes me wonder if she thinks **** like this just happens, that she didn't ask for it, was trying her best, etc or whatever? What I didn't see was anything but a folder of Kenneth White's. That made me sad for him but glad his sisters don't have to be there as their aunt deals with stuff.

The other reality is that it is incredibly easy to get a bipolar diagnosis. It's the trendy diagnosis. It is also misdiagnosed a lot in women by the old guard of psychology/psychiatry who think women should act a certain way. Bipolar NOS (not otherwise specified) is a catch all diagnosis. ADHD (which used to be a trendy diagnosis) is on the differential with bipolar and has a lot of similarities with a manic episode. The DSM criteria for bipolar includes such subjective symptoms as "risky behavior" which are applied more stringently to women than men.

 

[LonelyChild]

I feel bad because this family has to be totally destroyed right now. It's always hard whenever someone close to you is murdered obviously but to have it be done by another family member? That just makes it so much worse. Does anyone know if the kids were taking by law from their mother or if it was just a mutual agreement between the sisters that Kenneths aunt would raise him and the two little girls? Does his mother still has custody over the older siblings because I do not hear the older siblings mentioned in antyhing and apparently it was just Kenneth and his sisters staying with the aunt. I find it hard to believe the kids were taken by law from mom because if that were the case I'm not sure her sister would've been able to gain custody of those three little kids living in a trailor home herself and add 2 teenagers to that and it's beyond over crowded. I'm not basing the cousin who killed Kenneths actions on her bipolar (I have a brother with Bipolar) I'm just saying knowing teenagers are moody as it is and unpredictable and for her mother to even admit the girl was having problems recently and knowing on top of all this the girl had bipolar the aunts judgement should've been better when it came to leaving Kenneth. I'm wondering if TV ever was alone with the kids minus this one time? It apparently all happened in a matter of 45 minutes which is not very long. To me honestly, as much as I would love to know why Kenneths cousin chose to take the precious childs life from him at the same time I know no matter what the reason was or what happened no reason is a good enough reason to do what she did. It's unthinkable and I can't even imagine the pain and suffering thats going on in this little boy's family right now.

 

[kdgdid]

In the presser the other day the Sheriff said the children had lived with the Aunt for close to a year and she had been their guardian since September. Another MSM article stated that both parents failed to go court to regain custody. On CW's fb in July she says that JW and she split up 6 months ago which would be approx Feb. It would seem that the children probably moved in with the Aunt shortly after the parents split up and because court is mentioned the Aunt was probably appointed their guardian by the court.

I feel bad because this family has to be totally destroyed right now. It's always hard whenever someone close to you is murdered obviously but to have it be done by another family member? That just makes it so much worse. Does anyone know if the kids were taking by law from their mother or if it was just a mutual agreement between the sisters that Kenneths aunt would raise him and the two little girls? Does his mother still has custody over the older siblings because I do not hear the older siblings mentioned in antyhing and apparently it was just Kenneth and his sisters staying with the aunt. I find it hard to believe the kids were taken by law from mom because if that were the case I'm not sure her sister would've been able to gain custody of those three little kids living in a trailor home herself and add 2 teenagers to that and it's beyond over crowded. I'm not basing the cousin who killed Kenneths actions on her bipolar (I have a brother with Bipolar) I'm just saying knowing teenagers are moody as it is and unpredictable and for her mother to even admit the girl was having problems recently and knowing on top of all this the girl had bipolar the aunts judgement should've been better when it came to leaving Kenneth. I'm wondering if TV ever was alone with the kids minus this one time? It apparently all happened in a matter of 45 minutes which is not very long. To me honestly, as much as I would love to know why Kenneths cousin chose to take the precious childs life from him at the same time I know no matter what the reason was or what happened no reason is a good enough reason to do what she did. It's unthinkable and I can't even imagine the pain and suffering thats going on in this little boy's family right now.

 

[FindHG]

Vigil Monday for Kenneth White, Funeral Scheduled Saturday By Web Staff 3:21 pm, today

Albany County sets up Kenneth White fund amid scam concernsBy Lauren Stanforth 3:46 pm, Monday, Dec 22, '14

An official sheriff's department memorial fund has now been set up in memory of Kenneth White, 5. The money will go to his siblings.

 

[GrilledCheezy]

I was hoping someone would set up an official fund. It seems like an awful lot of people who didn't seem to care for any of these children in the past are now ready to profit from poor Kenneth's death. I'd like to believe they have good intentions, but it's difficult.

 

[kimi_SFC]

Vigil Monday for Kenneth White, Funeral Scheduled Saturday By Web Staff 3:21 pm, today

Albany County sets up Kenneth White fund amid scam concernsBy Lauren Stanforth 3:46 pm, Monday, Dec 22, '14

An official sheriff's department memorial fund has now been set up in memory of Kenneth White, 5. The money will go to his siblings.

:tyou: GrilledCheezy for updating us on this.

I wasn't able to pull up the Facebook link via tapatalk so here is an alternate link to the Official Police Memorial Fund story.


WNYT.com - Official memorial fund set-up for Berne boy killed in homicide

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The sheriff's department says this is the only fund "officially sanctioned" by them.
Kenneth was a kindergarten student at Berne-Knox-Westerlo Elementary School.
http://wnyt.com/article/stories/s3657489.shtml




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[GrilledCheezy]

:tyou: GrilledCheezy for updating us on this.

FindHG actually provided the links; I was just commenting. Want to give credit where credit is due! :clap:

 

[kdgdid]

I have also found a gofund account established by JW's brother and another established by JW"s mother neither had many donations. I like you are glad that people can donate if they choose to an official memorial site. That way people are assured the money is going for what it is intended for.

I was hoping someone would set up an official fund. It seems like an awful lot of people who didn't seem to care for any of these children in the past are now ready to profit from poor Kenneth's death. I'd like to believe they have good intentions, but it's difficult.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Vigil Monday for Kenneth White, Funeral Scheduled Saturday By Web Staff 3:21 pm, today

Albany County sets up Kenneth White fund amid scam concernsBy Lauren Stanforth 3:46 pm, Monday, Dec 22, '14

An official sheriff's department memorial fund has now been set up in memory of Kenneth White, 5. The money will go to his siblings.

Thank you SO much for providing those links. Much appreciated.

 

[Jilllian]

Apparently she went to get presents or something from school but even so knowing her daughter had issues especially bipolar where she could be capable of snapping at any second she should not have allowed her near any of those children without anyone else around. My question is why couldn't she have someone else watch the boy while she ran her errands or whatever why leave him in the care of her daughter who she KNEW had issues. She says her daughter did have a big role in raising the kids and bought them things and I'm not saying this girl should not be around the kids at all but atleast she clearly should not have been allowed near them by herself. Sadly this is going to be something this little boys aunt will live with for the rest of her life wondering why she left the boy with her daughter and of course thinking he'd still be here if she didn't leave him there.

So, people with Bipolar Disorder should not be allowed around children without supervision? Because they can snap at any minute? I very strongly disagree with these statements and feel there's a pervasive need for education when it comes to mental health issues. This is a perfect example. I have 20 years experience as a mental health therapist and behavior analyst and can tell you that patients with psychiatric disorders are viewed unfairly as inherently dangerous. In TV's case, her impulsive aggression was most likely linked to her Bipolar Disorder, and probably a comorbid personality disorder as well and maybe drugs too, but to infer that people with Bipolar Disorder shouldn't be left alone with children is unfair, and unsupported by any data and peer reviewed research. Should people with OCD, depression, and ADHD also be required to be supervised around children?

RIP sweet, little man.

 

[LonelyChild]

My statement was worded poorly, The point I was trying to make is that I can not understand why this mother let her teen who was having issues as of later to begin with and who had bipolar alone with her nephew. I never said people with Bipolar should not be allowed around children in general but what I am saying is who knows what other mental issues or issues in general the teen girl had? Obviously right now it seems as if tho not only this girl but her mother as well are clinging to the bipolar as an excuse for her actions and it is not a very good one. Clearly more went on than what we know and I believe this girl was clearly suffering more than we know with more than just bipolar. I know bipolar does not make you kill people or go off the deep end like that because my brother is extremely bipolar and even on his worst day would not ever think of harming a child. He has three children who he raises and takes care of so I'm not in anyway trying to say bipolar people should not be around kids I'm saying the girls mother herself said she had other issues she was dealing with too.

 

[FindHG]

Vigil Photos Lori Van Buren / Times Union

Community Gathers at Vigil Kenneth White, Funeral Scheduled Saturday By: Katie Eastman Updated 8:07 pm

 

[FindHG]

The other reality is that it is incredibly easy to get a bipolar diagnosis. It's the trendy diagnosis. It is also misdiagnosed a lot in women by the old guard of psychology/psychiatry who think women should act a certain way. Bipolar NOS (not otherwise specified) is a catch all diagnosis. ADHD (which used to be a trendy diagnosis) is on the differential with bipolar and has a lot of similarities with a manic episode. The DSM criteria for bipolar includes such subjective symptoms as "risky behavior" which are applied more stringently to women than men.

yep. i get ya, like the new 'Sybil'