Found Deceased NY - Kimberly Rouland, 32, Arcadia, 9 February 2015

[MamaJoJo]

I wonder what happened to the money she withdrew from the bank before she died? Her friend said it was over $800 -- to pay for the apartment the next day.

Should've still been right there in her purse that she left behind, smh :notgood:

 

[Topcat]

That would show up in an autopsy - recent concussion.

Of course, that might have happened and they're waiting for tox screen just to tidy things up. Usually, in cases like that, a preliminary cause of death is released "pending final toxicology tests".

You don't always suffer a concussion when knocked out by a punch or even a hard slap in the right place. I'm not even sure a slight concussion would even show up in a preliminary autopsy.

 

[JeannaT]

You don't always suffer a concussion when knocked out by a punch or even a hard slap in the right place. I'm not even sure a slight concussion would even show up in a preliminary autopsy.

This is sort of down a rabbit trail, but if you get a head injury serious enough to cause loss of consciousness, that is automatically diagnosed as a concussion. There are times you can get a concussion and NOT lose consciousness, though.

Concussion just means a brain injury severe enough to cause loss of consciousness.

But I agree a slight concussion might not show up on autopsy, but one that causes a person to lose consciousness for long enough to be taken somewhere and dumped off, and then they regain consciousness and suffer secondary hypothermia.

Again, sorry for the rabbit trail.

 

[JeannaT]

I wonder what happened to the money she withdrew from the bank before she died? Her friend said it was over $800 -- to pay for the apartment the next day.

That's an interesting question - where is that money now? I think she had saved more than $1000, by not paying any living expenses for awhile so she could move out with her boyfriend.

I think that was what the argument they had was about - her husband wanted part of her income tax refund since he had been supporting her for awhile with no compensation.

 

[Topcat]

This is sort of down a rabbit trail, but if you get a head injury serious enough to cause loss of consciousness, that is automatically diagnosed as a concussion. There are times you can get a concussion and NOT lose consciousness, though.

Concussion just means a brain injury severe enough to cause loss of consciousness.

But I agree a slight concussion might not show up on autopsy, but one that causes a person to lose consciousness for long enough to be taken somewhere and dumped off, and then they regain consciousness and suffer secondary hypothermia.

Again, sorry for the rabbit trail.

Not to drag it out but you can get knocked out without suffering a concussion (unless you fall and land on your head).Sudden pain from a punch or slap on the side of your jaw will have you collapse. Many examples of teens doing it on YouTube. Actually we have a missing person case in Canada, where our victim is filmed being knockout on YouTube. Sometimes it's not the result of the brain being jolted that causes someone to lose conciousness ex blood loss , intense pain or fainting (blood pressure drop).

 

[JeannaT]

Her funeral is this evening.

I wonder if LE is waiting until tomorrow to announce autopsy findings, to help the funeral go more smoothly for family - especially her children.

 

[tarabull]

Body ID'd
http://www.wham1180.com/articles/rochester-news-122742/body-identified-as-kimberly-rouland-13408710

Good friend (Dawn) thinks Kim was murdered. Dawn contacted Kim's husband Tom on Feb. 10, and he told her that Kim had gotten into a car with a guy sometime around 6 to 6:30 -- however, Kim had texted bf Adam (and he showed Dawn the text) from the bathroom of the trailer at 7:09. Tom later changed his story, leaving out the part about Kim getting into a car with a guy. Dawn said that Kim constantly texted Adam throughout the day -- if she went anywhere, she always would tell him. Kim had withdrawn more than $800 from her account on Monday to pay the new landlord. The move into her own apartment was part of the plan mandated by family court to get her children back -- she had to have her own apartment, a job, her own car, and pay her own bills.
http://fingerlakesdailynews.com/news/details.cfm?clientid=16&id=167049#.VQNksPx4qWs

How was she going to accomplish that by moving into the new apartment with Adam???

:thinking:

Just curious...

:dunno:

 

[JeannaT]

How was she going to accomplish that by moving into the new apartment with Adam???

:thinking:

Just curious...

:dunno:

I think there's a little detail here. I don't know that she had to get out on her own, as much as she had to be living separately from her husband. All the child neglect charges (I believe two separate incidents) came from neglect of the youngest child while in the care of Thomas. I don't sense that Thomas was abusive, but just completely unable to supervise a child who liked to wander off.

So it's confusing. The actual order may be that she had to be living in a place away from him - although honestly, if I were in charge of deciding supervision, moving right in with another boyfriend isn't nearly as good as striking out on her own.

 

[Abigail]

With regard to autopsy results, the ME should have determined by now as to whether she died of hypothermia (and if that isn't the cause of death, it would almost surely be homicide). There are certain tell-tale morphological signs of death by hypothermia. And I agree that the COD probably won't be announced until after today's funeral. It may not be announced at all, or at least not until the trial, if there is one. The toxicology report probably won't be completed for at least another month.

 

[JeannaT]

With regard to autopsy results, the ME should have determined by now as to whether she died of hypothermia (and if that isn't the cause of death, it would almost surely be homicide). There are certain tell-tale morphological signs of death by hypothermia. And I agree that the COD probably won't be announced until after today's funeral. It may not be announced at all, or at least not until the trial, if there is one. The toxicology report probably won't be completed for at least another month.

That's an interesting point and I would be curious about the tell-tale signs of hypothermia. There was a case recently in Fort Worth, a mom was found naked and dead and I thought the way that was determined is to rule everything else out, and then decide it must have been hypothermia. I know in hypERthermia, there is brain damage that can be found in autopsy. I thought hypothermia was a cause of death that was assigned when it looked like that was probable and there was no other cause of death that could be determined.

 

[Abigail]

That's an interesting question - where is that money now? I think she had saved more than $1000, by not paying any living expenses for awhile so she could move out with her boyfriend.

I think that was what the argument they had was about - her husband wanted part of her income tax refund since he had been supporting her for awhile with no compensation.

I don't think we really know whether or not she was paying any of the living expenses in the months before her death. I don't recall the husband saying that she was getting free room and board -- only that he felt that Kim should have used some of her tax refund money to pay some of the bills. And, of course, Kim was planning to use that money to move into her own apartment, as part of the plan to get the children back. I'm wondering if the husband was aware of her plans to move out -- and, if the argument that he described to the neighbor (about him wanting her to give him her tax refund) really took place, if she then revealed that she was using the money to move out. I'm also wondering if he knew about Adam. They were apparently keeping the relationship secret -- at least one member of Adam's family wasn't even aware (accdg to FB postings). I'm just wondering where that argument went, and what the outcome of it was?

 

[Abigail]

That's an interesting point and I would be curious about the tell-tale signs of hypothermia. There was a case recently in Fort Worth, a mom was found naked and dead and I thought the way that was determined is to rule everything else out, and then decide it must have been hypothermia. I know in hypERthermia, there is brain damage that can be found in autopsy. I thought hypothermia was a cause of death that was assigned when it looked like that was probable and there was no other cause of death that could be determined.

Some of the morphological signs of death by hypothermia include low weight of the lungs, hyperglycemia, frost erythema (reddish discoloration of skin) and Wischnewsky's spots (erosion of the mucosa of the stomach).

 

[Abigail]

Hmmm...well, found answer to my wonderings as to whether hsb knew about bf -- in Kim's FB, she posted photo of bf holding fish (first fish she caught, with a "little help from my bf")...and guess who "liked" that posting? Weird. Posting was Oct 2014

Husband "liked" over half of her postings -- he really seemed to keep track of them. She added him back on as a friend in Oct.

ETA: another interesting post in Aug 2014 (ice bucket challenge) with a comment about Adam not being on her friend's list (I'm assuming FB friends)

ETA: another interesting post in July 2014 (girl's night out) -- hsb called her "wifey" and she said not to call her that, and he said she was his wife, and she said he wasn't. He indicated no formal separation or divorce. (I'm kinda thinking that the marriage pretty much ended -- in Kim's eyes at least -- when husband caused them to lose the children)

 

[Abigail]

It seems enough time has passed for tox reports to be in. Wonder how the investigation into her death is going?

 

[Topcat]

Bump......

 

[Abigail]

6 months now, and no word. Not even on cause of death? Has someone gotten away with murder?

 

[HTNY]

Major update in the case:

First the DA says the case has finally, officially, been ruled a homicide. The DA also says the case is going to grand jury, but won't say Rouland is the suspect.

Second, Thomas Rouland has been arrested in a separate case.

http://www.whec.com/article/stories/s4009503.shtml

 

[Abigail]

Major update in the case:

First the DA says the case has finally, officially, been ruled a homicide. The DA also says the case is going to grand jury, but won't say Rouland is the suspect.

Second, Thomas Rouland has been arrested in a separate case.

http://www.whec.com/article/stories/s4009503.shtml

Thanks. Just opened the paper and saw the rape charge. Certainly shows he's capable of violence against women. I didn't know the Kimberly Rouland case had been ruled a homicide (that wasn't in the Democrat article in the print version). Sure hope her killer is arrested soon! (and that he's not permitted contact with the children)

In the above article I find it annoying that it says she was last seen living her home. The only person who "saw" her leave was her estranged husband. No one else verified that. I do believe she left that trailer that night, but probably a bit later, and not on her own 2 feet.

Another thing...if the rape happened on Dec. 16, in his trailer, and the victim knew the rapist, why wait til now to arrest him?

And...another thing...why did it take almost 11 months to decide her death was homicide??

 

[Abigail]

Links to other articles on TR's arrest for rape, and KR's death ruled homicide

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2016/01/06/newark-man-charged-rape/78376312/
Alleged rape occurred in his trailer (same one Kim disappeared from) on Dec. 16. Had been dating victim about 3 weeks. They met online. Thomas is a "person of interest" in his wife's murder.

http://www.fltimes.com/news/medical...cle_cb37b694-b551-11e5-a302-f3bb5f79a98e.html
Medical examiner didn't determine cause of death but did rule it a homicide
“It was ruled a homicide. It was not an accidental death and not a suicide,” explained Healy, stating that Tom Rouland is still considered a person of interest in the case. “She was found naked in a snow bank, and when she went missing that night the wind chill was 4 degrees and the snow was very high. The theory is that this had to be caused by somebody else.”

 

[Abigail]

http://www.whec.com/article/stories/s4010736.shtml

"She wasn't shot, stabbed, poisoned, bludgeoned," says District Attorney Rick Healy.

"What we know is we have an otherwise healthy woman who was found in a snow bank, in the middle of nowhere, with no clothes on," Healy says. "Based on those facts, the medical examiner is of the opinion that it wasn't an accident, and it wasn't suicide."

Healy says Rouland's estranged husband, Thomas, has been the only person of interest ever since.