NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #8

[relay]

Do we know if jb and ph know each other in any capacity?

 

[Secret77]

because it's a crime commited during the commision of another crime...

so sad...they feel they have to exploit the victim that way....headline should read

MURDERING JOHN ON THE LOOSE.

The only reason why prostitution is a crime here is because our right-wing hypocritical puritanical laws. Prostitution is legal in Canada, most of Europe and many other countries around the world.
The illegality of prostitution in the US hasn't stopped politicians, sports stars, actors, etc from participating..

Making prostitution illegal only benefits crime cartels, drug pushing pimps, etc.
As a matter of fact, i read a comment in one of the Newsday articles, stating that the four LI victims were killed by the mob as punishment for being independent "workers" and undermining their own business.

 

[Soulmagent]

The only reason why prostitution is a crime here is because our right-wing hypocritical puritanical laws. Prostitution is legal in Canada, most of Europe and many other countries around the world.
The illegality of prostitution in the US hasn't stopped politicians, sports stars, actors, etc from participating..

Making prostitution illegal only benefits crime cartels, drug pushing pimps, etc.
As a matter of fact, i read a comment in one of the Newsday articles, stating that the four LI victims were killed by the mob as punishment for being independent "workers" and undermining their own business.

Even if it were legal ,there would still be people who did it illegally. I would personaly support it except the social issues preventing the spread of STD's and drug use havent been addressed in a very proactive way. Edmonton Canada is a very good example of an area where it is legal but has created a huge impact on the population there. One can scream personal responciblity until they are blue in the face but not everyone is able to make healthy choices as people vary vastly in mental aptitude and status and then drugs affect others in such a way that it is impossible for them to decided anything for themselves much less make a decission. These issues need to be addressed before we allowed it to be legal here and expose the entire population verses the limited population.
When I say limited ,I only mean the population if affects currently, I do not mean that it doesnt reach a large population or that any of us are removed from it or exempt from any problems that the sex trade is riddled with. I only mean as wide spread and as far reaching as the issues are that it could get worse and since nothing is being done to resolve the issues within the sextrade now that things will need to come a long way before they even consider legalizing it. IMO

What if it had been legal in 1969? Can you image the impact that would have now?

 

[internetgirl101]

Good Point...ALC was the only victim who was a local and she was also the latest victim, -as far as we know, disappearing in Sep, 2010. Maybe the SK was feeling more comfortable by then. He had been leaving bodies in that area for three years already without getting caught! So, I could imagine he could get sloppy with his work, or even just extra brave.
Then again, all of these women probably posted in the Long Island section of these websites. Like MW, she was from Maine, yes, but how would someone know that from an ad posted in LI. Maybe he looked for different area codes, so he knew they were from out of town? - Like anything other than 631...MW posted with 207 area code, maybe MBB posted with a 203 CT area code? SG probably posted with a 201 Jersey City area code? maybe MB posted with 716 Buffalo area code, and maybe ALC posted with a 305, 239 FL area code? Just a thought...


About SG’s phone records, I agree the last few calls and the back to back calls are the key. The calls could have been dropped or lost signal, but maybe SG or MP were hanging up. MP could have called SG to come outside since JB wanted her to leave. Maybe she kept hanging up on him?


Here is a link that says a second man was partying with SG that night:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/09/police-second-man-partying-missing-new-york-prostitute/


Also, while snoopin’ around, I found a discussion. I don’t understand everything, but found it all a little strange, especially page 2, where someone says, in a joking manner?, that everyone in Oak Beach has a gun?!
http://appraisersforum.com/showthread.php?t=138334&page=2
And I HAD to google this addy that they talked about…VERY weird. - The direction SG was last running..
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/33-Anchor-Way-Oak-Beach-NY-11702/2146259967_zpid/

HHmmmm..

 

[MrsPC]

The address you posted about belongs to an emergency room doctor who put his property up for sale July 2010.

http://longisland.blockshopper.com/property/47-20-89-243-000-0001-136-001-0000/33_anchor

He was previously posted about here but now I can't find it....perhaps the mods deleted his name. I found where he also has a married brother named Craig who resides in Hauppauge and works as a school principal or super. The doctor had a malpractice suit filed against him that he lost January 2008.

 

[rodent69]

Also, while snoopin’ around, I found a discussion.

I've got one of those too. Check out the comments to this.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/brentwood-ny/TPTJJU1FTPAAN7R6E

I took a similar route and started checking out everyone near the area SG was last seen. Personally, I've written off Brewer, Park, and Hackett as suspects entirely. "Do not name people that are not in MSM" .. kind of makes it hard to discuss anyone else.

 

[dcgrumpy]

Good Point...ALC was the only victim who was a local and she was also the latest victim, -as far as we know, disappearing in Sep, 2010. Maybe the SK was feeling more comfortable by then. He had been leaving bodies in that area for three years already without getting caught! So, I could imagine he could get sloppy with his work, or even just extra brave.
Then again, all of these women probably posted in the Long Island section of these websites. Like MW, she was from Maine, yes, but how would someone know that from an ad posted in LI. Maybe he looked for different area codes, so he knew they were from out of town? - Like anything other than 631...MW posted with 207 area code, maybe MBB posted with a 203 CT area code? SG probably posted with a 201 Jersey City area code? maybe MB posted with 716 Buffalo area code, and maybe ALC posted with a 305, 239 FL area code? Just a thought...


About SG’s phone records, I agree the last few calls and the back to back calls are the key. The calls could have been dropped or lost signal, but maybe SG or MP were hanging up. MP could have called SG to come outside since JB wanted her to leave. Maybe she kept hanging up on him?


Here is a link that says a second man was partying with SG that night:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/09/police-second-man-partying-missing-new-york-prostitute/


Also, while snoopin’ around, I found a discussion. I don’t understand everything, but found it all a little strange, especially page 2, where someone says, in a joking manner?, that everyone in Oak Beach has a gun?!
http://appraisersforum.com/showthread.php?t=138334&page=2
And I HAD to google this addy that they talked about…VERY weird. - The direction SG was last running..
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/33-Anchor-Way-Oak-Beach-NY-11702/2146259967_zpid/

HHmmmm..

Actually they are joking about everyone in Suffolk having a gun not Oak Beach.

I've got one of those too. Check out the comments to this.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/brentwood-ny/TPTJJU1FTPAAN7R6E

I took a similar route and started checking out everyone near the area SG was last seen. Personally, I've written off Brewer, Park, and Hackett as suspects entirely. "Do not name people that are not in MSM" .. kind of makes it hard to discuss anyone else.

That link is to a thread about gangs in Brentwood High School.

 

[MrsPC]

I've got one of those too. Check out the comments to this.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/brentwood-ny/TPTJJU1FTPAAN7R6E

I took a similar route and started checking out everyone near the area SG was last seen. Personally, I've written off Brewer, Park, and Hackett as suspects entirely. "Do not name people that are not in MSM" .. kind of makes it hard to discuss anyone else.

I still believe Brewer is the guy. Since Amber Costello was only in the brush for about 3 1/2 months, I feel certain that law enforcement will be able to get some good forensic evidence from her remains. I think they are probably waiting on the forensics from all the other remains, still hoping to find Gilbert, and getting their ducks in a row, before arresting him & charging him.

 

[rodent69]

I still believe Brewer is the guy. Since Amber Costello was only in the brush for about 3 1/2 months, I feel certain that law enforcement will be able to get some good forensic evidence from her remains. I think they are probably waiting on the forensics from all the other remains, still hoping to find Gilbert, and getting their ducks in a row, before arresting him & charging him.

I can't get past Brewer letting her use her phone. If you are gonna off somebody, you need to keep them away from that cell phone. He had ample opportunity to do whatever he wanted to her, yet there she is on the phone. Same thing with the driver, if he was going to off he missed the time frame when he was driving her to Brewer's before there was a scene.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I haven't ruled Brewer out, but I'm not feeling all that great about him as a suspect. PH, on the other hand...whew boy! If ever someone fit my profile, it's him. But, having said that, there's not much solid evidence to point to him either.

I want to hear more about the drifter guy, personally. I do believe he exists, and I do believe he was at JB's that night. So you tell me, how come mums the word on McDrifty? I find that VERY odd.

 

[rodent69]

I haven't ruled Brewer out, but I'm not feeling all that great about him as a suspect. PH, on the other hand...whew boy! If ever someone fit my profile, it's him. But, having said that, there's not much solid evidence to point to him either.

I want to hear more about the drifter guy, personally. I do believe he exists, and I do believe he was at JB's that night. So you tell me, how come mums the word on McDrifty? I find that VERY odd.

Your profile must be diff than mine. PH just doesn't fit for me. He's successful, smart and frankly came out limping and a ragged mess to talk to reporters. Guess I have a control freak that dots his I's and crosses his T's in mind.
Sure he was callous to reporters, but I think that indicates that the police questioned him about someone he knows but does not particularly like.

I too would like to know more about McDrifty.

 

[MrsPC]

I know it's probably been asked before...but did Brewer have 2 vehicles or 1?

This report discusses the 2004 Jeep Gr Cherokee *and* a white SUV.

http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/worl...annon-Gilbert-hunt-for-Craigslist-Killer.html

 

[goathairjones]

I want to hear more about the drifter guy, personally. I do believe he exists, and I do believe he was at JB's that night. So you tell me, how come mums the word on McDrifty? I find that VERY odd.

What makes you think he's Irish? LOL! Sorry Mountain_Kat, I couldn't resist.

 

[crimesnooper]

I too would like to know more about McDrifty.
Love the McDrifty. I just don't see JB as the guy. There is too much slob in the guy for some reason. I wonder too if the back and forth calls with SG represent an argument. You know... getting mad and hanging up, calling back. The problem with the driver is that there does not seem to be any connection to the others.

 

[goathairjones]

I know it's probably been asked before...but did Brewer have 2 vehicles or 1?

This report discusses the 2004 Jeep Gr Cherokee *and* a white SUV.

http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/worl...annon-Gilbert-hunt-for-Craigslist-Killer.html

I thought the 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee was White. I believe that is his primary vehicle. There is another darker SUV which also may be a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Let me see what I can find on this.

Incidentally, there are a lot of cars parked at his primary residence. I think one is his mothers, one is his wifes and I think they may also rent at that residence too but I am not sure.

But this family owns so many properties in West Islip and it is hard to tell which ones are rented and which ones are not.

 

[goathairjones]

I never saw this website before:

http://devilshopyard.com/Long_Island_serial_killer.html

Pretty good info!

 

[scandi]

I too would like to know more about McDrifty.
Love the McDrifty. I just don't see JB as the guy. There is too much slob in the guy for some reason. I wonder too if the back and forth calls with SG represent an argument. You know... getting mad and hanging up, calling back. The problem with the driver is that there does not seem to be any connection to the others.

I don't see JB as the guy either.

I think we need to find where the lady lives whose door Shannan knocked on after Gus {acc. to Sherre}. Maybe she is single and we can find that out from county records. I think it is either across {kiddy corner} from JB's or down off Anchor towards DrH's property. The resident of 33 Anchor has not been named in the MSM so at this point my mind goes right past him.

I still think there is too much Circumstantial evidence against DrH. When I think of him driving around the neighborhood with red flashing lights atop his car I have to take a deep breath considering what we have learned. And if you were a prostitute whose ad on CL he answered and you didn't call him back as you were afraid of him ~ that just speaks mountains to me. One places an ad to GET customers, right?

These two points have been made in comments so they are not verified, classified as RUMOR now. But I'd bet the farm they have kernels of truth IMO

Gosh, I wish something would break open in this case :banghead:

Do we have a researcher with the mostest? :floorlaugh:

 

[scandi]

I never saw this website before:

http://devilshopyard.com/Long_Island_serial_killer.html

Pretty good info!

Thanks, If that map is correct we have been looking at the wrong house for G Coletti. Google has him living across the street from this house at the end of Fairway on the North side of the road {I think that's right}. Remember we thought it odd for both an even and odd house number to be on the same side of the street.

I don's see any boats by this house, but who knows when the photo was taken.

I think it just gives a different impetus on where Shannan would have run from to meet up with the SK unbeknownst to her.


ETA CORRECTION: I now see Gus was standing in front of another house, not his own, when giving the interview. Google is right than on their map. Sorry

 

[Redbird]

One of the big elements in this SK's profile is his need for a comfort zone in which to operate. I can't see a drifter being involved at all, not really worth looking into. Too far off base.

 

[Just K]

One of the big elements in this SK's profile is his need for a comfort zone in which to operate. I can't see a drifter being involved at all, not really worth looking into. Too far off base.

He is definitely comfortable on the phone.
We don't know if the man in question, the other partier, is a drifter or is nicknamed "Drifter." Also, JB or someone, Drifter, may have only been in the grooming stage with Shannon. That would explain why she was able to have her driver with her. It would be something to find out that each of the other girls were driven to meet their SK client on the first few "dates" and then like in ALC's case got many calls on their final day before agreeing to be picked up and taken away.

One thing that is certain about this killer, he is very connected/obsessed or dependent on the use of telephones. He calls ALC several times, requests (per her roommate/bodyguard) that she leave her phone behind, he calls the little sister several times from a victim's phone, he "supposedly" calls SG's mom and says he is PH, he "supposedly" calls another mom's work phone and says he is LE and additionally "supposedly" calls the boyfriend of one of the girls and taunts/threatens him. This killer seems to enjoy the anonymous threatening phone calls. He may have a history of stalking women by phone and he may have called the girls obsessively. Perhaps LE could ask some of the CL sex workers to think about any clients that called them obsessively.

ETA: Perhaps JB is simply a facilitator and a host for clients. Initially, he may just do the dirty work or legwork of finding a girl and providing an initial meeting place for other men. He just seems like a middle man. IMO.