NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #8

[scandi]

If it's a live interview, the media can not control what a person says. But they do have a responsibility to qualify when someone says something as damaging like mentioning a name. They absolutely have to try and verify the information..People call reporters all the time with information, and you just don't print it because someone says it. You have to check it out, becuase the first rule is..is is true?
It does not mean that what was said during that segment was not true. It means no one would confirm the information. But no reporter worth their salt would pull a segment becuase they did not want to hurt the investigation. They may on occasion hold back info if asked by LE, but that's a whole different thing. I did not hear the interview and I don't know who conducted it. But somewhere in the chain of command, someone realized there was a huge liability issue , not to mention poor journalism, if they allowed future repeats of the information.

Thanks Crimesnooper, When you think about it she let out a real 'biggie', revealing the name of the person who Shannan accused of threatening her life. She stated there was info LE had asked the family to not give out to the public. I am surprised they didn't tell her to not give out his name.

Maybe they wanted it out there in a low key sort of a way to get a reaction from him. Could be ;}

 

[crimesnooper]

Hi Scandi,
I was wondering that myself. LE has got to know that people are not going to keep information to themsleves. We all tell somebody. SO if you don't want it out, don't let it out in the first place. We know LE does not want to compromise thier investigation, but their lack of communication at this point seems so over the top. This is a major crime, with multiple female victims, with so much conflicting information out there..I think it's time they at least addressed some of it. Or let the public feel some progress is being made.

 

[goathairjones]

I just want to throw this out there and see if anyone can find anything. I have an acquaintance that is an acquaintance of JB.

This acquaintance of mine once worked on Wall Street but when I asked someone why he doesn't work on Wall Street anymore, they said because he was banned from working on Wall Street. So he is a ex-financial advisor. I wonder if he knows JB from Wall Street or it is just a coincidence that they are both ex-financial advisors. I wonder if JB was banned as well. MSM would have probably found that information though.

Also, after Wall Street this acquaintance of mine worked a very shady job making lots of money. I really don't want to say what he did but he was making mega bucks. Well that ended at some point. I wonder if he knows JB from that line of business. It wouldn't surprise me.

Sorry I can't provide too much info. Everything I know about this person is hearsay and I haven't confirmed any of it.

 

[relay]

Hi Scandi,
I was wondering that myself. LE has got to know that people are not going to keep information to themsleves. We all tell somebody. SO if you don't want it out, don't let it out in the first place. We know LE does not want to compromise thier investigation, but their lack of communication at this point seems so over the top. This is a major crime, with multiple female victims, with so much conflicting information out there..I think it's time they at least addressed some of it. Or let the public feel some progress is being made.

Sometimes just before a suspect is said to finally be in custody le seems to stop giving out info to the public. I sure hope that is the case here. Or maybe they are waiting for DNA results of the victims found most recently and have little to say until then.

 

[Pinkhammer]

Experts Disagree about Number of LI SK's

http://gothamist.com/2011/05/11/experts_disagree_over_number_of_lon.php

 

[Reannan]

Just a quick note to say "Welcome" to Marye7ny and all of our other new posters!!!! I am so thankful for you being a part of us here at WS's. Ultimately, we need to find SG, and we need to find the person that killed the other people who have been found. In a sick twisted world, it is good to know that there are people who care.

 

[Secret77]

Experts Disagree about Number of LI SK's

http://gothamist.com/2011/05/11/experts_disagree_over_number_of_lon.php

"I wouldn't be so quick to be talking about multiple killers," retired NYPD detective and textbook author Vernon Geberth told the tabloid. "The probability of having two serial killers using the same dumping ground is very, very remote—to the point where I don't buy into it."

hmm..
From what I've read, certain parts of LI beaches are well known to be mafia dumping grounds.
Also, the statement makes no sense, we cannot assume that the rest of the bodies found are the work of a SK.. they can be just murder victims dumped there years ago.
Long Island is, after all, an Island, and the amount of places you could use to dump a body are limited.
Sometimes i wonder about these "author" "experts."

 

[Secret77]

imho, there is something very strange about SG's disappearance.
A lot of things about the case just don't make any sense.

I think the lack of LE response to investigate her case (as documented by her own family), the lack of a suspect, and the Suffolk commissioner firing scandal all point to something very odd.

To see what i am talking about, check these stories:

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/05/off-duty_nj_state_police_offic.html

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/04/28/ronald-bower-twenty-years-of-torture/

 

[future criminologist]

I have stumbled across a bondage/SM site that shows a picture of a girl called Marlena, who bears a resemblance to Shannan. This site shows pictures of their "dungeon" where they are "catering to Fetish and Fantasy roleplay, S&M, B&D CBT, Crossdressing and Medical themes. It claims to be Jasmine's dungeon and employees a large number of girls who advertise at $400 and up. It caught my eye because it is so scary, and because I think all five of the Long Island girls have used the name Jasmine at one time or another. It shows various rooms in "the dungeon" that can be used for various fetish themes. The rooms look high dollar. The place does not look fly-by-night, and the more I thought about it, the more I wondered if it might be something that connected all the girls, aside from Craig's list. It is something I think LE should definitely check out, if they haven't already and I sent an e-mail to the Find Shannan Gilbert website to try to make someone aware of it.

Does the site hint at where this dungeon might be located?

 

[Redbird]

It says it is located in the west side upper 30 in the fashion district, in Manhattan,I think. I just came across an article about Charlie Sheen, saying one of his "goddesses" was a graduate of the place. So maybe this would have been too high dollar for Shannan. I have been researching S&M "dungeons" a little bit. They advertise that they are into role playing only and are legal in NY, offering no sex, just fantasy. Delving into this seedy world, I guess it has layers, subcultures familiar to clients with "special needs."uke:

 

[Seaslug44]

Seaslug, you're local and I'm wondering what you think. Do you think whoever took Shannan would bury her in those trees N of Lamboard Ct? So many bodies end up buried close to where they were killed.

Honestly, no way. I live in a more populated waterfront community on the North Shore and one thing I've noticed that's the same for my community as it is for the one in Oak Beach that also seems to be the same for other waterfront communities around the island is that we tend to have zero privacy. That might sound like a strange way to describe a private community but it's the truth; neighbors within the community watch your every step. they hear everything, see everything... know everything that everyone else is doing.

May 1st is the time of the year when it's nice enough weather for everyone to keep their windows open to enjoy the refreshing sea breeze. Everyone knows that there are strict rules on that island in terms of not being permitted to alter the wooded areas or dunes. Someone digging would a hole would be a big no-no. It's so quiet over there that someone would have heard it.

It's no surprise to me that JB sold his house in OB and moved. His behavior no doubt brought shame to the neighborhood. He simply did not fit in I bet. It's the least likely place you'd expect someone to bring in a prostitute. It's an incredibly quiet community that is practically asleep by 9pm. To have SG running from door to door was most possibly the single biggest event to hit their streets in twenty or thirty years.

I am convinced that SG was driven away and most likely back to the mainland. If they drove her to the east and then south on the Robert Moses Causeway they could have done so without ever crossing paths with the Suffolk police responding to the 911 call because it's a twin causeway that has one bridge for southbound traffic and one for northbound. The police would have been on the other bridge and never been able to stop them.

On the other hand, they could have drove her to the west on Ocean Parkway and once they passed Gilgo beach they would have driven into Nassau county (with a different police department). Unless SCPD informed NCPD (which they rarely do), the police in Nassau would not have had a clue that a person was missing.

 

[Just K]

He separated fall of 2010 from what I understand. Not sure about the mom but I have pictures of the family just can't figure out how to post them. If you send me your email I'll send them.

Do you know if he had another sister with an Italian name?

 

[Seaslug44]

Could be Related to the Manroville killings as the time frame was before his arrest. He lived in Central Islip and that seems fairly close to Manorville. But if that is the case then he was arrested by the time the GB4, in burlap, were discovered 10 months later, in December. Of course, if there was a team approach to the majority of these killings then someone else could have continued where he left off.

Very interesting...

Here's my take on this case; I agree strongly that this may be the victim of the same killer as the ones found in Manorville. I do not agree that the suspect shown in the photo is the killer. If they are related then that person was either framed or falsely accused.

 

[Just K]

Since LE thinks this is merely a dumping ground for murder victims in general, perhaps they are thinking that all but the GB4 and Manorville are random murder victims.

Maybe they are considering that these "workers" were seen by their employer as high risk to their business and maybe the organization would just have any of a number of their other "employees" do the dirty work of killing and dumping the people.

If the theory is taken a step further, any of these murder victims could be killed for any of a number of reasons. Maybe an organization would even kill any potential witnesses like the 62 year old employee of a seedy motel who was shot in the head and left in her car (Lynnbrook) and the 53 year old left in the Riverhead seedy motel room. We know that some of the so called boyfriends of the GB4 have petty criminal records...some having to do with drugs. So, if men are used as drivers, drug dealers, pimps, bodyguards, etc then it's not hard to imagine that some "boyfriends" are used to hurt people. They may even be threatened to do it or else. Even though the head of the organization gives the orders he/she doesn't do the killing themselves. It's possible they use whoever is available or accessible to the person at the time. So, there would be deviations in the mode and locations but all will be left in the same general vicinity...

 

[internetgirl101]

Check out SG's FB Discussions page - Topic: Oak Beach: In Her Shoes

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Praying-for-Shannan-Maria-Gilbert/168485149857128?sk=app_2373072738

It's a long but good read..written by a person who was in Oak Beach supporting SG and her family on the 1 year anniversary of her disappearance. He (Jim) gives a good explanation of the area and the, IMO, heartless people who reside there. The writer traces Shannan's footsteps from JB's to GC's to CPH's.

 

[Sillybilly]

I am convinced that SG was driven away and most likely back to the mainland. If they drove her to the east and then south on the Robert Moses Causeway they could have done so without ever crossing paths with the Suffolk police responding to the 911 call because it's a twin causeway that has one bridge for southbound traffic and one for northbound. The police would have been on the other bridge and never been able to stop them.

On the other hand, they could have drove her to the west on Ocean Parkway and once they passed Gilgo beach they would have driven into Nassau county (with a different police department). Unless SCPD informed NCPD (which they rarely do), the police in Nassau would not have had a clue that a person was missing.

<rsbm & bbm>

My thoughts are a bit convoluted here, but bear with me. I think you'll know where i'm going:

Can anyone find the time that LE says GC made his 911 call? I can't find it right now, but IIRC, it was some time AFTER 5:14 (like 5:22 maybe???)

quotes from:
http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/gilbert-vanishing-reaches-one-year-mark-1.2849214

She had called 911 at 4:51 a.m. and police would be on the phone with her for 23 minutes. It was the last call recorded from that phone. She could not say where she was, and no officers arrived until nearly 6 a.m., after neighbors called 911.

<bbm>

Another confirmation that SG's 23 minute 911 call was the last call from that phone (with the call ending at 5:14). IF she was heard being hauled into a vehicle when the call ended at 5:14, she was on her phone when she arrived at GC's because she had not been taken into a vehicle at that point.

If we are to believe GC, MP was looking for her at GC's house, so if Shannan was still on the 911 call, and being taken into a vehicle, it would have had to have been after she fled from GC's (allegedly towards Anchor Way, Hatch Way, Larboard)

IF GC's 911 call was in fact at 5:22, it would mean Shannan was taken into a vehicle 8 minutes BEFORE GC called 911. That wouldn't jive with GC's info that she fled when he called 911.

Make sense?

Pak looked for Gilbert along Ocean Parkway but said he gave up at 6 a.m., driving back to New York City.

By then, police had arrived in Oak Beach, but Gilbert was nowhere to be found

According to the above timeframes, it doesn't sound to me like MP stayed around to talk with LE.

 

[goathairjones]

Do you know if he had another sister with an Italian name?

Yes Just K, He's got another sister with an ITALIAn name!

Coincidentally the same name as ALC's "sister"

 

[Sillybilly]

Yes Just K, He's got another sister with an ITALIAn name!

Coincidentally the same name as ALC's "sister"

goathair ... you be devious :giggle:

 

[dcgrumpy]

<rsbm & bbm>

My thoughts are a bit convoluted here, but bear with me. I think you'll know where i'm going:

Can anyone find the time that LE says GC made his 911 call? I can't find it right now, but IIRC, it was some time AFTER 5:14 (like 5:22 maybe???)

quotes from:
http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/gilbert-vanishing-reaches-one-year-mark-1.2849214

<bbm>

Another confirmation that SG's 23 minute 911 call was the last call from that phone (with the call ending at 5:14). IF she was heard being hauled into a vehicle when the call ended at 5:14, she was on her phone when she arrived at GC's because she had not been taken into a vehicle at that point.

If we are to believe GC, MP was looking for her at GC's house, so if Shannan was still on the 911 call, and being taken into a vehicle, it would have had to have been after she fled from GC's (allegedly towards Anchor Way, Hatch Way, Larboard)

IF GC's 911 call was in fact at 5:22, it would mean Shannan was taken into a vehicle 8 minutes BEFORE GC called 911. That wouldn't jive with GC's info that she fled when he called 911.

Make sense?



According to the above timeframes, it doesn't sound to me like MP stayed around to talk with LE.

Has anyone besides her family claimed she was "pulled into a truck"?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

If memory serves, Colletti called 911 around 5 am. I can't find the article that confirms that right now, but I remember the time because it was only off by a few minutes (maybe 7 minutes or so) from the time SG's 911 call was logged.