NY - Manhattan lawyer jumps from 8 story window with baby in her arms.
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Seriously, it's the only possible reason IMO Was she into Greek mythology?
The payment for carrying the soul typically was a coin placed under the tongue.
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Is there supposed to be some humor there?
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Okay, I looked it up and I apologize for thinking you were being less than respectful to the child. Did momma have a coin under her tongue too? Again sorry. ty
She was Jewish. I don't think coin episode was at the time of her jumping off.
She just did it in the past. So it's very unlikely it had anything with Greek mythology.
She was Jewish. She put coin into his mouth then removed it. It wasn't at the time of her jumping off. Who knows why she did the things she did, she was obviously unwell mentally.
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No, that's a not uncommon belief. Coin under the tongue or coins laid over the eyes. But if it happened earlier, it must have been something else.
I had PPD too, the depressive kind, back before hardly anybody even knew it existed. I remember feeling like if I didn't get out of my kids' lives, I would destroy them. I think I was thinking of walking out rather than killing myself, but the suicidal thoughts were there, too.
It can happen to anybody, regardless of income level, race, profession, background. Sadly, as in this case, getting help doesn't always help.
I hope she can rest in peace now, and the baby and father can move on. My condolences to them.
I had PPD too, the depressive kind, back before hardly anybody even knew it existed. I remember feeling like if I didn't get out of my kids' lives, I would destroy them. I think I was thinking of walking out rather than killing myself, but the suicidal thoughts were there, too.
It can happen to anybody, regardless of income level, race, profession, background. Sadly, as in this case, getting help doesn't always help.
I hope she can rest in peace now, and the baby and father can move on. My condolences to them.
I don't know.
The practice is still being done in some Greek villages. I don't know if it's tradition at this point or a real belief. Iirc they place the coin in a child's mouth, I think so the child doesn't loose it, adults are buried with a coin in hand or pocket.
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Ancient Jews also placed coins in the mouth it over eyes.
I don't know the reason, just that it was done.
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She was writing about all bad things she did in the past, such as putting a blanket over his face or putting a coin into his mouth then removing it.
It wasn't done at the time of death.
Maybe she was trying to see if he chokes or suffocates. She was suffering from psychosis and not well mentally.
Ooooh.
See, that's what happens when I don't read all the links....blushing....
I don't normally follow these types of cases, so senseless, so sad. I had simply read the responses. I thought the baby had the dime in his mouth for the jump.
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Thank you for sharing your story -- and I think it's great that you are paying it forward! It can be real challenge trying to "get through" to family to get them to realize there's a problem and hard to get these moms to give themselves a break and let others help.
It's hard to find "logical reasoning" in situations like this -- whether it had some traditional/cultural basis or not.
I also suffered from PPD. It was "there" with my first but seemed to work itself out pretty quickly but I had a lot of help from husband & grandmas and no other kids to worry about.
With my third, it was really bad and complicated with other health issues. I had two other little ones, very little help, and I kept trying to white-knuckle it and handle things without asking for help. Then one day I was taking a shower and out of nowhere I suddenly "understood" why some moms feel they were "saving" their kids from something by killing them. I didn't want to do it and had no plans to do it, but the fact that I could suddenly understand this scared the crap out of me. What difference could a day make? Would it suddenly become something I "had" to do?
I got out of the shower and told my (now ex) husband to please help arrange childcare and begged him to not leave me alone with the kids until I was better. I told him I was afraid that one day would be different and I would feel compelled to do something to the kids and then what? He tried to minimize it and didn't want to listen but agreed to go into work late the next day so I could contact our family doctor and a therapist and go from there. My mom didn't want to believe it was "that bad" -- no one wanted to help me make sure I was never alone with the kids! They couldn't wrap their heads around it -- well neither could I!
I visited the dr & therapist -- both told me the same thing: I was lucky and my kids were lucky that I am an "insightful person" and could see the "what if" -- both agreed I was not to be alone with the kids until I got better.
Point is -- it's hard for people to recognize themselves, even harder for others to recognize it sometimes -- that poor dad was probably trying his best to do what he thought was everything he could. Perhaps he was afraid she would harm herself and did all he could but never thought she would hurt the baby?
So sad and we may never understand what she was "thinking."
She wrote a long suicide note. She believed he wasn't developing properly and she was the cause of it. She believed he was going to be very abnormal and didn't want him to suffer. She jumped off with him attached. If she didn't intend to kill him she could have jumped by herself.
It's a miracle he survived.
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Your story sounds quite similar to mine, HopingICanHelp, except that I didn't recognize my own condition until Mr. Carbuff drew the line and said he was moving out with the kids if I didn't get help immediately. Until then I thought I'd been coping. Yeah, very difficult to see in oneself sometimes.
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