NY - Melina Frattolin, 9, Abducted, seen 9:40pm in a white van traveling south on I-87 near exit 22, Lake George, 19 Jul 2025 *arrest*

  • #221
I think you're right. He gave her one last big vacation and then made sure she never found out he was in ruins.

It's a theory that fits with what we know now, subject to change as we learn more.

jmo
LE went for 2nd degree murder, hence no premeditation. Interesting. I also wonder if he ever had the intention at all to get her back to her mum.
But if accidental, why all the kidnapping 2 men plus white van nonsense and hiding her under a log in a pond in a forest. Just call 911 and get help.
Does not make much sense. Looks intentional to me.
Jmo
 
  • #222
DBM
 
  • #223
My SO and I thought something was off about the whole Amber Alert when we woke up early Sunday. No description other than a "white van". I know the area well, as I lived just outside of Lake George for many years, and we still vacation up that way, and where the girl was found. Guessing he did what he did, placed her near or in Arnold Pond, then panicked and drove back down to Lake George. While it's a terrible ending, the NY State Police did a great job getting to the bottom of this.
I also thought something was off and I'm sure many veteran WS-ers did as well. (The "white van" takes me back to the Laci/Scott Peterson case.) But I am so sorry for the loss of this beautiful child. I will never understand how people can hurt and kill children.
 
  • #224
I think premeditated because of the placing the dead body in water. Police criminal complaint states the body was "under a log in a pond", completely submerged. If left in water long enough, dna evidence would be destroyed. Although it would work better on evidence in a car,or evidence by unknown persons, the police found the body by cell phone signal mapping, they know he did it, the only thing to be destroyed is rape evidence.
That would be after the fact, though. While he might have premeditated and planned to put the body under the log, the results don't actually show that just yet, IMO. I'm just glad he's in jail. I know more will come out later.
 
  • #225
By all reports the timeline looks like this:

July 11: left together on a trip to the US, with a focus on NYC and CT.
July 19 @ 5:30: seen on CCTV driving through Saratoga Springs.
July 19 @ 6:30: Melina calls her mom. Where her body was found is about a one hour drive north of Saratoga Springs. [so I'm thinking they pulled into that little parking lot off #74 (about half way between Hwy 87 and Ticonderoga). ]
July 19 @ 7:50, or more likely 9:50, is the time that Dad said Melina was abducted near exit 22 southbound on Hwy 87 (about 30 minutes back south of where Melina's body was found).
July 19 @ ~10:00 pm: 911 call received from Dad.

fyi the Saratoga Springs comment came from this article: Father of Montreal girl who was found dead in N.Y. charged with 2nd-degree murder
 
  • #226
LE went for 2nd degree murder, hence no premeditation. Interesting. I also wonder if he ever had the intention at all to get her back to her mum.
But if accidental, why all the kidnapping 2 men plus white van nonsense and hiding her under a log in a pond in a forest. Just call 911 and get help.
Does not make much sense. Looks intentional to me.
Jmo
I think the "two men and a white van" was the best haphazard excuse he can come up with in a rush while driving away from the murder site. Maybe it was the first thing that came to mind and he didn't have time nor the wits to realize how ridiculous it was.

He definitely was not willing to get caught after-the-fact which is why he chose to conceal the body instead of calling 911. He probably buried her in the first good hiding spot he could find. If this was premeditated he'd have a better hiding spot.

I read somewhere that she was found on Arnold Pond but no way of verifying it. here's photos of the area for reference. More info on Alltrails1753141424914.webp1753141348469.webp
 
  • #227
LE went for 2nd degree murder, hence no premeditation. Interesting. I also wonder if he ever had the intention at all to get her back to her mum.
But if accidental, why all the kidnapping 2 men plus white van nonsense and hiding her under a log in a pond in a forest. Just call 911 and get help.
Does not make much sense. Looks intentional to me.
Jmo

I don't think it was accidental, not at all. I also don't think it was planned long in advance. I also really don't think there was SA or abuse involved.

A self-described "rigid" person, who seemed to have a lot wrapped up in his image as a successful entrepreneur and great dad but is under enormous financial stress and may be about to lose even partial custody (? that part confuses me. A "legal dispute" with his partner shouldn't affect custody).Although maybe he was thinking of fleeing the country to escape his debts, as his business partner alleged. Maybe he was going to try to take Malina but realizes he wouldn't get away with it. So he might lose her completely.

Maybe this rigid man was just feeling incredibly stressed about having to return from vacation to face his failures, then on top of it Malina has a conversation with her mother that enrages him. Maybe she put him on the phone for just a minute to confirm flight number and arrival time. He's reminded how much he resents her. Maybe the child says or does something that sets him off, he's just a tinderbox. He snaps and kills her.
 
  • #228
The father of a 9-year-old Canadian girl found dead in upstate New York was arrested and charged in her murder Monday — accused of killing her just before he was supposed to fly her back home to his ex-wife.

Frattolin and his daughter had been traveling across Connecticut and New York as part of a custody visit he arraigned with his ex-wife, with whom he split in 2019, New York State Police revealed at a press conference Monday.

The dad was authorized to travel with his daughter, who lived with her mom full-time, and had no previous criminal history or domestic violence history, cops said.

I don't know where the "he killed her before she was to fly back home" came from, when they were only 2.5 hours away by car?
 
  • #229
I think the "two men and a white van" was the best haphazard excuse he can come up with in a rush while driving away from the murder site. Maybe it was the first thing that came to mind and he didn't have time nor the wits to realize how ridiculous it was.

He definitely was not willing to get caught after-the-fact which is why he chose to conceal the body instead of calling 911. He probably buried her in the first good hiding spot he could find. If this was premeditated he'd have a better hiding spot.

I read somewhere that she was found on Arnold Pond but no way of verifying it. here's photos of the area for reference. More info on AlltrailsView attachment 603139View attachment 603138
And under a log, or partially.
 
  • #230
I don't think it was accidental, not at all. I also don't think it was planned long in advance. I also really don't think there was SA or abuse involved.

A self-described "rigid" person, who seemed to have a lot wrapped up in his image as a successful entrepreneur and great dad but is under enormous financial stress and may be about to lose even partial custody (? that part confuses me. A "legal dispute" with his partner shouldn't affect custody).Although maybe he was thinking of fleeing the country to escape his debts, as his business partner alleged. Maybe he was going to try to take Malina but realizes he wouldn't get away with it. So he might lose her completely.

Maybe this rigid man was just feeling incredibly stressed about having to return from vacation to face his failures, then on top of it Malina has a conversation with her mother that enrages him. Maybe she put him on the phone for just a minute to confirm flight number and arrival time. He's reminded how much he resents her. Maybe the child says or does something that sets him off, he's just a tinderbox. He snaps and kills her.
I agree. Though Luciano's description of Melina on his Gambella Coffee site was weird, it doesn't give me SA vibes.

Regarding the dispute with his business partner relating to child custody: he was dependent on the AirBnB income to pay his child support, and his business partner allegedly blocked access to his daughter's clothes and toys he had stored in the building.
 
  • #231
I have no doubt that Luciano loved his daughter....so what went wrong? Accident? Revenge? Sudden anger?

This small reel just breaks my heart.

My thoughts are with Melina's mom. No mother should ever go through this.
 
  • #232
What a wicked choice he made. Heartbreaking.
 
  • #233
More seriously, I do not know how you can go from heartfelt professions of love for your daughter to murdering her and leaving her body in a pond. How do you do that, make that switch?
 
  • #234
I'm just going to say that I hate when the media uses over-the-top language to describe everyday people. In this case some media describes Luciano as a CEO. But anyone can start up a business and they will be the CEO. It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

It seems to me that LF tried to start and run various businesses, including one that got mining rights in Ethiopia. It doesn't mean that he delivered anything. It doesn't mean that he's more important or noteworthy than someone who works as a bookkeeper or as a welder.

Yes, he also has a retail coffee business, but anyone could run that type of business. Buy some coffee; roast it; sell it. And it doesn't mean he was successful.

Perhaps the dissonance between his public persona and reality caused him to break, mentally. He seemed to like the high life (traveling to Miami Beach; Vegas; skiing; etc.). Perhaps he wasn't able to pay child support and that would shatter his self-image. He tried to portray a "high" lifestyle, but perhaps he was just an ordinary man who couldn't accept being ordinary.
 
  • #235
Did LF even have an apartment to return to? Was he planning on killing his daughter and take off?
 
  • #236
I don't know where the "he killed her before she was to fly back home" came from, when they were only 2.5 hours away by car?
Melina sounded fine when she made a phone call to her mom around 6:30 p.m. Saturday, shortly before the girl and her dad were scheduled to fly back to Quebec, cops said.

I think that was a boo boo on NYP article.

 
  • #237
I wasn't able to watch the presser and wanted to say THANK YOU to everyone who provided transcription. Much appreciated.

Still left with the big question: WHY??!?

jmo
I have to say, the fact that he claimed she’d been abducted after he pulled over so she could go relieve herself in the woods makes me wonder if perhaps the poor child had an accident and unintentionally soiled the seat of his vehicle. That might’ve enraged him enough to kill her, narcissistic control freak that he is.
 
  • #238
This was nowhere near where she was allegedly abducted. Either he led them to her directly, or his phone did.
Exactly right-they did not find her accidentally.
 
  • #239
Luciano also ran other business that weren't doing well.






Source (in French) | Google Translate Version

Sounds like his finances were unraveling, and with custody of his daughter at risk, he may have felt he had nothing to lose.
I also wondered if perhaps part of the vacation to CT/NY involved visiting casinos—to be clear, this is MOO/just something that came to mind since both states have quite a few of these establishments, some of which are pretty upscale/swanky. Obviously, you couldn’t bring a kid in there, so IF this was something that transpired (and in light of his massive debts/money troubles, I could see it—he would not be the first desperate man who tried to solve his financial issues by gambling), either she stayed at their hotel room or in the car while he gambled. If he had any reason to think she might tell her mother about this, he might have killed her to keep it secret.
 
  • #240
I have to say, the fact that he claimed she’d been abducted after he pulled over so she could go relieve herself in the woods makes me wonder if perhaps the poor child had an accident and unintentionally soiled the seat of his vehicle. That might’ve enraged him enough to kill her, narcissistic control freak that he is.
I originally had the same thought, but I think his story was that he stopped so that he could relieve himself. And while he was occupied, she was taken. Which obviously doesn’t make much sense. I do think it was a scenario like what you described, though. One where he didn’t plan it but reacted with anger/violence to something that annoyed him. :(
 

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