NY - Officer Daniel Pantaleo used deadly chokehold on Eric Garner, Staten Island, July 2014

[CoolJ]

Katydid23, I hate to say it, but you are proving my point loud and clear.

I'm out.

 

[Gardenlady]

True story. My spouse & I made a wrong turn leaving a Chicago convention hall & ended up in Cabrini Green. Two black police officers saw us & knew we didn't belong there. They stopped us & we explained what happened. They said we were in a dangerous neighborhood & they escorted us until we were safely on the interstate. I have been a fan of profiling ever since.

I doubt you would be a fan if it happened that you were black, lost in a white neighborhood, and ended up hassled or worse by white cops because you "didn't belong there".


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[bwt42]

Lost you? Why? Do you think a cop should be allowed to run over a bad guy?

Ha Ha you assumed he was chasing the perp by car. My bad. I should have said a foot chase & the perp was hit by a car.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I am replying to katydid23's post. Read what cop friends have to say about minorities.

Bad guys are bad guys no matter what their color. When the cops ask you to comply you do. It is that simple. What is the worse that would have happened? A citation?? You do what the cops say. period. Im sorry but if he had complied this would have gone completely differently.

If he would have stopped fighting them they would have not grabbed him and sat on him.

 

[Gardenlady]

It is the PROTESTERS that are bringing race into it. Cant you see what that mentality brings to it. Thats what my cop friends were so upset about. They go into the projects to help the friends they have there, and then the community starts protesting saying vile things and threatening them. Calling them racists and killers. Saying they hate blacks and kill them willy nilly. meanwhile my friend helped set up the youth basketball program in So Central and on a daily basis works with black kids, on his own time, for free. And hets death threats from local gangs for being in their hood.

So YES, wish we could leave race out of it. But the racial thing is not coming from me but from the protesters. Screaming black lives matter etc.

Can you not see what you are doing? You are equating the protestors - most of whom are peaceful and have stories of their own - with the "thugs" who threatened your friend.

Protestors are not "bringing race into it". This has been an issue for generations. It did not just crop up with these protests. The difference now is social media, phone cams, and people have HAD ENOUGH. Black lives DO matter!


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[SStarr33]

For those of you who say you cannot see EG breathing, can you look at the cops and assess their breathing? I looked at the video and can't see them breathing either.

 

[al66pine]

I can't think of any scenario where i would consider it a crime worthy of multiple cops on scene and the amount of violence I saw on that video.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

bbm

No scenario? At all? Ever? Ever?
On city street person in riot gear fires machine gun at passing cars and pedestrians?
Just wondering.

 

[SStarr33]

EXACTLY. And that is what I heard first hand from a room full of first responders last night. They are very angry at what they see going on. They feel that many are being very ungrateful for the dangerous things they do on a daily basis. They get calls from people to come help them get their OWN KIDS/GRANDKIDS out of their homes because they are too afraid of them. They get calls about Domestic Violence and armed robberies in the community. And they go and put their own lives at risk, no questions asked.

But they are now feeling like standing down a bit. They do not feel comfortable at this time with the way the public is grandstanding. They feel that the thugs are feeling emboldened and empowered. And it puts the first responders at a great disadvantage.

I sure hope they do this.

 

[Zuri]

For those of you who say you cannot see EG breathing, can you look at the cops and assess their breathing? I looked at the video and can't see them breathing either.

I said I could not see SG breathing in the video and he was unresponsive. The difference being, the others were talking and moving around, not lying on the ground, still. I posted from a medical perspective, nothing more, nothing less. I could be absolutely wrong. I would like to think my 32 years of assessing patients would give me an edge, but maybe not. IMO, JMO, IMPO, IME.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I can't think of any scenario where i would consider it a crime worthy of multiple cops on scene and the amount of violence I saw on that video.


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I don't see violence. I see cops, Not punching or kicking or beating or shooting but just trying to get a person into custody.

 

[bwt42]

What were your thoughts on what you saw? I would be interested in yours and your spouse's perception. I know my DH perception of the incident was different than mine on face value when it first happened.

Cover up? I don't understand that part of the question. TIA

EG certainly looked unresponsive at the least. Not knowing his status we still thought some sort of comfort or aid should have been rendered. As to the cover up, someone suggested upthread the cops were in cover their axx mode. I think they were suggesting the COPS wanted to say he was ok when he was put in the ambulance.

 

[katydid23]

NO, YOU brought race into it. Re-read your post.

I was repeating what I heard at the party. I did not bring race into it. I was repeating how they are feeling.

They are routinely, repeatedly, SENT into minority neighborhoods because of calls FOR HELP from the community . Calls about armed robberies, car jackings, domestic violence, assaults, etc. And they are in danger when in those neighborhoods because of the active and ARMED GANGMEMBERS. And they are usually black or Latino gangbangers.

So that is why they said they are in fear when they go into the minority low income areas. The gangs have automatic weapons and fire at cops quite often. So it makes sense that they have trepidation about patrolling the area.

Being called racist killers is very bothersome and I dont blame them for being upset. One of the cops I am talking about is black. And he is very angry about what is happening now. He feels the minority community is ignoring the violence coming from their youth gangs and putting all the blame on the cops.

 

[katydid23]

If it's not about race, then why are so many non-"" (your word) people out there protesting? Why do so many non-"thugs" have their own story about mistreatment at the hands of LE?

Are they all just simply lying?


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Most of the 'non thugs' are OCCUPY professional protesters. Rev/Com and Code Pink and Jihadists have taken up the call for protetsts and organized a lot of this. they called in peeps from out of town and that is a lot of who youy are seeing. I have been watching the OCCUPY live streams. They are professional protesters wanting anarchy and revolution.

 

[katydid23]

Katydid23, I hate to say it, but you are proving my point loud and clear.

I'm out.

I am sorry you feel that way because I have a lot of respect for you and do not want to argue. I just hope you can look at what the cops are feeling and see it from another perspective.

 

[Gardenlady]

How can you say that the protesters are not bringing race into it? One of the main chants is " NO MO RACIST KILLER COPS!" And chanting 'black lives matter' is implying that cops dont think black lives do matter. What about cop's lives?

I can say that with confidence because violence against minorities by police has been going on for generations. Race was not "brought into it" by the protestors or anyone else. Race has been an issue from the beginning, years and years upon years ago, and continues to be a problem today. No one pulled race out of thin air lol.

This has all been a lonnnng time coming.


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[cady]

Where did that happen here? They asked him for id. How is that assuming he is bad? He was carrying loose tobacco which is illegal yes?

I do not know if he was asked for ID. He seemed to know who the cop was and the cop seemed to know who he was. We do not know if he was carrying "loosies" nor if he was caught that day PEDDLING them. But he was known to be a peddler of loosies, so the presumption was that that was what he was doing. The issue really was did the police use excessive force in arresting him. The GJ said "NO". Many American citizens see it differently. Some are protesting. JMO

 

[Gardenlady]

bbm

No scenario? At all? Ever? Ever?
On city street person in riot gear fires machine gun at passing cars and pedestrians?
Just wondering.

I was saying that I can't see a scenario where selling loose smokes is worthy of that kind of response. Nothing at all to do with when an armed person is potentially threatening innocent lives.


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[katydid23]

I was saying that I can't see a scenario where selling loose smokes is worthy of that kind of response. Nothing at all to do with when an armed person is potentially threatening innocent lives.


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But what happens if a person refuses to be arrested. Are cops supposed to shrug and walk away?

 

[Gardenlady]

Most of the 'non thugs' are OCCUPY professional protesters. Rev/Com and Code Pink and Jihadists have taken up the call for protetsts and organized a lot of this. they called in peeps from out of town and that is a lot of who youy are seeing. I have been watching the OCCUPY live streams. They are professional protesters wanting anarchy and revolution.

Most? Really? Do you have a citation or source for that? Or just the limited view you have gotten from watching occupy live stream? You know their intentions? You know that "most" are just lying about having been hassled by cops simply for being a person of color?

Every person of color in my family or that I know has their own story. And I can absolutely guarantee you that at least 80% have no idea what "occupy" or "code pink" are lol. I guess they are all making their stories up. I guess I am making my own up!


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[cady]

I am sorry you feel that way because I have a lot of respect for you and do not want to argue. I just hope you can look at what the cops are feeling and see it from another perspective.

I see it from both sides and it is obvious that there is a problem that needs to be worked on. It is so easy to blame one group or another, but blaming is not a solution. I feel for the guys who shared their thoughts with you at your son's house. That was not public, it was among friends and family,and I believe them. Did anyone suggest possible solutions? JMO