NY - Officer Daniel Pantaleo used deadly chokehold on Eric Garner, Staten Island, July 2014

[Zuri]

I am too broad and sweeping? When your post was the one that said you grew up and realized it was all invalid? Lol!

Easy to say, easy to dismiss - I will ask again. How many of the people with a story are making it up, in your opinion? How do you account for all the stories? And with all the stories people have, how on earth can you dismiss their viewpoint as invalid?

Because it sounds to me like doing nothing more than sticking fingers in ears an chanting "lalalalala can't hear you!"


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I can't dismiss the stories as there seems to be a common thread amongst them. I can't relate at all as this has never happened to me. Perhaps this is where the disconnect lies. However, I have compassion for the struggle even though I can't identify with them.

Where I have a problem is the reaction: the protests, the looting, the violence as a result of the GJ outcome. To my mind, they serve no purpose and only further stereotyping. It is like a vicious circle sometimes and I don't have a clue how to fix it.

 

[Zuri]

Listen to these women - are they all making it up?

http://www.uexpress.com/parents-talk-back/2014/9/29/black-moms-tell-white-moms-about/


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This is heartbreaking to me. The norm for these mothers is not my norm. My talk with my son, when he was 18, consisted of the issues of dating girls that were slightly younger than he was. This pales in comparison.

 

[SCHMAE]

Bumping up my previous post as the thread has gone completely off the rails.
This thread is temporarily closed for review while I clean up...

:bump: We've already lost the thread once !

 

[SCHMAE]

The thread is open again. Race discussions are off limits. Please remember that when posting. This is not new and is standard across the board. Thank you...

And another bump.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I can't dismiss the stories as there seems to be a common thread amongst them. I can't relate at all as this has never happened to me. Perhaps this is where the disconnect lies. However, I have compassion for the struggle even though I can't identify with them.

Where I have a problem is the reaction: the protests, the looting, the violence as a result of the GJ outcome. To my mind, they serve no purpose and only further stereotyping. It is like a vicious circle sometimes and I don't have a clue how to fix it.

Exactly. It's the dog chasing it's tail.
And for me, that means we need further research. More studies.
And I would start at the beginning: what do citizens feel are the job duties & the role of LE?
Find out & look at the perceptions in the various subsets. Give detailed examples of crimes in this research & list a variety of outcomes that LE should do as a reaction. That would be helpful research.

That would be a start to understanding the root of this problem.

Moo

 

[Gardenlady]

This is heartbreaking to me. The norm for these mothers is not my norm. My talk with my son, when he was 18, consisted of the issues of dating girls that were slightly younger than he was. This pales in comparison.

Many thanks for reading it. Really, people just want to be heard, and have their pain an experiences acknowledged - not to have them dismissed by people who (through no fault o their own honestly) cannot really relate.

Again, thank you.


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[Gardenlady]

Exactly. It's the dog chasing it's tail.
And for me, that means we need further research. More studies.
And I would start at the beginning: what do citizens feel are the job duties & the role of LE?
Find out & look at the perceptions in the various subsets. Give detailed examples of crimes in this research & list a variety of outcomes that LE should do as a reaction. That would be helpful research.

That would be a start to understanding the root of this problem.

Moo

And another start would to hear people, and not dismiss their experiences.


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[leah]

It sure would be a good idea to release the documents from the grand jury. May not change minds of many people, but maybe make more sense to why the jurors came to the conclusion. Or it may make people angrier to see why they came to the conclusion.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

This is heartbreaking to me. The norm for these mothers is not my norm. My talk with my son, when he was 18, consisted of the issues of dating girls that were slightly younger than he was. This pales in comparison.

A lot of it was the same talk that my older family members taught me. And I listened.
Big city girl, violent area and all that.

 

[Gardenlady]

I can't dismiss the stories as there seems to be a common thread amongst them. I can't relate at all as this has never happened to me. Perhaps this is where the disconnect lies. However, I have compassion for the struggle even though I can't identify with them.

Where I have a problem is the reaction: the protests, the looting, the violence as a result of the GJ outcome. To my mind, they serve no purpose and only further stereotyping. It is like a vicious circle sometimes and I don't have a clue how to fix it.

I think most people have a problem with looting and violence. I know that I can understand the anger behind it, but also disagree with it and have a problem with it.

What I don't understand is having a problem with protests? We have a right to do that; IMO we also have a moral duty to that if, if we feel it is the only way to have our voices heard on an issue.


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[cady]

I can't dismiss the stories as there seems to be a common thread amongst them. I can't relate at all as this has never happened to me. Perhaps this is where the disconnect lies. However, I have compassion for the struggle even though I can't identify with them.

Where I have a problem is the reaction: the protests, the looting, the violence as a result of the GJ outcome. To my mind, they serve no purpose and only further stereotyping. It is like a vicious circle sometimes and I don't have a clue how to fix it.

No one enjoys protests, but protests do serve a purpose; they are the powerless rattling the attention of the powerful. When they become crimefests, the purpose is defeated. But protests have always been an element of our culture, from the Boston tea party to MLK with a lot in between and beyond. The incident that sparks them is not what they evolve into. They are generally a reaction to the overreach of power. That they are tolerated is a sign that we are still some semblance of a democracy. JMO

 

[Zuri]

I think most people have a problem with looting and violence. I know that I can understand the anger behind it, but also disagree with it and have a problem with it.

What I don't understand is having a problem with protests? We have a right to do that; IMO we also have a moral duty to that if, if we feel it is the only way to have our voices heard on an issue.


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The protests just seem destructive, and frankly from my POV, ridiculous. I don't deny it is anyone's right at all. I just can't get the picture of dispair on the face of the barber shop owner whose business was burned down in Ferguson. He didn't deserve that.

When you are trying to bring attention to a grievance, there are better ways to go about it IMO. Otherwise, you run the risk of diminishing the point you are trying to make. But that is just my view. Right, wrong, or indifferent. I just don't know a specific, better way either. I wish I did.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I think most people have a problem with looting and violence. I know that I can understand the anger behind it, but also disagree with it and have a problem with it.

What I don't understand is having a problem with protests? We have a right to do that; IMO we also have a moral duty to that if, if we feel it is the only way to have our voices heard on an issue.


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Maybe sometimes protests turn into looting & violence?

I don't know....

 

[SCHMAE]

I think most people have a problem with looting and violence. I know that I can understand the anger behind it, but also disagree with it and have a problem with it.

What I don't understand is having a problem with protests? We have a right to do that; IMO we also have a moral duty to that if, if we feel it is the only way to have our voices heard on an issue.


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Agreed ! Protest until the cows come home. Just don't break, burn, steal, fight while doing so !!! Once looting and violence breakout, the cause of the protest is lost in the mix and is overshadowed. It's the OPPOSITE of making a positive impact for your cause !

 

[Harmony 2]

Race, politics, baiting, snark, condescension, and personal posts toward other members are slowly creeping into the thread again. Veiled or implicit posts about race are still attempts at discussing it. Don't go there folks!

 

[Elley Mae]

I have searched and can not find that nyc police are required to perform cpr.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I think a lot of focus is put on criticizing LE responses but when we apply critical thinking strategies....what is the responsibility of citizens? They are part of the equation too!
How is a responsible citizen suppose to react?
I am really & sincerely questioning if a citizen has a responsibility in the reaction?

If so, what is it?

 

[Gardenlady]

I have searched and can not find that nyc police are required to perform cpr.

One would think it's a requirement simply of being human to administer aid to someone in distress.

It's really sad that there needs to be a law requiring it.


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[Gardenlady]

I think a lot of focus is put on criticizing LE responses but when we apply critical thinking strategies....what is the responsibility of citizens? They are part of the equation too!
How is a responsible citizen suppose to react?
I am really & sincerely questioning if a citizen has a responsibility in the reaction?

If so, what is it?

Certainly citizens have their own duties, but the armed officers of the state should be held to a much higher standard.


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[Zuri]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

I take back partially what I said before now that I have thought about it. I Think demonstrations sometimes are needed to get a POV across. It is the destruction I have a problem with.

For example, in NYC, the protestors marched somewhat peacefully, but then began throwing trash in the streets. What purpose did that serve other than to make the cops clean it up? Granted, This is minor. When I saw the pics of a bunch of Upper East Side kids participating in a "die in" in Macy's Herald Square, I don't think their message was taken seriously, and was thought to be more of a nuisance.

Seriously, I am not sure what message the protestors are trying to send. I am a little confused on that part. What exactly are they protesting about? The GJ decision or something deeper? TIA