NY - Officers pry 1-year-old from Brooklyn mom's arms during arrest, 7 Dec 2018

[miimaa]

She'll own half the city when the litigation gets done with this one...

Well for gosh sakes I hope not! She was asked to more and she refused. What basis does she had to sue the city?

 

[miimaa]

Why is there the need to treat people like this? Surely this is OTT.

Because people don't think rules and civil behavior apply to them? She was asked to more. She refused.

 

[miimaa]

That was horrible to watch. While watching LE try to wrestle the baby away was horrible I have to ask, WTH is wrong with that mother? She has her baby in her arms and is willing to be defiant and refuse to get off the floor? Refuse to leave the building when asked? I don’t understand a mom holding her child putting herself in that situation to start with!! Did she think everyone would just walk away and let her do as she wanted? I just don’t understand.
I’m aware this isn’t a popular stance but she holds most of the responsibility here.

Yes it appears she expected to be accommodated despite blocking the traffic of others that were there before her. The news reports said the seats were filled so I would think that only means other people arrived before her.

 

[Sulamith]

Well for gosh sakes I hope not! She was asked to more and she refused. What basis does she had to sue the city?

Manhandling?

 

[beatrixpotter]

I would almost bet that everyone supportive of ripping her baby from her arms and putting the child in foster care all fall within a certain age demographic. Back in the good old days of when "rules and civilized" behavior involved ripping children away from mothers when the mothers were disobedient.

 

[miimaa]

For sitting on the floor?

No not for sitting on the floor. For blocking traffic of other people there and refusing to more. The intitial story was she was there to 'pick up' vouchers for another person but the real story is she was there to get vouchers for herself. No matter! Either way she was asked to move and by refusing continued to block other patrons.

 

[miimaa]

You call the police, or Security guards, they often seem to escalate a situation. They expect to people to obey their commands, if you don't follow the commands, you are defying LEO authorities, and that starts the escalation.

When I was in training for Special Education we were taught non violent de-escalation, perhaps that should be part of LEO training as well.

However, it is a sad comment on our society that no one in the office, offered a chair for a Mother with a child. And, I don't understand why the Mother was so insistent on sitting on the floor.

Because the seating area was full

 

[miimaa]

mly address the situation. Everyone in power had to stupidly and foolishly escalate it.[/QUOTE]

snipped by me
I want to quote this one part right here -- " people like to pretend that LE are never responsible for anything". That statement is completely FALSE!!! This mother was asked to move and she refused. Like it or not there are rules in society and they apply to EVERYONE!! Let me repeat that - EVERYONE!! It doesn't matter if you are are tired or broke or anything else. In every civilizied society there are rules of conduct and anyone that choses to blatantly disregard them are subject to repercussions. Deal with or don't and find yourself on the news.

 

[miimaa]

Manhandling?

Did you watch the entire video and read the backstory? She was ASKED to move and refused. When you are in a public place and asked to move because you are blocking the flow of traffic what do you do? Get pissed off and expect the rules don't apply to your special self?

 

[miimaa]

I would almost bet that everyone supportive of ripping her baby from her arms and putting the child in foster care all fall within a certain age demographic. Back in the good old days of when "rules and civilized" behavior involved ripping children away from mothers when the mothers were disobedient.

If the mother is so emotionally disturbed she cannot conduct herself in a civil manner in public perhaps the child should be removed from her custody.

 

[Jennifer17]

No not for sitting on the floor. For blocking traffic of other people there and refusing to more. The intitial story was she was there to 'pick up' vouchers for another person but the real story is she was there to get vouchers for herself. No matter! Either way she was asked to move and by refusing continued to block other patrons.

BBM. I thought that the article said that she was not blocking any doorways or thoroughfares and that she was there for vouchers for childcare.

 

[Jennifer17]

If the mother is so emotionally disturbed she cannot conduct herself in a civil manner in public perhaps the child should be removed from her custody.

And if LE cannot get a person to do their bidding without force and escalating situations, maybe they should not be LE.

 

[bwt42]

I would almost bet that everyone supportive of ripping her baby from her arms and putting the child in foster care all fall within a certain age demographic. Back in the good old days of when "rules and civilized" behavior involved ripping children away from mothers when the mothers were disobedient.

I respect the opinion of all posters no matter what age demographic they are in.

 

[miimaa]

And if LE cannot get a person to do their bidding without force and escalating situations, maybe they should not be LE.

If society did not have LE what would that look like? Do you want to live in chaos? This story seems very simple. Woman was asked to move due to blocking the movement of others. She refused.

 

[Jennifer17]

If society did not have LE what would that look like? Do you want to live in chaos? This story seems very simple. Woman was asked to move due to blocking the movement of others. She refused.

No, of course I don't think that there should not be an LE, but they should be trained in de-escalation strategies and conflict resolution instead of using force.

 

[kimlynn]

Probably tired from holding a child

Probably. Even a small child gets heavy if you have to hold them a long time.I don't know how long she stood but it was said that some stood in line for two hours.IMO

 

[human]

From where I’m sitting it’s more like...For goodness sake, putting her child in this kind of danger because SHE wanted to sit on the floor. JMO

Since when is anyone supposed to think they are putting themselves in danger with LE.

When I was in school decades ago, we were taught LE is your friend. Now we are supposed to be terrified of them.

 

[Jennifer17]

Probably. Even a small child gets heavy if you have to hold them a long time.I don't know how long she stood but it was said that some stood in line for two hours.IMO

Not only that, but they get fidgety and want to get down.

 

[human]

Back in the day, this is what Officer Friendly would do.

“Miss, I see there are no seats and you have to sit on the floor with your child. I wonder if we can find something better for you. This must be so hard for you and the little one.”

 

[BelleIsle]

Back in the day, this is what Officer Friendly would do.

“Miss, I see there are no seats and you have to sit on the floor with your child. I wonder if we can find something better for you. This must be so hard for you and the little one.”

This. We need this.