Resolved NY - Queens, Living Male, Hispanic/Latin under 40, nonverbal, Oct'17 - Name withheld

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CW: link contains photo of UID patient, with active tracheostomy visible; individual appears to be in pain/discomfort/distress

There is a NamUs listing for a *living* individual, found 9 October 2017.

According to the listing:
· male
· Hispanic / Latinx
· adult < 40 y.o.
· ~ 5'6" - 5'7" (66 - 67 in)
[~ 168 - 170 cm]
· ~ 140 - 150 lbs
[~ 63 - 68 kg]
· black hair
· both eyes brown
· admitted to hospital in Queens, New York County, New York State, USA
· stated as 'nonverbal & unable to communicate'


The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Edit: no listed MP exclusions
 
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  • #2
Oh man - poor guy. I wish there was some more information about how/when he was found. The only thing I can find happening around that date was a bus crash in Queens where 3 people were killed and 16 injured. 3 die as buses collide at New York City intersection

It looks like he had some pretty good trauma to the face/head as those scars are pretty well healed. I wonder when this picture was taken and how long he had been in the hospital. I also wonder why they think that his name might be Haroldo Garcia. A copy of the police report would be really helpful in this case.

Is the "found on tribal land" an error? I couldn't find any directly in Queens when I was trying to figure out where he might have been. Also I wish I could put some moisturizer on his poor lips. This is so sad and it seems like they really didn't release much information at all to help the public ID him.
 
  • #3
I can't find any information on this guy anywhere wish we knew more to help get him identified. Hope his family finds him soon.
 
  • #4
Thank you to whomever amended the headline for this post. We were unfamiliar with the format and did not find precedent for Unidentified Living. This version is much more informative and concise. We will take that as example for any future postings. The amendment is appreciated.
 
  • #5
Oh man - poor guy. I wish there was some more information about how/when he was found. The only thing I can find happening around that date was a bus crash in Queens where 3 people were killed and 16 injured. 3 die as buses collide at New York City intersection

It looks like he had some pretty good trauma to the face/head as those scars are pretty well healed. I wonder when this picture was taken and how long he had been in the hospital. I also wonder why they think that his name might be Haroldo Garcia. A copy of the police report would be really helpful in this case.

Is the "found on tribal land" an error? I couldn't find any directly in Queens when I was trying to figure out where he might have been. Also I wish I could put some moisturizer on his poor lips. This is so sad and it seems like they really didn't release much information at all to help the public ID him.

Agreed. More information might seem more helpful; at this time, the NamUs file is the only source located. The search for (potential) related incidents is appreciated; in NYC jurisdiction, however, an "Aided" does not include persons injured in motor vehicle collisions. One might hope any healed scars would be unrelated to the [then-] current incident -- typical (mild to moderate) dehydration would usually be resolved within a few hours of admittance, whereas the chapped lips would seem to indicate present [relative to date of picture] status of dehydration. Another possibility might be exposure; one might expect that to be cleared within days. Scars usually would form after a significant passage of time. Based on that, one might estimate the photo could have been taken relatively soon after admittance (perhaps after stabilization, or whatever else may have been deemed more immediately necessary). Without medical records, it's basically conjecture. Nearest Tribal lands appear to be Shinnecock and Poospatuck in Suffolk County; unclear whether or not that would be an error at this time. Submission of further records request is pending. Thank you for your interest in reuniting this individual with their identity and any potential loved ones. [Edit to add: reference to scars and Tribal lands, in response to quoted post.]
 
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I can't find any information on this guy anywhere wish we knew more to help get him identified. Hope his family finds him soon.

Thank you for your interest and efforts. As noted above, request for further information is pending.
 
  • #7
He was found in October of 2017 and only listed as an unidentified living person in May of 2019? has he been hospitalized or in a facility since October 2017? Also, what does Aided mean in this context?
 
  • #8
Most likely he has been placed in a long term care facility and I think that in this case "aided" means someone who requires constant aid or cannot care for themselves if left alone maybe they had to get a court order to place him in long term care. I'm not real sure I could be wrong but that is how I understand these type situations to work.
 
  • #9
Most likely he has been placed in a long term care facility and I think that in this case "aided" means someone who requires constant aid or cannot care for themselves if left alone maybe they had to get a court order to place him in long term care. I'm not real sure I could be wrong but that is how I understand these type situations to work.

I was also wondering about the "aided" designation. Could you explain that @snakes? It sounds like you're familiar with what they're talking about. Is it a category/designation of police reports? Or more like legal guardianship?

I was guessing that the photo was taken when they put him up in NAMUS as opposed to taking it soon after admission. He'd have been on a ventilator for awhile before a trach was placed so he'd been hospitalized for some time already. I was guessing that the healed scars were related to the head trauma that likely caused the significant brain damage. As for the lips, my guess is that he's probably in an associated long term care facility with poor staffing where they don't have time to put lip balm on him regularly.

But like I said - totally guessing here. And thanks for requesting those records, snakes!
 
  • #10
He was found in October of 2017 and only listed as an unidentified living person in May of 2019? has he been hospitalized or in a facility since October 2017? Also, what does Aided mean in this context?

The information on NamUs is basically the only given information at this time. Further requests are pending. If the file says the individual was found October 2017 and listed May 2019, then that is the working information. Aside from typographical error, other possibilities might include: previous listing removed; previously entered in some other database (use of NamUs is not compulsory in all jurisdictions); previously misidentified.

"Aided" status, in context of NYCPD, would apply to an individual who received some kind of service from NYCPD, as one who had sustained illness or injury (excluding motor vehicle incidents), or had been lost. This term might hold other meanings in other fields.
 
  • #11
Most likely he has been placed in a long term care facility and I think that in this case "aided" means someone who requires constant aid or cannot care for themselves if left alone maybe they had to get a court order to place him in long term care. I'm not real sure I could be wrong but that is how I understand these type situations to work.

Please see above reply.
 
  • #12
I was also wondering about the "aided" designation. Could you explain that @snakes? It sounds like you're familiar with what they're talking about. Is it a category/designation of police reports? Or more like legal guardianship?

I was guessing that the photo was taken when they put him up in NAMUS as opposed to taking it soon after admission. He'd have been on a ventilator for awhile before a trach was placed so he'd been hospitalized for some time already. I was guessing that the healed scars were related to the head trauma that likely caused the significant brain damage. As for the lips, my guess is that he's probably in an associated long term care facility with poor staffing where they don't have time to put lip balm on him regularly.

But like I said - totally guessing here. And thanks for requesting those records, snakes!

Please see reply above for "Aided".

It does make sense the picture might be current to time of NamUs listing. At this time, there's little we know.

Presence of trach would not necessarily mean an individual had been on ventilator for any length of time -- Depending on circumstance, condition, whether or not PMV (prolonged mechanical ventilation) would be expected, opinion of medical staff, prognosis, and goals of patient / advocating party, tracheostomy may be performed early. (See, for example, To Trach or not to Trach: Uncertainty in the Care of the Chronically Critically Ill, which discusses early vs later trach, patient preference, outcomes, and problems with the few extant studies).

The theories you've posted make sense; however, there are many, potentially interacting, variables. Without viewing a medical report stating that the UIDPatient sustained head trauma resulting in significant traumatic brain injury in the involved incident, for instance, I wouldn't be certain. Chapped lips could result from exposure / dehydration unresolved at the time, or from chronic dehydration or malnourishment, for example. I could follow you down a path of possibility, but I'd likely be able to both support and contradict any offered assumption. To some people, understandably, that might feel frustrating (or, to some, even worse, insulting) -- and when more information does become available, we could learn everything we've conjectured about this case is wrong.

The requests for further information have been sent out. There's no eta on fulfillment. I wouldn't expect anything before late next week; it might take substantially longer.

If you'd like to discuss possibilities, and don't mind a counter-argument to everything you say, I'm open to exploring a few theories. Please forgive any delay in reply.
 
  • #13
You're totally right - it's all speculation at this point. I'm excited that you've gotten the ball rolling in requesting more information, though! Thanks for making that step.
 
  • #14
You're totally right - it's all speculation at this point. I'm excited that you've gotten the ball rolling in requesting more information, though! Thanks for making that step.

Speculation has likely led to some great leads. Certainly I don't mean to discourage; that's part of why forums like this exist.

It can be very useful to explore possibilities; it can also be important to keep track of which points in the theory are official / verified / researched, and which are educated guess / speculation / conjecture / etc. . The less information available, the more the latter may become increasingly key / necessary / all there is to pursue.

It's good to see interest in this case. Thank you for taking notice, and for caring enough to give it some thought. Your continued interest would be appreciated. When more information is available, the intent is to share what I can.
 
  • #15
just to update: still waiting for report. figured the earliest would be late last week / early this week. no real timeframe to go by. lack of solid info on location of incident might or might not hamper things. .. the irony is not lost that if we knew the location, we might more quickly have the report, and if we had the report we might know the incident location. a lot of life is like that at times. .. anyone with fresh leads / tips to make the wheels move faster, is welcome to share. right now, it seems mostly like waiting. life is often like that, as well.
 
  • #16
just to update: still waiting for report. figured the earliest would be late last week / early this week. no real timeframe to go by. lack of solid info on location of incident might or might not hamper things. .. the irony is not lost that if we knew the location, we might more quickly have the report, and if we had the report we might know the incident location. a lot of life is like that at times. .. anyone with fresh leads / tips to make the wheels move faster, is welcome to share. right now, it seems mostly like waiting. life is often like that, as well.
I'm so glad that you started a thread for this guy. I saw a post about him on Facebook a while back. I really hope he is identified and reunited with his family. To be alone for years in a facility where you know no one and on top of that being unable to communicate. That sounds miserable. I hope you will hear something back soon @snakes. Thanks for reaching out for the report.
 
  • #17
I'm so glad that you started a thread for this guy. I saw a post about him on Facebook a while back. I really hope he is identified and reunited with his family. To be alone for years in a facility where you know no one and on top of that being unable to communicate. That sounds miserable. I hope you will hear something back soon @snakes. Thanks for reaching out for the report.

thank you for your kindness toward this individual. would you happen to have a link to the post you had previously seen?
 
  • #18
Could the scars possibly be instead vitiligo? However, isn't vitiligo supposed to be more visible? Idk. Just me overanalyzing.
If they are burn scars (which they look like to me), then he possibly came from someplace where he was being physically abused. This is just a possibility
Another question I have is where did they find him? I think that maybe wherever they found him might bring light to the case.
 
  • #19
Could the scars possibly be instead vitiligo? However, isn't vitiligo supposed to be more visible? Idk. Just me overanalyzing.
If they are burn scars (which they look like to me), then he possibly came from someplace where he was being physically abused. This is just a possibility
Another question I have is where did they find him? I think that maybe wherever they found him might bring light to the case.
It looks like vitiligo to me/
 
  • #20
Aided Record Request Update:

Unfortunately, the request was was answered with a 'No Record Found' response.

This leads me to believe that any one or combination of the following are true: the information found in the NamUs file differs from the information in the Aided record; the inclusion of information found and not found in NamUs, in fields required and other than those strictly required, led to denial based on mismatching info between the request and the record; the record has been sealed, expunged, classified, etc..

If the NamUs information differs from the Aided record information, it's possible that the admission to Booth was not the Incident / Occurrence of record (as far as NYPD Aided records are concerned). If the UIDL Individual was assisted anywhere other than Booth before admittance, the record request would feasibly not match the Aided record. (Location of aided incident is a requisite field).

Depending on rules and technical adherence, any variation (even if true) between the information provided on the request and the information of record could result in denial. For example: in a field requesting year of birth, even if the given range were accurate, if the Aided record leaves off this field or uses a slightly different range, or gives a one-number estimate, this difference could give grounds for denial.

Records inaccessible due to legal and/or security concerns would be largely out of reach without further professional assistsnce / intervention.

There is a plan to consult with an additional party ( / parties) regarding the Record Request; this may take some time.
 

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