NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - # 4

[McSpy]

Contractors I believe in general would not leave their tools at a site unless it was in some lockbox. They lose tools,that's their livelyhood, they're screwed.

I agree.

 

[Blythe]

Parking the car in the one place he would never want it parked, leaving no scent outside the car, and leaving the car seat too up close to the steering wheel for his size - so strange to have three things like that... seems like a ruse, but can't figure out the sense of it..

Thinking about having a secret affair... very tricky in that let's say he meets someone where he works. They would not right from the moment they first meet say - "let's not be seen by anyone". There always some flirting, some testing to see if the other person's interested, that takes place before things get serious... what I trying to say is those around him would mostly likely see/sense that something going on, or about to go on, or that he's got a roving eye.

Agree with you on all counts.

In my experience, people having affairs are naive enough to think they haven't been obvious. Also, why run away from one situation into another?

Maybe, he left temporarily but found out he could get by and liked it. Summer on Long Island is amazing. You can beach bum in Montauk and the Hamptons. As an electrician one can easily get work, especially this summer, there are so many vacated homes and so much work still being done. Not to mention, it is possible to take off on a cruiser or sailing vessel. An electrician could hop aboard as a mate.

I'm just rambling now. The car in Deer Park has me flummoxed. I do not think this is a Discovery channel case and random crime should not be so convoluted. JMO

 

[OldSteve]

Wow - I see a new thread about another big guy 5'9" 210 lb man :

"Michael James Malstrom, age 28, was last seen near SW 229th and Tualatin Valley (TV) Hwy in Hillsboro, OR leaving work at 3:30 pm on August 14th. He never arrived at his home in Forest Grove, OR. He didn't show up to work the next morning. Very uncharacteristic behavior."

OR Michael James Malstrom, 28, Forest Grove, 14 Aug 2013 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Eileen730]

Are we really sure there was no scent for the dogs to pick up at the train station?

 

[Eileen730]

Wow - I see a new thread about another big guy 5'9" 210 lb man :

"Michael James Malstrom, age 28, was last seen near SW 229th and Tualatin Valley (TV) Hwy in Hillsboro, OR leaving work at 3:30 pm on August 14th. He never arrived at his home in Forest Grove, OR. He didn't show up to work the next morning. Very uncharacteristic behavior."

OR Michael James Malstrom, 28, Forest Grove, 14 Aug 2013 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

There is another man missing another big guy. He is a lawyer and his car was found d in a state park he bas been gone for a while now

 

[Eileen730]

I know what you mean, which is why this case is a bear. Yet, seems like there are holes in all the other theories too. I don't think it is impossible though. Desperate people (addicts) do desperate things, then they sometimes cover their tracks when they come to their senses. For example, the bank robbers who rob a bank with out any disguise. Overall in my opinion, it seems like a crime (if it is a crime) committed by someone he knew, because it is so clean. JMO

Why would he bother doing that? Why not leave them in the trunk?

Because I think the tools were tossed or left at whatever work site he was at last
Could have been that F### it moment. I'm out of here.

Or he took them along with him

 

[Vedder]

Are we really sure there was no scent for the dogs to pick up at the train station?

If there were, there would have been a trail to follow. Even if it's just to the train platform.

 

[Eileen730]

If there were, there would have been a trail to follow. Even if it's just to the train platform.

Did LE say there was No scent or did IDa?

 

[Eileen730]

He could have gotten into another vehicle and he bad the other
Person park the car there's a to not be recognized by anyone he could have taken a taxi or got on a bus

 

[Vedder]

Did LE say there was No scent or did IDa?

I really don't think she's sending people on a wild goose chase. LE did not do a media interview. We know that. If LE said there was a scent, they would investigate the trail, no?

 

[Vedder]

He could have gotten into another vehicle and he bad the other
Person park the car there's a to not be recognized by anyone he could have taken a taxi or got on a bus

I don't believe he parked the car there himself. There should have been a scent, even if he got into another car, bus, taxi, train.

 

[Blythe]

"He would never leave his family". Why have I disputed this?


He is carjacked (would a 2004 GTO be carjacked?) or robbed while in transit. He grabs the club to defend himself, ends up in a scuffle and is accidentally killed, perhaps by blunt force. The perps toss him in the trunk (evidence?). They dispose of the body and the entire contents of the trunk. They panic with the vehicle and coincidentally park it in Deer Park.

Keep searching.

 

[Philigumbo]

I agree. It seems odd that the call was dropped and there was never a reconnect just to complete the call or ask "hey, were we done?". "See you later".

Usually, if I keep having a dropped call, etc., one of us will at least text and say call later or something. Even at work, on my cell, I have people calling or texting whether I can answer or not. It is strange to me that not one call or text came through to a business cell phone all day. Especially to a foreman as RM is...

MOO

 

[Force Ten]

I really don't think she's sending people on a wild goose chase. LE did not do a media interview. We know that. If LE said there was a scent, they would investigate the trail, no?

Yeah the 'Only Ida has told us' rhetoric is a bit annoying. On the flipside, if she was putting out corrupted info, she would only be incriminating herself.

 

[Philigumbo]

The thing I took away from the blog post was the tools. That puts me right back on the fence.

Tools to an electrician are his livelihood. He cannot work without them. The fact that they are missing is huge, IMO.

So, what if he did take off with another woman? What if he's been carrying on with this woman and communicating using a second phone? It's not unheard of.

Here's a possible scenario (IMO):

- RM sells some copper to make some cash for his new life
- they take HER car, because it would be less conspicuous
- he doesn't need clothes because he's been leaving/buying clothes at gf's
- he forgets something and stops home that day before heading to meet with gf
- he turns off phone at home so it won't be tracked
- at some point he takes all of his tools out of the trunk and (puts them in her car? Wherever he put them they are someplace that he has access to them)
- because HE is going to do the driving, he drives her car to the station while she follows in his. This explains the seat being moved up.
- perhaps when she gets out of the car a water bottle falls on the ground. She picks it up and throws it on the seat, closes the door and jumps into her car without affixing the club because they are in a rush to not be seen. This explains dogs not finding his scent.

Or they took the train together and she drove while he ate his lunch. They don't affix the club because they barely make the train. Perhaps the dogs don't find his scent because the handlers didn't track from the passenger side (I'm less inclined to believe this, however).

The tools just jump out at me. Unless the trunk was emptied to put something else in it, I don't think they are worth much to anyone other than RM.

And the bike, well, he could have left his bike at the gf's house at some point in the days/weeks/whatever before June 14. We don't know how long it's been missing. Perhaps the bike was on a bike rack on her car when they took off.

I know it's hard to imagine anyone leaving their kids but maybe there is more to it that we just don't know. Perhaps he has some reason to be afraid of leaving IM the traditional way. Or perhaps the gf's significant other is the one to fear?

Which brings me to a giant hole in theory #78: Is the gf missing too? I wonder if there's any neighborhood gossip about a woman in the area taking off and leaving her husband?

Remember NCNY posted that RM had been texting someone he wasn't supposed to....we didn't discuss that much at the time...

Also, what about a scenario (not saying in this case) in which a partner says I'm leaving, and the other says if you do, I will hunt you down, and/or make you look like a sorry sob.. :twocents:

I just can't get past the lack of phone calls, the phone being possibly turned off, tools missing, car parked where it was etc...I'm :fence: Just feels like a walk away...except could have used better time management to put more ground between him and home. And where would he have been accosted if driving straight home from scrap yard? Why carjack him then hide his body and dump the car??? For tools, a lunch pail, and a car club??? Did he leave his lunch pail at work? Anyone ever say they ate lunch together that day? Did Rob even make it back to LI that day from Job site? All he needed there is missing..could someone use his ID or have a similar look that could have been seen at Arrow??? And no more phone calls at the job site..

 

[Eileen730]

I don't believe he parked the car there himself. There should have been a scent, even if he got into another car, bus, taxi, train.

Well what dogs searched?

 

[Eileen730]

Yeah the 'Only Ida has told us' rhetoric is a bit annoying. On the flipside, if she was putting out corrupted info, she would only be incriminating herself.

But it's true only Ida told us. She was a lawyer she won't incriminate herself.

 

[Angel629]

I think it's normal to do either, call back or don't call back and catch up later. I myself usually do the latter if a call gets dropped. But maybe HE was done listening to her go on for 45 minutes, maybe relieved the call dropped at all LOL.

IM's original description of the call was that it was approximately 45 minutes, and she made it sound very...pleasant and leisurely. This article states that she was doing most of the talking and "after a couple of minutes, the call dropped". That was their last conversation, and it didn't sound anything like the first version. It may not have ANYTHING to do with the case (and couples have these kinds of phone calls often), but it just struck me as very different in the new details (a lot of noise, interruptions, RM not doing much talking, getting disconnected). I actually feel sad that that was the last time they spoke.

 

[Vedder]

Well what dogs searched?

Not sure what you're asking....what kind of dogs? Police dogs.

 

[Vedder]

IM's original description of the call was that it was approximately 45 minutes, and she made it sound very...pleasant and leisurely. This article states that she was doing most of the talking and "after a couple of minutes, the call dropped". That was their last conversation, and it didn't sound anything like the first version. It may not have ANYTHING to do with the case (and couples have these kinds of phone calls often), but it just struck me as very different in the new details (a lot of noise, interruptions, RM not doing much talking, getting disconnected). I actually feel sad that that was the last time they spoke.

I can't find anywhere that IM said the call was 45 minutes...do you remember where you saw that?