NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - # 4

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  • #441
After taking a day off, I returned to a LOT of mod notes about this thread. None of them good. There were posts about other posters, about people who post on FB, off topic posts, "baiting" posts (which essentially are posts that are little innuendos to something they know and can't post for whatever reason), and just some that made no sense at all.

Usually when a case starts to deteriorate to this level, we close the thread for discussion until there is new news. If you guys are all "sleuthed out", you can move on to another case that is more active, or go the member's only area and chat, or look for Unidentified matches, etc. If we come back here and see the same problems going on again that we have repeatedly asked that you refrain from doing in the past, we will close this thread from further discussion until new MSM information is released.

It's up to you guys!
 
  • #442
Could it have gotten so big,so out of control that it scared him? I mean really, in the great big scheme of things so many people go missing. There isn't a news story or WS thread for all of them (although we do try don't we) . maybe he thought it would remain a family matter? Now there are FB pages and internet threads dedicated to him? Could that have put him further into hiding thinking Oh F$#$ now what do I do? Maybe he wouldn't even have been gone this long? I don't know. just throwing thoughts out there. Eileen,when I read your post this just popped into my head. :twocents:

Quoting myself but... I just really want to believe he's alive and fine and "out there" somewhere and for whatever reason he's just not home.
 
  • #443
Quoting myself but... I just really want to believe he's alive and fine and "out there" somewhere and for whatever reason he's just not home.

I think he is!
 
  • #444
Tisk tisk kiddies...are you all misbahavin??
On behalf of all of us, KIMSTER...apologies.
I think everyone gets all anxious due to the lack of substantial info.
 
  • #445
:truce:
Quoting myself but... I just really want to believe he's alive and fine and "out there" somewhere and for whatever reason he's just not home.

I do too.

Rob, please come home :please:. Everyone at websleuths forgives you. You can reconcile everything with your loved ones. Come home, Rob, summer is ending. You have a future.
 
  • #446
I believe yes u can all your texts can be retrieved. But my question is wouldn't LE have to do this unless the phone is in his wife's name

IM and NCNY have both stated his phone was a company phone that he could also use for his personal use. It's on the FAQs page on FB.
 
  • #447
IM and NCNY have both stated his phone was a company phone that he could also use for his personal use. It's on the FAQs page on FB.

If its a company phone then the company had to give LE the ok to retrieve his text messages and calls
 
  • #448
New theory. What if RM took off with a "mutual" stash of cash?????
 
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If its a company phone then the company had to give LE the ok to retrieve his text messages and calls

It would take a court order to retrieve the actual texts and that would be through the cell provider. The company would NOT have access to it. The only thing the company could give (and did I believe) is the numbers, texts and calls.
 
  • #451
Could it have gotten so big,so out of control that it scared him? I mean really, in the great big scheme of things so many people go missing. There isn't a news story or WS thread for all of them (although we do try don't we) . maybe he thought it would remain a family matter? Now there are FB pages and internet threads dedicated to him? Could that have put him further into hiding thinking Oh F$#$ now what do I do? Maybe he wouldn't even have been gone this long? I don't know. just throwing thoughts out there. Eileen,when I read your post this just popped into my head. :twocents:

This has crossed my mind too. Maybe he is a little embarrassed that he is being discussed and if he shows up home---people will want to know why he disappeared in the first place. A private matter turned public . . .
 
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Elaborate please?

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This is an angle I haven't thought of. Has IM mentioned anything about joint finances being you touched? Granted this is highly personal.. What about his 401k or any investments? Were there any recent changes?
 
  • #454
This is an angle I haven't thought of. Has IM mentioned anything about joint finances being you touched? Granted this is highly personal.. What about his 401k or any investments? Were there any recent changes?

I havent seen or heard anything that anyone else hasnt. I dont recalled anything being mentioned at all about finances except that his credit cards havent been touched, and that "the bank account" hasnt been touched.

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  • #455
If he had taken a sum of money, I wonder if we would even be hearing about him, as that would be a pretty clear sign he had left intentionally. JMO
 
  • #456
If he had taken a sum of money, I wonder if we would even be hearing about him, as that would be a pretty clear sign he had left intentionally. JMO

That makes sense to me.

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  • #457
Some random thoughts.
On RM's GTO whereabouts/status & status of LE investigation: We do not have the facts on these two issues due to there has been no official update release made by LE. We may have seen rumors or speculations; but it is my opinion that official facts have not been released to MSM or public. I wish there was a fired-up investigative reporter that would dig into getting answers about these issues. Do the television stations on LI have a reporter that is a "real investigative reporter". Is there a way to get them involved?

Re: tgirl1130's new theory angle.... it's possible. Like McSpy, I've given it some thought and something like that would fit in this case (that seems to have so many unclear dangling pieces). Surely is something to keep in mind.

Re: Records of Texts discussion. (First I need to stress that I am not a cell phone, text or cell tower expert... in fact what I think I know I learned listening to a couple high profile trials that used such as evidence.) Tossing this in and counting on being corrected if someone knows my statements to be an error.
A report from a service provider gives a lot of information on texts and cell calls (ex. who initiated, who received, time, serial of phone, tower information, etc) but does not give the content of a cell text. In order to get content of a text, one would need to have the actual phone.

The cell tower ping information reported in this case has always given me questions. It has been said that the phone "Last pinged at 1:45" in a particular area of LI (i.e. in a specific quadrant of a tower receiver). Since towers hand off and take on a cell - as the cell moves along - the report given seems to indicate that the cell phone "stopped moving" at that point. Could mean it was turned off and battery out or it was destroyed. This is further confused since RM was reported to be at Arrow around 2:25. Seems the phone would have continued to ping and even change towers (or at least quadrant of the CID. Would someone local post the driving distance from the last ping location to Arrow? Not that answers about this will tell what happened that day with RM, it would seem to let us know that some information may be being held for the investigation. ...... or maybe not. It's just something that has been nagging at me.

Hope answers will come soon for RM's family & friends.
 
  • #458
Some random thoughts.
On RM's GTO whereabouts/status & status of LE investigation: We do not have the facts on these two issues due to there has been no official update release made by LE. We may have seen rumors or speculations; but it is my opinion that official facts have not been released to MSM or public. I wish there was a fired-up investigative reporter that would dig into getting answers about these issues. Do the television stations on LI have a reporter that is a "real investigative reporter". Is there a way to get them involved?

Re: tgirl1130's new theory angle.... it's possible. Like McSpy, I've given it some thought and something like that would fit in this case (that seems to have so many unclear dangling pieces). Surely is something to keep in mind.

Re: Records of Texts discussion. (First I need to stress that I am not a cell phone, text or cell tower expert... in fact what I think I know I learned listening to a couple high profile trials that used such as evidence.) Tossing this in and counting on being corrected if someone knows my statements to be an error.
A report from a service provider gives a lot of information on texts and cell calls (ex. who initiated, who received, time, serial of phone, tower information, etc) but does not give the content of a cell text. In order to get content of a text, one would need to have the actual phone.

The cell tower ping information reported in this case has always given me questions. It has been said that the phone "Last pinged at 1:45" in a particular area of LI (i.e. in a specific quadrant of a tower receiver). Since towers hand off and take on a cell - as the cell moves along - the report given seems to indicate that the cell phone "stopped moving" at that point. Could mean it was turned off and battery out or it was destroyed. This is further confused since RM was reported to be at Arrow around 2:25. Seems the phone would have continued to ping and even change towers (or at least quadrant of the CID. Would someone local post the driving distance from the last ping location to Arrow? Not that answers about this will tell what happened that day with RM, it would seem to let us know that some information may be being held for the investigation. ...... or maybe not. It's just something that has been nagging at me.

Hope answers will come soon for RM's family & friends.

I will look, in the meantime, my understanding is that it is but a few miles, I know some questions were asked earlier as to why it would take an hour to get from the pinged site to Arrow. (Assuming he made no other stops) also my understanding was he was at arrow at 245.

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  • #459
Some random thoughts.
On RM's GTO whereabouts/status & status of LE investigation: We do not have the facts on these two issues due to there has been no official update release made by LE. We may have seen rumors or speculations; but it is my opinion that official facts have not been released to MSM or public. I wish there was a fired-up investigative reporter that would dig into getting answers about these issues. Do the television stations on LI have a reporter that is a "real investigative reporter". Is there a way to get them involved?

Re: tgirl1130's new theory angle.... it's possible. Like McSpy, I've given it some thought and something like that would fit in this case (that seems to have so many unclear dangling pieces). Surely is something to keep in mind.

Re: Records of Texts discussion. (First I need to stress that I am not a cell phone, text or cell tower expert... in fact what I think I know I learned listening to a couple high profile trials that used such as evidence.) Tossing this in and counting on being corrected if someone knows my statements to be an error.
A report from a service provider gives a lot of information on texts and cell calls (ex. who initiated, who received, time, serial of phone, tower information, etc) but does not give the content of a cell text. In order to get content of a text, one would need to have the actual phone.

The cell tower ping information reported in this case has always given me questions. It has been said that the phone "Last pinged at 1:45" in a particular area of LI (i.e. in a specific quadrant of a tower receiver). Since towers hand off and take on a cell - as the cell moves along - the report given seems to indicate that the cell phone "stopped moving" at that point. Could mean it was turned off and battery out or it was destroyed. This is further confused since RM was reported to be at Arrow around 2:25. Seems the phone would have continued to ping and even change towers (or at least quadrant of the CID. Would someone local post the driving distance from the last ping location to Arrow? Not that answers about this will tell what happened that day with RM, it would seem to let us know that some information may be being held for the investigation. ...... or maybe not. It's just something that has been nagging at me.

Hope answers will come soon for RM's family & friends.

I will look, in the meantime, my understanding is that it is but a few miles, I know some questions were asked earlier as to why it would take an hour to get from the pinged site to Arrow. (Assuming he made no other stops) also my understanding was he was at arrow at 245.

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Okay this is what I found out (sorry took so long, was having problems connecting to site) anyway...

The ping was. At 145pm at a tower in Melville which is in the town of Huntington. He was seen at Arrow at "approx" 215pm which. Is on Kean st in W Babylon. According to google it is
5.3 miles and should take approx 11 min to get there from Melville. I will check the time again during that same time of day to see if there is much of a difference in traffic. By that it took him 19 minutes longer than it should have. (Of course keep in mind, that although in my experience google is pretty accurate within a couple minutes. Again, I will check at the exact same time of day to see if there is a greater fluctuation) Then 30 minutes after being seen at Arrow, his phone went dead or was turned off. (Another thing I might mention is that sometimes if I leave my phone on the passanger seat while driving, if I have to make a quick stop to avoid an accident, it will fly off on to the floor board, popping off the back and dislodging my battery...probably not relevant but thought I would mention just in case) now keep in mind ALL of these times are "approx". They may be dead accurate or they may not be. We dont have even facts IMO to be sure. (Oh except for the 245pm no signal)

If they are fairly accurate...was there a stop in between melville and Arrow? That is 19 minutes unaccounted for. Could be nothing more than a quick stop for gas, something to drink..etc. but who knows?? I think the possibilities are unlimited.

If lets say the phone did in fact go dead, (although he didnt get any other calls that day, we dont know if he used any apps and/or if he even remembered to charge it the night before.) And wasnt just shut off or broken at 245pm. That means there could have been more than a half an hour before he disappeared. (What if he had other stops to make before going home?)

I would argue that he did not leave voluntarily for the following reasons (Besides his love for his family).

1) why would he bother to go to work knowing he would not see his pay for this day and he could get a longer head start when he left at 430am

2) If he did it spur of the moment, why bother driving an hour or more from Brooklyn back to LI? Just for a minimal transaction at Arrow? IMO I highly doubt it.

3) some believed he stopped at the house to get something (Due to statements made by the verified. Insider)...what? If anything, he left more rather than pack anything he might want or need. (Plus I am sure he would have thought IM was home at that time busy with preparations for the weekend, rather than at parents home. Why would he risk running into her?)

I can think of a few other reasons but I dont want this to drag out any longer

IMO this time frame leaves a lot more time available for "foul play" I am thinking at least until 4 or 430pm.





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  • #460
If he had taken a sum of money, I wonder if we would even be hearing about him, as that would be a pretty clear sign he had left intentionally. JMO

All the more reason for keeping public interest with a missing person angle.
 
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