NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - # 6

[hot cawfeee]

Unless, that was HIS place. The garage. His safe haven, so to speak.
My hubby parks in the garage...it wouldnt surprise me if he kept his wallet and keys in a drawer there.

Is the garage that secure???? I'd worry about keys and wallet being stolen unless the garage was like Ft. Knox. Why am I thinking yes it may be the garage was "his space" but this lends itself to a legal issue/ search warrants??????? :banghead: and MOO

 

[CuriousAmI]

I'm not understanding the discrepancy between finding the money and learning he got the money selling scrap. Does it really matter which came first, the chicken or the egg?

$300 is found in the garage in a drawer.

It is discovered that a $300 transaction at a scrap metal yard is made.

It doesn't matter which one happened first. Once you know both pieces of info you come to your conclusion.

For me, it's more the shift in storyline, timeline, details. Like previous poster said and I believe I've posted in earlier posts, the truth doesn't change.

 

[hot cawfeee]

Didn't one of RM's co-workers suggest checking the scrap yard to see if RM went there? If so, this could explain why they checked it and found out he did make a transaction of $300.

Yes---IIRC IM said a coworker pointed her in that direction two weeks after RM disappeared.
Now---IM did not ask anyone at the job-site anything until 2 weeks after RM disappeared.
OR the co-worked "provided" the info 2 weeks after RM disappeared.
Which is what happened?????????????

 

[hot cawfeee]

It does seem odd that anyone would consider $300. a minimal amount for scrap. Makes me think the theater owner should get a cut. For goodness sake, he owned that old wiring. Is this typical for a days worth of scrap in a project like a that??

Scrap on a job site can be a highly contested thing---who gets it, is it shared out etc.
I have family who are Union tradesmen (plumbers, pipe-fitters)---all have said it is not the "done" thing for a foreman to be taking scrap from the job and selling it. It goes usually to the apprentices b/c they are making the least amount. If the scrap money is shared out fine----if its pooled for BBQ's, lunches, Lotto, Sandy Relief or a charity fine. The fact that someone of position was taking scrap---sends up a red flag.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

I would think they are Catholic! JMO

Yes. There is a statue of Mary in their garden in the front yard.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Scrap on a job site can be a highly contested thing---who gets it, is it shared out etc.
I have family who are Union tradesmen (plumbers, pipe-fitters)---all have said it is not the "done" thing for a foreman to be taking scrap from the job and selling it. It goes usually to the apprentices b/c they are making the least amount. If the scrap money is shared out fine----if its pooled for BBQ's, lunches, Lotto, Sandy Relief or a charity fine. The fact that someone of position was taking scrap---sends up a red flag.

That info, if true, could be why he left the money. If it didn't belong to him he may have left it for the people who are supposed to get it.

And since no one stepped up right away to say he was planning to go to the scrap yard that afternoon, maybe it was kind of under the table.

 

[hot cawfeee]

And so begins a slightly random thought-----I am flipping thru the currrent LL Bean catalogue (we buy alot and get every catalogue they print)--its the hunting one. We don't hunt but I am flipping thru it and realize that its very easy to hide yourself--camping gear is easy to purchase, laundry can be done at a laundry mat, shower at a gym--Planet Fitness is $ 10/ month. Out on eastern LI we have frm stands all over and other restaurants. You can exist in moderate comfort. It been a pretty good summer here--July was hot as July is but all in all ok.
just a thought and comment --- I am a little OT--apologies--still on my first cup.--lol

 

[Clemenza]

The wallet IIRC was found by 4pm the very day he went missing - now wasn't he expected home approx. 3 pm or only 1 hour before the wallet was "found"? This being in a "drawer in the garage", where as it turns out, a week later in "another drawer in garage" then Tah - Dah!!!, the phone was found. :waitasec:

I don't believe the phone was found a week later. I think the information that the phone was discovered was withheld to give the impression Rob still had it planting the possibility that Rob had his phone and could still be contacted. LE had the phone monitoring it for any activity that might provide clues. I think the wallet, money and phone were all found together in the same place at the same time.

 

[CuriousinNY]

I was a member of the search group from almost the beginning. One of the missing photos popped up in my newsfeed. I began following the case on WS and the FB Search page. I sent info and suggestions privately to mods on the "search" fb site based on my personal experience regarding someone missing. Yesterday, while a work, I stumbled on the "What really happened" FB. I clicked on it and pushed like. I did not read a word of it but wanted to be able to find it later. I log in last night and go to the search page, as I always do, hoping maybe RM was found. Instead I discover, I was removed from the Search group. I find it insulting.

 

[Blythe]

JMO

I have worked with pathological liars and, more commonly, adolescents who refuse to provide adequate information to account for their behaviors and choices. They recant what was previously offered and make up new information as they go long. Queries are met with insolence and getting to the bottom of issues and events is nearly impossible. As with this case.:moo:

:banghead:I am tired of discussing specific information ad infinitum only to hear a week or 2 later that the information was inaccurate, incomplete or totally retracted.
E.G., we discuss reasons why certain things are missing from the trunk and now are told the trunk had no lock, we discuss a missing cell phone to hear it was placed in a drawer all along....need I go on? BTW, someone who cares should post all the retractions and inconsistencies...)

MOO the information is highly manipulative. I have my opinion of what happened as other posts state most recently thread #5, #703. I am beginning to understand why running out was a better option for RM than divorce. I think the information is being meted out to defend, to obfuscate and obstruct the truth and for that reason I'm out.:seeya::seeya:

 

[ElizaAvalon]

I don't believe the phone was found a week later. I think the information that the phone was discovered was withheld to give the impression Rob still had it planting the possibility that Rob had his phone and could still be contacted. LE had the phone monitoring it for any activity that might provide clues. I think the wallet, money and phone were all found together in the same place at the same time.

Clem the wallet was found the same day he went missing. So are you thinking the phone and money were found that day too? If so why would they say it was found a week later after they re-searched the garage after the car was seen in the video?

 

[Jerry516]

I'm not understanding the discrepancy between finding the money and learning he got the money selling scrap. Does it really matter which came first, the chicken or the egg?

$300 is found in the garage in a drawer.

It is discovered that a $300 transaction at a scrap metal yard is made.

It doesn't matter which one happened first. Once you know both pieces of info you come to your conclusion.

Again, not to split hairs, but the transaction at Arrow was "APPROX $300.0" Not $300 Exactly. So again, as in the rest of the "facts" in this case, ASSUME NOTHING

 

[Jerry516]

Clem the wallet was found the same day he went missing. So are you thinking the phone and money were found that day too? If so why would they say it was found a week later after they re-searched the garage after the car was seen in the video?

IMO--One of the most puzzling things in this case is "Why do they say what they say?" Or actually, what they "DONT" SAY.

 

[trigger]

Scrap on a job site can be a highly contested thing---who gets it, is it shared out etc.
I have family who are Union tradesmen (plumbers, pipe-fitters)---all have said it is not the "done" thing for a foreman to be taking scrap from the job and selling it. It goes usually to the apprentices b/c they are making the least amount. If the scrap money is shared out fine----if its pooled for BBQ's, lunches, Lotto, Sandy Relief or a charity fine. The fact that someone of position was taking scrap---sends up a red flag.

Maybe he placed the money in the drawer along with rhe receipt to bring to the guys (apprentice guys) that following Monday. After all he is a nice guy and liked to help. Maybe he said to them I'll go and drop it off.

 

[hot cawfeee]

IMO--One of the most puzzling things in this case is "Why do they say what they say?" Or actually, what they "DONT" SAY.

And to add-on: Why is someone only talking? Why isn't someone talking?

 

[Jerry516]

I'm thinking RM could have told IM that he left his wallet in the drawer during their 9am phone call. I don't know if he mentioned it, but I'm just suggesting it as a possibility.

My only point was the time line was lied about, or there are some serious "errors" with it.

It says the scrap yard transaction was already known about by the time the phone was found. But the phone was found 1 week after his disappearance. The Scrap Yard wasnt known about until 2 weeks after. It doesnt make any sense. :waitasec:

Again, believe half of what you read.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

There are just too many unanswered questions. None of the pieces for any one scenario fit perfectly in my mind without knowing things like where RM usually put his personal effects, what was SOP on the job site for selling scrap, what really is the Mayer's financial situation, was there anything missing in the wallet (such as pics of the kids), etc.

 

[trigger]

IMO--One of the most puzzling things in this case is "Why do they say what they say?" Or actually, what they "DONT" SAY.

While watching ID channel last night they showed a crime scene photos and a Detective said we looked at these photos over and over again then we realized what we didn"t see.

 

[Clemenza]

Clem the wallet was found the same day he went missing. So are you thinking the phone and money were found that day too? If so why would they say it was found a week later after they re-searched the garage after the car was seen in the video?

I think it was all found the same day. IIRC in the very beginning, weren't there conflicting reports as to whether or not the phone was found? Since no information has come from LE, I'm thinking the phone being found was innocently reported by Ida. I don't think LE wanted that info out yet for the reasons I've previously mentioned. Wasn't the report of finding the phone labeled a "miscommunication", and that the phone had not been found? Perhaps, back then there was not a familiarity with how the release of info would be handled. I think now they are sticking with that explanation in the interest of keeping consistent. I know there are previous examples of possible deception/retractions/lies as have been pointed out by others. I could be completely wrong. I just think the items were found together in the same place at the same time.

 

[talula]

Scrap on a job site can be a highly contested thing---who gets it, is it shared out etc.
I have family who are Union tradesmen (plumbers, pipe-fitters)---all have said it is not the "done" thing for a foreman to be taking scrap from the job and selling it. It goes usually to the apprentices b/c they are making the least amount. If the scrap money is shared out fine----if its pooled for BBQ's, lunches, Lotto, Sandy Relief or a charity fine. The fact that someone of position was taking scrap---sends up a red flag.

I would have thought like you but a woman came online saying she was his former payroll person, and @ JG it was typical for someone in Rob's position to scrap.