NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - # 6

[OldSteve]

I think it is weird his phone and the 300 in cash was found a week after his disappearance too. If he usually kept it in those places, they should have been found a lot sooner, IMO. The items were hidden in drawers--not out in plain sight. Makes one wonder why would he care if they got stolen if he was fleeing his life. Something seems amiss to me. Maybe there is an explanation?

BBM - can be said of this entire case :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

sorry - could not resist saying that...

 

[McSpy]

I think it was a matter that had been discussed----the wallet--may have been old, may have been a gift from her, water-proof material for summer over leather (Mr C does that), one wallet may fit more or less things in it,
another wallet may hold a pic of the kids

Wouldn't the contents (license, credit and debit cards, etc.) be what one would call his wallet. We are essentially being told that those things were left behind, because his wallet was left behind in a drawer in the garage. It paints a different picture.

 

[BunnyHop]

When Hubby goes to the scrap yard, the receipt shows exactly what metals, and in what quantity, he sold. Leaving $300 and a receipt for $300 worth of gold would say "Since money is more important to you than I am, I'm outa here."

Perhaps RM scrapped his wedding ring, and returned home to drop off that message.

Good thinking.
I posted this earlier:
"What if he left the $300 as a message;
"Here's your @#!%&*@ scrap $$$ I'm done. I'm outta here!"
And then he left."

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[McSpy]

BBM - can be said of this entire case :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

sorry - could resist say that...

Oh, I could say more, but I'm trying to be a good websleuther . . .:banghead:

 

[VeryCleverGirl]

We don't discuss members here. You can discuss posts but not a member.

:tyou:

OOOPS sorry :slap:

But :yourock: love the graphic!!!

 

[OldSteve]

respectfully snipped:

IIRC -
Then of course this gets me stuck on the phone pinging again. How are there no pings beyond 1:45 if the phone did not "go dead" until about 2:45? Don't they ping a tower every so many seconds or minutes? This has bugged me from the start - If 1:45 is the last ping, why not assume THAT TIME is when the phone goes dead? HOW do they know it was still on for another hour if they have no further pings? HOW do they know it then went dead at 2:45?

:goodpost: - I don't get it either! Yes, phone will ping as long as battery is alive and it in...
did he take battery out at 1:45 and put it back in momentarily at 2:45 ???
Can anyone here set me straight on this?

 

[McSpy]

IIRC - We have a co-worker on record seeing him at the Brooklyn jobsite at 12:30. Then we have a 1:45 ping from I think it was Melville? Off the 110 near Huntington? (Can you tell I have no concept of the local area layout lol!) Then he's on cam at Arrow at 2:15. My inference was that he was seen by a co-worker as he was on his way out of work about 12:30. If he stayed much later it would be hard for him to be pinging at the further location + being at Arrow by 2:15, right? Or am I assuming here. :waitasec:
Then of course this gets me stuck on the phone pinging again. How are there no pings beyond 1:45 if the phone did not "go dead" until about 2:45? Don't they ping a tower every so many seconds or minutes? This has bugged me from the start - If 1:45 is the last ping, why not assume THAT TIME is when the phone goes dead? HOW do they know it was still on for another hour if they have no further pings? HOW do they know it then went dead at 2:45?

hmmm, was it possible there were unanswered calls ot texts coming in after 1:45, so they went through, but when his phone went dead the contact with any tower ended?

 

[OldSteve]

hmmm, was it possible there were unanswered calls ot texts coming in after 1:45, so they went through, but when his phone went dead the contact with any tower ended?

Once phone is dead, everything should go directly into server storage, just like when you try to call a phone that dead- you go directly into voice mail..

If phone can get texts, it would be pinging...

So, did he take out battery at 1:45 so he couldn't be traced via pings, and then put it back in at 2:45 briefly to get messages? Or - I'd don't know..

 

[Eileen730]

After thinking about this all night ....
I think He came home like every other Friday put his wallet and money and phone in the drawers(Where he always keeps them), goes into the house no one is home phone rings its IM telling him to get out of the house (I believe now someone is after him) He bolts from house goes to train station leaves car no time to put the club on and he vanishes.

But....
I think he has another wallet with another Identity, another bank account and A place to live....I do not think he is all that far away. I think this was all planned in advance just in case this day came around.

If he left with a GF he would not have just vanished off the face of the earth.
he would have packed some things he and his wife would have fought a little the kids would know,,, bla bla bla....

something is going on here and I don't think its on the up and up....
It would not surprise me to find Ida and the kids gone one day tooo.


JMO

 

[VeryCleverGirl]

here's the timeline
4:30 leaves home running late
9:00 am phone call with IM for 45min
12:30 last seen at work
1:45 cell tower ping at Melville on the 110
2:15 seen on Sec Cam at Arrow
2:45 red car seen at his home
4:00 wallet company phone 300 cash found in garage ( forget if they found all that same day cash and phone were found a week later I believe)

 

[Periwinkl3]

Once phone is dead, everything should go directly into server storage, just like when you try to call a phone that dead- you go directly into voice mail..

If phone can get texts, it would be pinging...

So, did he take out battery at 1:45 so he couldn't be traced via pings, and then put it back in at 2:45 briefly to get messages? Or - I'd don't know..

Maybe someone (IM or a bad guy) was calling and leaving him too many messages, so he pulled the battery, but reinserted it to make a call or check messages. She said her calls to him that day kept going to voicemail, IIRC. Why he wouldn't pick up is anyone's guess.

 

[Jerry516]

IIRC - We have a co-worker on record seeing him at the Brooklyn jobsite at 12:30. Then we have a 1:45 ping from I think it was Melville? Off the 110 near Huntington? (Can you tell I have no concept of the local area layout lol!) Then he's on cam at Arrow at 2:15. My inference was that he was seen by a co-worker as he was on his way out of work about 12:30. If he stayed much later it would be hard for him to be pinging at the further location + being at Arrow by 2:15, right? Or am I assuming here. :waitasec:
Then of course this gets me stuck on the phone pinging again. How are there no pings beyond 1:45 if the phone did not "go dead" until about 2:45? Don't they ping a tower every so many seconds or minutes? This has bugged me from the start - If 1:45 is the last ping, why not assume THAT TIME is when the phone goes dead? HOW do they know it was still on for another hour if they have no further pings? HOW do they know it then went dead at 2:45?

We have discussed the pings in deep detail in previous threads. It is obvious that the phone was shut off/destroyed/disabled closer to 1:45, since a phone pings very few minutes, if not seconds.

The 2:45pm phone going dead is, like everything else, from IM. As she claims at this point she was calling and it would go STRAIGHT to VM. Incinuating that she was calling it earlier than that and it would ring a few times BEFORE going to VM. :read:

 

[Eileen730]

here's the timeline
4:30 leaves home running late
9:00 am phone call with IM for 45min
12:30 last seen at work
1:45 cell tower ping at Melville on the 110
2:15 seen on Sec Cam at Arrow
2:45 red car seen at his home
4:00 wallet company phone 300 cash found in garage ( forget if they found all that same day cash and phone were found a week later I believe)

See the 4 30am I think he was taking some clothes and stuff to the other place....before he had to go to work...

Left the wallet took other wallet!
I still think Arrow does more than scrap metals and computer parts lol
Maybe I watched to many soprano episodes...

 

[Sweetnspicy]

Hmmm, pill addiction is very possible. With a physical type job (especially after years in that field) plus age, it's actually probable that RM has been seen by a physician or two for some job related injuries/aches/pains. We all know docs pass out pain killers like candy these days.

Pills or drugs or both.....

Maybe he ran home to get some pills/drugs that he was selling. Met with buyer and things went bad???

Still doesn't explain leaving the phone, cash and ID at home....in drawers....in the garage. That's where I keep all my important stuff :banghead:

If he went to rehab he would not have been able to take any of this with him anyway other than ID..He may still have a duplicate license (I have 2 because I lost mine, got a new one only. To find the old one a week later) or work id...or maybe he wanted to go in anonymous. Certain treatment centers have to take them no matter whether identity or insurance known. Not the nicest places but if one wants to stay anonymous, one might be willing to "deal" with it.

 

[Jerry516]

Maybe someone (IM or a bad guy) was calling and leaving him too many messages, so he pulled the battery, but reinserted it to make a call or check messages. She said her calls to him that day kept going to voicemail, IIRC. Why he wouldn't pick up is anyone's guess.

According to IM, nothing suspicious on records. And last call/text was to/from her. Furthermore, she claims last time she spoke to him was at 9am. And as I keep mentioning, no calls/texts all day from a phone that is used as a business and personal phone from a guy that doesn't work in an office (no land line) seems a bit odd also.

BTW-- a number calling him multiple times would be suspicious.

 

[VeryCleverGirl]

After thinking about this all night ....
I think He came home like every other Friday put his wallet and money and phone in the drawers(Where he always keeps them), goes into the house no one is home phone rings its IM telling him to get out of the house (I believe now someone is after him) He bolts from house goes to train station leaves car no time to put the club on and he vanishes.

But....
I think he has another wallet with another Identity, another bank account and A place to live....I do not think he is all that far away. I think this was all planned in advance just in case this day came around.

If he left with a GF he would not have just vanished off the face of the earth.
he would have packed some things he and his wife would have fought a little the kids would know,,, bla bla bla....

something is going on here and I don't think its on the up and up....
It would not surprise me to find Ida and the kids gone one day tooo.


JMO

so if IM called and told him to take off why is she on tv crying for him to come home....why is she so vigorously trying to get national attn....performing searches....why not more low-key ....because if he was recognized that would blow their cover .....why are friends so quiet???

the friends and his family are what speak the loudest to me....I think they know he took off and like Hot cawfee I think she knew he was leaving too.

 

[Eileen730]

The 9 am 45 min call was not about Lobsters and oysters.

I also think she took the kids and herself to her parents so Robert could rush in and grab what he needed and not have the kids questioning him.... Id bet my last dollar he had
a gun a new wallet and some money along with a suitcase that maybe ida packed and left for him.

I think this was all Planned!

We have never heard where the kids were that day so I am Assuming they went with mom.

 

[JustyThoughts]

snips by me for saving space.

IIRC - We have a co-worker on record seeing him at the Brooklyn jobsite at 12:30. Then we have a 1:45 ping from I think it was Melville? ..... My inference was that he was seen by a co-worker as he was on his way out of work about 12:30. If he stayed much later it would be hard for him to be pinging at the further location + being at Arrow by 2:15 .... Then of course this gets me stuck on the phone pinging again.

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:goodpost: - I don't get it either! Yes, phone will ping as long as battery is alive and it in...
did he take battery out at 1:45 and put it back in momentarily at 2:45 ???
Can anyone here set me straight on this?

Thanks Codger for your post on the leaving work timeframe. I remember details same way; kinda hearsay... but it's what we have. I too have from the start thought there was things not being reported/stated about the phone pings.

The whole cell phone pinging and triangulation processes are technical & the newer phones have added capabilities. Data records are available from Service Providers - I believe that requires a subpoena. Law Enforcement has pinging capabilities also that can be used to find someone - usually in a kidnap or other situations such as that. Suggestion that may be helpful is to google "Understanding cell phone pings" and there will be several links that give good explainations of both the pinging and triangulation.

Wouldn't the contents (license, credit and debit cards, etc.) be what one would call his wallet. We are essentially being told that those things were left behind, because his wallet was left behind in a drawer in the garage. It paints a different picture.

Same line of thinking crossed my mind.... What was in the wallet?

 

[Eileen730]

so if IM called and told him to take off why is she on tv crying for him to come home....why is she so vigorously trying to get national attn....performing searches....why not more low-key ....because if he was recognized that would blow their cover .....why are friends so quiet???

the friends and his family are what speak the loudest to me....I think they know he took off and like Hot cawfee I think she knew he was leaving too.

She had to report him missing! Ok...
she was having family over....he would have had to report to work Monday
kids woulds ask where is dad.
Ida is playing the part very well she is doing what she has to do as the wife of a missing husband. If she dosent they will know she knows where he is.


Ya know I was sooo certain he took off tooo but what nags at me is why leave his wallet and that money that just makes no sense to me.

there is something wrong for him to leave and leave his kids for this long a time..... Even if he hated her... after a week or so id think he would have called SOMEONE.
We have not heard from him because he is Hiding from BAd guys or he is DEAD! JMO

 

[Sweetnspicy]

Hi all, I'm new here. Been following this case on and off and recently read the FAQ's and started wondering, googling and found you guys. My very first thought when I read about this was he abandoned his family, maybe committed suicide. What is so weird is the stop at home for 10 minutes. I can't help to think it is so odd to leave your wallet, cell phone and money in drawers in the garage. Also, since it took so long to find the stuff it seems it wasn't his normal spot for putting those things. It's clear that LE hasn't done much proactive investigating like of the home or interviewing people. Seems they are reacting to leads that come in based on the lack of evidence of foul play. It does surprise me that LE took a missing persons report so quickly, especially for an adult. Another thing I noticed was in the interview posted on the Patch website with the wife. She is crying but no tears are coming out. I do think the money was for his work and that is why he left it. I also think he left the phone because its a work phone. The wallet I'm not 100% on. Okay rambled on long enough for my first post...

Havent you ever cried so long and so hard that after awhile even though you are still crying, no more tears flow? Honestly no matter what is going on here, IMO her grief is real, whether guilt is part of that grief, only time will tell.