NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - # 7

[Curious Cathy]

oops I just got told it was a week later that they released the info about the phone

I thought they found the phone a week after he left. I did not read about the phone being found until August 28th or so when they admitted to finding the phone in the garage. That set me reeling because it changed the whole story.

 

[True Crime Gal]

Bolded by me

Maybe he died of natural causes? Meaning, no homicide, which suggests he left his old life willingly. Just guessing . .

But if he was dead, would that be considered 'found safe'?

tcg

 

[LivingJuicy]

.... I am starting to feel like this has really gone cold. I think that there needs to be more awareness such as a vigil or something along those lines.

I know the majority believes he left voluntarily and I can almost believe it myself at Times but mostly, I feel he is longer with us. I hope that's not the case.

I wish I could be so strong in my conviction that he left because at least then, he would be alive. :-(

 

[CatFancier]

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[McSpy]

But if he was dead, would that be considered 'found safe'?

tcg

I don't know the answer for sure, but I think it is just a classification. Being "found safe" may only mean there was no foul play involved or no criminal investigation needed. In other words, they surmised the individual left on his own accord after a little research on his most recent living situation prior to death and the cause of his death. IMO, it is the only explanation in that case which makes sense, unless it is a typo.

 

[Force Ten]

<modsnip> When I found out his Phone, Cash & Wallet were left behind, yes, weeks later, it changed the whole picture of him leaving that day. I asked myself why I was helping to look for a man who does not want to be found; who may be better off on the lamb for the rest of his life.

:bicycle::bicycle::bicycle::bicycle::bicycle:

I felt like I was looking at a picture someone painted and then two months later threw some red paint across it and said, OH I FORGOT TO MENTION THE RED PAINT, now it's a new picture. Ta Da!!!

To clear it up, I believe the cash and phone were found that afternoon. Not weeks later. Read a little further and you'll find it.

I can't help but think, he came home on a friday, unloaded his pants (like someone said - 'mud room') and was just ready to shut down for the weekend. If one connects the dots up until the driveway shot and money in drawer, I feel all bets are off. I think he possibly went out out for another errand.....and after that....

 

[Force Ten]

I'm reviewing articles and saw this. May be nothing.
@1:23 there is a Garfield stuck on his rear window. Just saying..........

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/08...information-regarding-l-i-mans-disappearance/

I see the Garfield. I think it's actually a stuffed animal.

But really, what does it have to do with anything? What am I missing?

 

[hot cawfeee]

I hope if he did walk away he contacts them. I hope that he doesn't wait years.

School starts tomorrow----lets hold good thoughts

Anyone think maybe an eye should be out at schools??????

 

[hot cawfeee]

Say he left voluntarily, how does one start over? Do you have to get a new name, soc sec number? He would have to resurface eventually, right?

CarolynV.--welcome -- dont think I have read you before-so welcome if applicable and Hi!!!

I think he left voluntarily and has sufficent ID to function in society for lack of better phrasing. I think he has Union card, insurance cards, drivers' license, birth certificate and possibly his passport.
My guess is that until a creditor comes looking for him, DMV for unpaid tickets, or Ida for child support he can be off the grid.

I hope this is making sense---am two sips into my first cawfee and have been up since 4:30am

 

[hot cawfeee]

IIRC, IM was asked this question and responded that he didn't always wear his helmet and the helmet was not missing.

Did he wear regular clothes when biking?? Or the bike shorts and fitted shirt??? Am thinking of neighbor who rides his bike everyday and has brightly colored gear versus a pair of shorts and a tee shirt

 

[hot cawfeee]

Getting caught up....

hope you're travelling safe hon!!!!!

 

[hot cawfeee]

<modsnip> When I found out his Phone, Cash & Wallet were left behind, yes, weeks later, it changed the whole picture of him leaving that day. I asked myself why I was helping to look for a man who does not want to be found; who may be better off on the lamb for the rest of his life.

:bicycle::bicycle::bicycle::bicycle::bicycle:

I felt like I was looking at a picture someone painted and then two months later threw some red paint across it and said, OH I FORGOT TO MENTION THE RED PAINT, now it's a new picture. Ta Da!!!

CC--I have fixated on lots of things with this case--and you brought up a good one-the garage. Things are there, have possibly transpired in there. Things of seeming value (to me at least) that are not readily replaceable.
What sort of security system do they have?? Cameras inside? Alarms?

The phone was left in a place that IMO was not its usual place--no place to charge it and as a foreman he must be available by phone all the time. IMO--his employment with the contractor was over (for whatever reason--quit, fired, work ticket over) and employed turned the service off. Phone was left to be picked up, sent back and so it could not be said RM stole it or it would have to be paid for. The money IMO--the same--its to be shared among the coworkers.

I had asked before and will repeat myself--its that kind of morning guys--apologies--is the garage from a legal standpoint considered seperate from the house?? I am thinking about search warrants.

 

[Clemenza]

To clear it up, I believe the cash and phone were found that afternoon. Not weeks later. Read a little further and you'll find it.

I can't help but think, he came home on a friday, unloaded his pants (like someone said - 'mud room') and was just ready to shut down for the weekend. If one connects the dots up until the driveway shot and money in drawer, I feel all bets are off. I think he possibly went out out for another errand.....and after that....

Ran another errand while intentionally leaving his wallet, money and phone behind?

 

[BunnyHop]

Idk... But my hunch is that if anyone there in that church community has any suspicion of a suicide, then all bets are off. Church +suicide don't mix.

My cousin is a detective. I talked to her about this case tonight, and showed her the known facts and NamUs for RM. The endangered missing categorization led her to the conclusion that at some point, he was suicidal. Because of HIPA laws, someone may not be disclosing something. MOO based on cuz' influence. So lucky to have her...:blushing:

Thanks. That's really all we have........ hunches.
Then again, might not have anything to do with suicide or HIPA. IDK.

 

[BunnyHop]

I wouldn't have taken RM for a Garfield lover.
If that car was so important, IMO you wouldn't put
that on there.

I know, it's a silly detail. Just something I noticed. His car is old. Nothing special in my mind. But to him, it may be part of his identity. Something that was truly his and his alone. Garfield may be a clue to who he is. Light hearted, down to earth, fun loving, whimsical? Maybe he was low key and just wanted to be himself. Maybe he was tired of the charade and living up to others expectations? IDK.

eta: as some say, the devil's in the details.

 

[hot cawfeee]

Thanks Clemenza--------many people are trying their best to help find a missing man. Problem is that many questions about him--quirks, likes, etc have fallen on deaf ears.
I have asked at least four times and no answer. To be ignored like that tells me that the point is for him to be missing.

There is no reason to think that RM has never contacted his children or sister or mother.


and OT-Clem I made sauce yesterday and thought of you-lol---now I want cannoli

 

[BunnyHop]

I think it's harder for the reverse search because if no foul play is perceived, they might not be reported as missing on national sites. We did have a case on this site this summer of a lady named Jennifer who disappeared on her own and finally alerted LE that she was fine and wanted to be left alone after multiple searches by her boyfriend.

This site is hard to search for these things because if they're found and no crime was committed, they are pulled as a prevention of invading their privacy. You'll see if you go to the two located forums that they are all either deceased or a criminal case.

Thanks CF for your research. Appreciated.
I wonder how many MP met with foul play.
Just wondering about the other side of the coin.

 

[BunnyHop]

I thought they found the phone a week after he left. I did not read about the phone being found until August 28th or so when they admitted to finding the phone in the garage. That set me reeling because it changed the whole story.

"The story" has changed constantly, hence our confusion.
In my mind he either left, harmed himself, or there was foul play.

My big question is why the search at Pilgrim(infrared ?) and Edgewood? Why?
What made anyone think (if nothing criminal) those were the places to look?
Were they expecting to find him there? Why?

eta: I have no links or proof there was a search at Pilgrim, just hearsay/rumor.

 

[BunnyHop]

Respectfully. ...if mods censored it, why are you bringing it up? Jmo but off limits is off limits.

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[CatFancier]

Thanks CF for your research. Appreciated.
I wonder how many MP met with foul play.
Just wondering about the other side of the coin.

Many more than those who disappeared purposely unfortunately. Way too many to count...