NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - # 9

[OldSteve]

Thankfully my experience is that 98% of those who attempt to dispose of a body tend to be stupid, inept or both. Thrown in a ditch, shallow grave that gets dug up by wildlife or wrapped in a rug/blanket/sheet and dumped in the open. On rare occasions, they might leave some markers if they want to revisit the site from time to time to see if it was disturbed.

(HINT TO LE - If you release a comment about looking at a particular site for a body, watch all of your suspects and see if one runs off to check a remote site)

They also tend not to carry a body very far off an access road or trail.

If this was mob related, we should be looking in the South Jersey Pine Barrens or in a concrete mixer.

There's also the infamous Gilgo Beach LI -
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/tag/gilgo-beach/

 

[halfpintny]

do we know what the grassy circlurar area is at the end of their block? Is it a sump? See a lot mentioned of the presserves but nothing about this area

http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal....29704,40.798436,-73.299494_rect/18_zm/0_mmm/

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

There's also the infamous Gilgo Beach LI -
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/tag/gilgo-beach/

at ocean parkway?

 

[OhSueZanna]

IIRC there was a statement from his job as to his hours. (cite anyone?) Have we been able to figure out his timeline TO work? IM has stated (and contridicted) that he left at 4:30 and was running late. He was usually home at 3. I am trying to figure out what his work hours would have to be if he was usually home at 3. Something is not adding up for me unless I am looking at it wrong. Can someone clarify?

I would "assume" his hours were 6-2 - very common for local 3 electricians to work these hours....

 

[McSpy]

do we know what the grassy circlurar area is at the end of their block? Is it a sump? See a lot mentioned of the presserves but nothing about this area

http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal....29704,40.798436,-73.299494_rect/18_zm/0_mmm/

Sump? Looks like a vernal pool or marsh, surrounded by trees, because the trees are on higher ground by the road. There seems to be 2 of these circular areas on that block. I think those areas should be looked at, but I suspect kids play in that area and would have found something by now. Yet, the bugs may have kept the kids away during the summer. I'm pretty sure folks walk their dogs close to that area too. It's not a bad idea to check them out though.

 

[Philigumbo]

I dont know if you meant something else but i respectfully disagree. The video camera at Arrow did not catch a picture of the car..so we do not know for sure the car was there, only RM...

Edited: the foreman at Arrow "declined to say whether or not Robert's car was captured by video"..

(IMO when more crmbs are released we will find out one why or the other whether RMs car was in fact at Arrow when RM was there..)

I was referring to the video of the car at home -sorry for the confusion...

 

[ElizaAvalon]

do we know what the grassy circlurar area is at the end of their block? Is it a sump? See a lot mentioned of the presserves but nothing about this area

http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal....29704,40.798436,-73.299494_rect/18_zm/0_mmm/

It's a sump.

http://tohpropertyinfo.huntingtonny...LandManagementSiteHistoryReport.aspx?ID=64095

 

[Jerry516]

Maybe if we had facts, we could discuss them.
Unfortunately, our facts keep changing. So...they are not facts any longer. IMO


fact
fakt/
noun
1.
a thing that is indisputably the case.
"she lacks political experience—a fact that becomes clear when she appears in public"
synonyms: reality, actuality, certainty; More

If we had actual facts, we may have just needed 1 thread. Instead we have 8+threads with basically ZERO to go on.

 

[Philigumbo]

I'm kind of stumped as to why anyone would go through the trouble of "planting" the wallet, cellphone and money.

Why not pocket the money and throw the wallet and cellphone in a dumpster?

I would think the "planter" would want to get those items as far from their possession as possible.

I'm not drinking this Kool-aid.

I don't see why it's so difficult to believe that this man pulled into his driveway and left his home willingly.

It's the most reasonable course of events, regardless of the source's difficulty providing consistent and accurate details.

What he did after he left that house, now that's the important thing, IMO. Because thats what changed the course of his life.

Everything before that is normal SOP stuff.

All of these implications that IM had him offed (which are fairly thinly veiled I might add) are difficult to imagine. I don't see a motive. I don't see LE seeing there is evidence of this either. Their behavior does not suggest it.

I believe he came home, placed his stuff there in his usual places, and then left, alone, driving his own car. Whatever he left for, or happened after that, is where the starting point is. I don't think he cared if IM was home, probably expected her to be, according to her. Perhaps his quick getaway was because she wasn't there for once. I think he left his stuff to show he had been home and was leaving...and THEN.....I'm on the fence...that's my fence line :fence:: suicide vs took off like a Bat Out of Hell....(and she can't accept he left her). The endangered status could be she thought he was suicidal or she (and LE B-I-L) at least lead LE to believe he was.

 

[McSpy]

It's a sump.

http://tohpropertyinfo.huntingtonny...LandManagementSiteHistoryReport.aspx?ID=64095

Interesting . . "Sump" must be Long Island language, because where I live we call it a marsh. Sometimes it is called a retention pond in very populated areas with businesses and lots of roads/freeways (storm water runoff).

 

[Philigumbo]

Question about his tools....I know squat about his profession, but would a foreman such as RM need his tools on a daily basis?? Would he still be working "hands-on" as a foreman? Carrying them around with him everyday in a trunk that wouldn't lock?

 

[Philigumbo]

Hmmm... No I don't think that would be motive enough in NYS. Especially if she paid for most of it, which she probably did.

Okay so let's say someone has a motive that he would possibly spill their deepest darkest secrets. This I can actually buy.

Why in the world would the car be placed at the train station, near his usual spot? How would anyone know his usual spot unless they actually saw him there in his usual spot before he went missing?

Mr. A commutes regularly via LIRR. I have no idea where in the world he parked his car TODAY. I would be far less inclined to know where he parked his car 5 YEARS AGO.

So the only person IMO who parked that car is RM. Or someone who has recently seen RM at the train station parked in or near that spot.

Need to go make the donuts. BBL to continue helping you all debunk this theory.

Up thread(s) somewhere, I was pondering about the abandoned spouse probably making out better in custody and divorce proceedings. The home is in RM's name only. That is one of the reasons I wonder if he's not "missing," so to speak, but that she knew he was leaving and, as an attorney, is getting her self situated for divorce court. He's gonna be looking pretty sorry to everyone if it looks like he ran. Saying "I'm leaving" isn't missing. The different stories about the wallet, the phone, the phone call, and the LACK of any more communication that day, tells me there may have been trouble in that marriage. :moo:

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Interesting . . "Sump" must be Long Island language, because where I live we call it a marsh. Sometimes it is called a retention pond in very populated areas with businesses and lots of roads/freeways (storm water runoff).

Yes, they are for storm water runoff. But I have to say I've never actually seen water in any of them.

If you google Long Island sump you will see that one of our residents just got arrested for using one to grow marijuana.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

I have to rectify 2 very big things.

#1:
I just rechecked the mortgage records and while I have been going around saying that they paid down their first mortgage when refinancing, after taking a 2nd look I now see that the 1st mortgage was never satisfied. I apologize. Very sloppy on my part. Why didn't any of you show me the error of my ways?

So... mortgage 1 is for a specific amount and mortgage 2 is for a specific amount but there is no satisfaction for either mortgage.

Mortgage 2 is most likely a home equity line of credit, IMO. Having refinanced myself several times, no bank has ever offered to give us a new mortgage without requiring us to satisfy one that already exists.

Both are quite large amounts.

So... no evidence of a large chunk of change being spent here to pay down the mortgage, IMO.

#2:
Their permit for the renovations for an estimated $75K looks like 2 permits in the land management history but is actually 1 permit that was extended some 8 years later. This is so not usually done that I'm quite shocked that they were allowed to do this. The 2004 estimate for the $75K work was extended to add some additional things in 2012. The estimate was not modified in doing so. So... the estimate for their renovations is $75K and not $150K. But I still say this addition must have cost way more than the estimate.

I stand with egg on my face.

 

[Momoffourboys]

I have to rectify 2 very big things.

#1:
I just rechecked the mortgage records and while I have been going around saying that they paid down their first mortgage when refinancing, after taking a 2nd look I now see that the 1st mortgage was never satisfied. I apologize. Very sloppy on my part. Why didn't any of you show me the error of my ways?

So... mortgage 1 is for a specific amount and mortgage 2 is for a specific amount but there is no satisfaction for either mortgage.

Mortgage 2 is most likely a home equity line of credit, IMO. Having refinanced myself several times, no bank has ever offered to give us a new mortgage without requiring us to satisfy one that already exists.

Both are quite large amounts.

So... no evidence of a large chunk of change being spent here to pay down the mortgage, IMO.

#2:
Their permit for the renovations for an estimated $75K looks like 2 permits in the land management history but is actually 1 permit that was extended some 8 years later. This is so not usually done that I'm quite shocked that they were allowed to do this. The 2004 estimate for the $75K work was extended to add some additional things in 2012. The estimate was not modified in doing so. So... the estimate for their renovations is $75K and not $150K. But I still say this addition must have cost way more than the estimate.

I stand with egg on my face.

Don't be so hard on yourself. That is some fine investigative work.
Thank you!
:rockon:

 

[Momoffourboys]

FYI suffolk county catch basins are routinely maintained, tested and cleaned.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

FYI suffolk county catch basins are routinely maintained, tested and cleaned.

Not to mention all summer long... there would have been an odor.

 

[Curious Cathy]

The HBO guy. What is that all about? Clue me in.

 

[Philigumbo]

Sorry for my umpteen posts...I'm on a weird schedule.

 

[hot cawfeee]

Thankfully my experience is that 98% of those who attempt to dispose of a body tend to be stupid, inept or both. Thrown in a ditch, shallow grave that gets dug up by wildlife or wrapped in a rug/blanket/sheet and dumped in the open. On rare occasions, they might leave some markers if they want to revisit the site from time to time to see if it was disturbed.

(HINT TO LE - If you release a comment about looking at a particular site for a body, watch all of your suspects and see if one runs off to check a remote site)

They also tend not to carry a body very far off an access road or trail.

If this was mob related, we should be looking in the South Jersey Pine Barrens or in a concrete mixer.

Holy Cow---a perp would return to the body site to make sure its still there--OMGL-
And LE should look at LI Pine Barrens-----or at a vacant house in the neighborhood???? And a personal fave---eastern LIE----lots of places in Big SKy country out here. What about in the water??????