NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #4

[GoingByMyGut]

I never knew it either, until Det. Savage told me that-apparently, the authorities spoke to numerous tattoo artists, who must have been working illegally at the time that this woman got her tattoo, but nobody that they spoke to would say they'd done it (I am sure the police weren't interested in hassling tattoo artists; they already knew who was working underground). I realize that I may have been reading far too much into the scorpion, since it may very well have meant nothing more than a horoscope symbol-but I wanted to try to see if there was some greater significance that could help to identify her. In any event, as a horoscope, it could still do that-see if there is a missing person from outside of NY (or even a local) who has a birthdate that would make her a Scorpio.

This woman may not even be from this country-imagine how hard it will be to find iut who she is. If Sylvia isn't still alive, and her remains are outside of NY, it will be just as difficult to identify.

BBM1: Couldn't she have gotten it outside of NYC? NJ maybe? I guess 1991 was still the height of the aides epidemic too ... I remember tattoo parlors getting a bad rap at the time due to the needles and the popularity of tattoos.

BBM2: I didn't mean to suggest that. I'm an over-thinker from way back and always miss the straight-arrow options. That's why Skeet's response made me so happy.

BBM3: And yet, her body carries such a unique and obvious identifier, unlike so many others ... I wonder if that's partly why it drives Det. S crazy. You're right. She could be from anywhere, and I guess so could the tattoo. It could be very difficult.

One more scorpion thought: I wonder if it could be a gang symbol?

 

[rosemadderlake]

BBM1: Do you mean the silence in response to this specific question? I am not sure they would answer this question, mainly because they don't know us and it might be construed as taking some responsibility for our actions, legally -- endorsing our actions -- when they have no basis for it. You think? That doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. MOO

BBM2: I understand the hesitancy, just in terms of approaching an authority, but I see people doing this on other threads all the time. (And to your point, NamUS may be too busy to make all the possible connections themselves.) My sense is that less is more, in terms of communicating with the coroners, FWIW. I think they're just checking lists and looking at possibilities, so the faster/more streamlined and factual the communication, the better. Also, I would only submit after we've done thoughtful rule-outs, such as those based on her teeth. They're just going to look at that information themselves and come to the same conclusion, so why send them something that has points of logical elimination. Not that you would do otherwise -- I'm just sharing things that come to my mind as I think about firing off an email. JMHO.

BBM1: I was referring the general silence and not hearing back – so I asked NamUs if we should go ahead and pursue the UIDs ourselves... I see your point re: not knowing us from Adam, really. I do include a link to Sylvia’s thread in my correspondences to them. And my correspondence to NamUs is posted on WS. And, they did get back to me on the two NY rule outs (Irondequoit & Islip). You bring up a good point about legality, though. I could understand why they wouldn't weigh in on a number of issues - A while back, we got radio silence on SL's dental charting availability. So, ok "don't go there" again...

BBM2: NamUs told me back in December I could submit potential UIDs directly to them and they would expedite the comparisons. So, with that in mind, I am not sure why they haven’t responded on the last batch (5 UIDs). My feeling is to give it some time, check the UID sites for SL rule out listings which I did yesterday, and if I don’t hear back, call them on the phone next time to see what is going on. I hesitate to make assumptions - NamUs may be busy “in general” which is what I was trying to say. Don’t know if they are too busy to check on the UIDs submitted specifically, but I don’t want to double up and contact a coroner if they have already done so. In the case of the CA UID, there are fingerprints to compare to Sylvia’s which I listed in the notes in my email. If, however, it came back that they think there is "no basis" to compare, and I felt strongly about it I would not hesitate to pursue it. (If I understood what you said correctly...)

That’s why I said to feel free to contact NamUs. I would also say if anyone wants to pursue these UIDs directly – go for it. I just don’t feel comfortable doing that (right now) as the one who has been bugging NamUs these past couple of months… To me, it doesn’t get more streamlined than working with Sylvia’s case manager, ideally. –Theoretically!

Listed below are the links back to my posts and current status.

This is Essex NJ UID. Was told NamUs would get back to me. Originally submitted by another poster a year ago. I followed up 4/30, 6/15 & 7/8. No word back. RoseML Post 538: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Island-6-Sept-1975-4&p=10586752#post10586752

Checked the UID links for listing of SL rule out. -None as of yesterday 07.09.14. RoseML Post 553: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Island-6-Sept-1975-4&p=10611386#post10611386

Included Websleuth’s notes in email to NamUs on why we are submitting listed UIDs. RoseML Post 572 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Island-6-Sept-1975-4&p=10630512#post10630512

 

[GoingByMyGut]

BBM1: I was referring the general silence and not hearing back – so I asked NamUs if we should go ahead and pursue the UIDs ourselves... I see your point re: not knowing us from Adam, really. I do include a link to Sylvia’s thread in my correspondences to them. And my correspondence to NamUs is posted on WS. And, they did get back to me on the two NY rule outs (Irondequoit & Islip). You bring up a good point about legality, though. I could understand why they wouldn't weigh in on a number of issues - A while back, we got radio silence on SL's dental charting availability. So, ok "don't go there" again...

BBM2: NamUs told me back in December I could submit potential UIDs directly to them and they would expedite the comparisons. So, with that in mind, I am not sure why they haven’t responded on the last batch (5 UIDs). My feeling is to give it some time, check the UID sites for SL rule out listings which I did yesterday, and if I don’t hear back, call them on the phone next time to see what is going on. I hesitate to make assumptions - NamUs may be busy “in general” which is what I was trying to say. Don’t know if they are too busy to check on the UIDs submitted specifically, but I don’t want to double up and contact a coroner if they have already done so. In the case of the CA UID, there are fingerprints to compare to Sylvia’s which I listed in the notes in my email. If, however, it came back that they think there is "no basis" to compare, and I felt strongly about it I would not hesitate to pursue it. (If I understood what you said correctly...)

That’s why I said to feel free to contact NamUs. I would also say if anyone wants to pursue these UIDs directly – go for it. I just don’t feel comfortable doing that (right now) as the one who has been bugging NamUs these past couple of months… To me, it doesn’t get more streamlined than working with Sylvia’s case manager, ideally. –Theoretically!

Listed below are the links back to my posts and current status.

This is Essex NJ UID. Was told NamUs would get back to me. Originally submitted by another poster a year ago. I followed up 4/30, 6/15 & 7/8. No word back. RoseML Post 538: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Island-6-Sept-1975-4&p=10586752#post10586752

Checked the UID links for listing of SL rule out. -None as of yesterday 07.09.14. RoseML Post 553: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Island-6-Sept-1975-4&p=10611386#post10611386

Included Websleuth’s notes in email to NamUs on why we are submitting listed UIDs. RoseML Post 572 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Island-6-Sept-1975-4&p=10630512#post10630512

You've done a great job with these, Rose. I haven't had much time to give this lately, but I just went over these and I think they're all great options. Don't you think it's odd that the CA UID has no clothing information? Having been found in a hotel room and all ... Also, if the CA UID was to turn out to be SL, it would be so random ... not that she would be in CA, so much, but that she would be killed after getting there. It seems that it would point to a stranger -- or maybe someone she traveled with. I'm getting ahead of us with that line of thought though ...

 

[Jmoose]

BBM1: Couldn't she have gotten it outside of NYC? NJ maybe? I guess 1991 was still the height of the aides epidemic too ... I remember tattoo parlors getting a bad rap at the time due to the needles and the popularity of tattoos.

BBM2: I didn't mean to suggest that. I'm an over-thinker from way back and always miss the straight-arrow options. That's why Skeet's response made me so happy.

BBM3: And yet, her body carries such a unique and obvious identifier, unlike so many others ... I wonder if that's partly why it drives Det. S crazy. You're right. She could be from anywhere, and I guess so could the tattoo. It could be very difficult.

One more scorpion thought: I wonder if it could be a gang symbol?

Maybe-I tried to figure out what the significance of the scorpion might be, because I just thought maybe a woman would want a "prettier" tattoo, ya know what I mean? I don't have a tattoo myself, but know plenty of women who do, and most have something meaningful and attractive. The photo of the tattoo drawing on her namus page may have had some meaning, but wasn't attractive (at least to me).

I am glad that Skeet brought me back to Earth with the thought that maybe it was just a sign of the horoscope (lol)!

 

[rosemadderlake]

You've done a great job with these, Rose. I haven't had much time to give this lately, but I just went over these and I think they're all great options. Don't you think it's odd that the CA UID has no clothing information? Having been found in a hotel room and all ... Also, if the CA UID was to turn out to be SL, it would be so random ... not that she would be in CA, so much, but that she would be killed after getting there. It seems that it would point to a stranger -- or maybe someone she traveled with. I'm getting ahead of us with that line of thought though ...

Bbm: yes I do think it is odd - wonder why, too. Neither box is checked re: clothing & accessories, and everything else on down the line; dental, DNA, images, & docs are “currently not available”. How can that be? -Wonder where she is buried.
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/full_report/4457

Even though I can’t imagine how this UID could be Sylvia, I think that the name Alison Lowell is compelling in light of the fact she has been a UID since 1975 – found just a few months after Sylvia went missing… plus, there is enough in range, too re: the “physicals,” age, ht., wt., etc.


-The Cecil Hotel where she was found has been home to transients and a couple of serial killers.

Elisa Lam, Morbid History Of Two Serial Killers Unfolds At “Cecil Hotel”
http://guardianlv.com/2013/02/elisa-lam-morbid-history-of-two-serial-killers-unfolds-at-cecil-hotel/

The Cecil Hotel in LA has a dark past.
http://theyearofhalloween.com/2013/...-you-like-the-macabre-history-of-hotel-cecil/

 

[GoingByMyGut]

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BBM2: NamUs told me back in December I could submit potential UIDs directly to them and they would expedite the comparisons. So, with that in mind, I am not sure why they haven’t responded on the last batch (5 UIDs). My feeling is to give it some time, check the UID sites for SL rule out listings which I did yesterday, and if I don’t hear back, call them on the phone next time to see what is going on. I hesitate to make assumptions - NamUs may be busy “in general” which is what I was trying to say. Don’t know if they are too busy to check on the UIDs submitted specifically, but I don’t want to double up and contact a coroner if they have already done so. In the case of the CA UID, there are fingerprints to compare to Sylvia’s which I listed in the notes in my email. If, however, it came back that they think there is "no basis" to compare, and I felt strongly about it I would not hesitate to pursue it. (If I understood what you said correctly...)

That’s why I said to feel free to contact NamUs. I would also say if anyone wants to pursue these UIDs directly – go for it. I just don’t feel comfortable doing that (right now) as the one who has been bugging NamUs these past couple of months… To me, it doesn’t get more streamlined than working with Sylvia’s case manager, ideally. –Theoretically!

I'm actually not sure we understood each other on this point, Rose. My thoughts were looking ahead to potentially communicating with the coroners. I think of them like doctors and think they may have even less time on their hands than NamUS. Do you have any doctors you email with? My daughter and I do -- the first was when she was in high school and college, and then later, when she was in med school all of her dox communicated that way. You are lucky if you get a sentence. And even luckier if you understand it! It's an act of translation. We used to laugh at how poorly they communicate. Now my daughter is a doctor and we laugh because she has become that communicator! I am the other end of the spectrum. Because she had some serious issues with her sinuses, we had a bunch of doctors to keep focused -- and oh the looks on their faces when they pulled my letters out of the file! I have learned since then to try to give them more "bottom line" type messages. On other threads, I've seen something in the communication with coroners that's made me think there's a similarity. That's all. Sorry if I was obtuse.

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Bbm: yes I do think it is odd - wonder why, too. Neither box is checked re: clothing & accessories, and everything else on down the line; dental, DNA, images, & docs are “currently not available”. How can that be? -Wonder where she is buried.
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/full_report/4457

Even though I can’t imagine how this UID could be Sylvia, I think that the name Alison Lowell is compelling in light of the fact she has been a UID since 1975 – found just a few months after Sylvia went missing… plus, there is enough in range, too re: the “physicals,” age, ht., wt., etc.

-The Cecil Hotel where she was found has been home to transients and a couple of serial killers.

Elisa Lam, Morbid History Of Two Serial Killers Unfolds At “Cecil Hotel”
http://guardianlv.com/2013/02/elisa-lam-morbid-history-of-two-serial-killers-unfolds-at-cecil-hotel/

The Cecil Hotel in LA has a dark past.
http://theyearofhalloween.com/2013/...-you-like-the-macabre-history-of-hotel-cecil/

BBM: Ridiculously so! When I looked it up, I found that it wasn't a particularly common name either. I suppose if you were going to change your name to hide your identity, it would be more "strategic" to choose something that wasn't similar to the ID you're trying to hide, but the name Alison Lowell is a real draw for me. There's a musician by that name who even looks like SL, but that's a red herring, since the one who led us in this direction is deceased. I'll look at your other links now.

 

[rosemadderlake]

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I'm actually not sure we understood each other on this point, Rose. My thoughts were looking ahead to potentially communicating with the coroners. I think of them like doctors and think they may have even less time on their hands than NamUS. Do you have any doctors you email with? My daughter and I do -- the first was when she was in high school and college, and then later, when she was in med school all of her dox communicated that way. You are lucky if you get a sentence. And even luckier if you understand it! It's an act of translation. We used to laugh at how poorly they communicate. Now my daughter is a doctor and we laugh because she has become that communicator! I am the other end of the spectrum. Because she had some serious issues with her sinuses, we had a bunch of doctors to keep focused -- and oh the looks on their faces when they pulled my letters out of the file! I have learned since then to try to give them more "bottom line" type messages. On other threads, I've seen something in the communication with coroners that's made me think there's a similarity. That's all. Sorry if I was obtuse.

I've been so lucky in not having to communicate with doctors via email especially since HC requirements only gives them a nanosecond to spend on patients these days. I assume that goes for email, too. And yes, medical terminology really needs translation at times. I had an operation in the late 80's and got a copy of the operation report - whoa, whaaaat does this and that mean???? I spent time with the medical dictionary translating what I could...

Bbm: With the L.A. UID, I would start with emailing the NamUs case manager in California - because I could find no email listed on the LA Coroner's website.

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Original TBM

-The Cecil Hotel where she was found has been home to transients and a couple of serial killers.

Elisa Lam, Morbid History Of Two Serial Killers Unfolds At “Cecil Hotel”
http://guardianlv.com/2013/02/elisa-lam-morbid-history-of-two-serial-killers-unfolds-at-cecil-hotel/

The Cecil Hotel in LA has a dark past.
http://theyearofhalloween.com/2013/...-you-like-the-macabre-history-of-hotel-cecil/

That does shed some light on the population AL may have been part of. Thanks for those links, Rose. The histories skip over the years we're most interested in, but I think we can assume those years are more of the same. It reminds me, too, of our earlier posts about runaways, as I think that often runaways found "safe haven" in some very dangerous places. From 1965-85, I would bet many found cheap lodging in this area, if not specifically the Cecil.

ETA: Oh, I meant to add that I remember seeing/hearing the discovery of Elisa Lam's body in the news, and especially seeing those odd videos of her in the elevator. Crazy! I still find it hard to believe she climbed into that water tank herself ... Weird that it's the same hotel.

 

[GoingByMyGut]

I've been so lucky in not having to communicate with doctors via email especially since HC requirements only gives them a nanosecond to spend on patients these days. I assume that goes for email, too. And yes, medical terminology really needs translation at times. I had an operation in the late 80's and got a copy of the operation report - whoa, whaaaat does this and that mean???? I spent time with the medical dictionary translating what I could...

Bbm: With the L.A. UID, I would start with emailing the NamUs case manager in California - because I could find no email listed on the LA Coroner's website.

Our experience was pretty limited to doctors at teaching hospitals, which I think tend to be a little ahead of the crowd. The first was an ENT at UPenn who I still call "the goddess" and the rest were my daughters' mentors. It wasn't medical terminology that tripped up our understanding -- it was that nanosecond you refer to. Between time, autocorrect, and the speed of their thinking, the "one sentence" message -- if we got that much -- was almost always cryptic. My doctors at a local hospital-affiliated clinic I go to are doing a better job of this now, because the doctors don't send the messages, their interns do; the interns have a little more time, are more motivated communicators, and are more accustomed to electronic communication, I think. Oh well, OT.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Original TBM


That does shed some light on the population AL may have been part of. Thanks for those links, Rose. The histories skip over the years we're most interested in, but I think we can assume those years are more of the same. It reminds me, too, of our earlier posts about runaways, as I think that often runaways found "safe haven" in some very dangerous places. From 1965-85, I would bet many found cheap lodging in this area, if not specifically the Cecil.

ETA: Oh, I meant to add that I remember seeing/hearing the discovery of Elisa Lam's body in the news, and especially seeing those odd videos of her in the elevator. Crazy! I still find it hard to believe she climbed into that water tank herself ... Weird that it's the same hotel.

Bbm: I have a feeling the PI inquiry did not cover the transient hubs of NYC - looking for Sylvia.

NYC in the 70’s...

The Selvedge Yard
http://selvedgeyard.com/2010/04/15/hookers-hypodermics-new-york-in-the-70s/

 

[Odyssey]

Hi everyone!

It took me a bit to catch up, but wanted to say I found another place that looks like it has the old phone books, so I've just submitted another request for the PI's from 1975. This site says they accept email requests, so hopefully I will actually get it this time.

Also, yes, I've found that contacting medical examiners is much easier than trying to deal with LE. They seem much more motivated to get their cases solved and are usually very responsive.

I know there was something else I was going to say but it escaped me - so I'll come back when my memory switches back on.

 

[Odyssey]

Just wanted to update that I got a response from the historical society that I contacted. They said they are out of the office until July 21 and will check to see if they have that directory when they return.

Since I have a tendency to get sidetracked with other things, if anyone notices that I haven't come back with an update by the end of the month, please shoot me a reminder via PM. If they don't have 1975, I will ask for the closest year that they do have.

 

[alliemay]

Nothing ground breaking here, but on Ancestry I typed in Lurowski instead of Lwowski and was able to see their 1940 census. I have also seen the name spelled with a T instead of an L, but didn't find anything related with that spelling. Will keep looking using the name Lurowski.

 

[Jmoose]

Yeah, it's pretty amazing how the names get fractured when LDS transcribes them. Nice work, Skeet!

 

[rosemadderlake]

Hi everyone!

It took me a bit to catch up, but wanted to say I found another place that looks like it has the old phone books, so I've just submitted another request for the PI's from 1975. This site says they accept email requests, so hopefully I will actually get it this time.

Also, yes, I've found that contacting medical examiners is much easier than trying to deal with LE. They seem much more motivated to get their cases solved and are usually very responsive.

I know there was something else I was going to say but it escaped me - so I'll come back when my memory switches back on.

Bbm: Odyssey - Good to know - thanks for your input.

I left a phone message with Sylvia's case manager at NamUs yesterday. If I don't hear back soon (real soon) I will go ahead and start with a call to the L.A Coroner on our California UID...
She is as much of a 39 year old mystery as Sylvia -IMO... I had a thought that maybe some of these very old cases just don't have all the information listed on NamUs, IOW the basics were entered for her in 2008 in an effort to at least list the older cases in the NamUs database. And, I am curious about the wording "currently not available" as opposed to "not available" on many of the physical elements (dental, DNA, images, & docs). With the exception of DNA in 1975, what does that mean? Maybe, hoping there is an archive file on this UID. I can't believe LAPD would not have photographed the "crime scene", etc...

 

[rosemadderlake]

Hi-
-I heard back from Sylvia's case manager @ NamUs - she will take a look at our submissions this week (next few days).
I think they must be pretty busy and yes, I am told people have been on vacation.

So, back to "patience is a virtue"! Lol.

-Will keep you posted...

 

[rosemadderlake]

I really don't want any of these UID's to be a match - I know it is a long shot and hoping against hope, but -I so wish for her to be found safe...

My thoughts lately are about contrasts and what troubles me is - Sylvia was a responsible young woman; beautiful, educated, and engaged to be married. You could 'set the clock by her'. While it is certainly possible something escalated that night with her BFF and there is a cover up – I can’t help but wonder which mental hospitals were checked… -Because it is the totally “together person” who slips under the radar of the knowledge that –‘that could not be possible – it is totally out of character – she (Sylvia) would never do that (leave)’. Yet, she 'flipped her switch' not long before she went missing. And she is described as 'storming off' into the night by her BFF, and “depressed” by her mother on the police report. So, do these contrasts speak to the “unexpected” and unanticipated” possibilities? -Yes, they do. (imo) It makes me wonder about her favorite childhood places as well as her future dreams.

Thinking back to my uninhibited times in the ‘70’s, I remember meeting a transient young woman in 1980 – she professed she had “just returned from Mount Olympus” (of mythology). -She was picked up at a bar, or party, by my male housemate who realized he was in over his head after bringing her home one night. So, we took care of her for a week or so. She was young, bright, ethereal, and I think quite off the rails – hard to pin down reality-wise… Then one night she vanished. Had she checked out of a mental institution? We never asked. It didn’t occur to us. She is still clear in my memory, though. I wonder now if some kind of alarm bell would ring out if I met her today. –Because back then, young people could travel among groups with the shared experience of their youth, new freedoms, and rebellion in general with no questions asked.

No one was on antidepressants back then and being “mental” was considered more of a “spiritual crisis” if you weren’t in the psyche ward – or “hysterical” if you were a woman, or “on drugs” if you were young… The language to define these things has since evolved.

 

[Jmoose]

Rose-such an interesting take on some other possibility! Yes, when you're young, you might see someone like this much differently than when you have the maturity of full adulthood. I do understand what you mean regarding whether or not the family checked all of the possible places where a young woman with mental issues could end up; I'd like to think that the family and the PI would have explored all of the places they could possibly think of. I really hope we have an answer someday.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Rose-such an interesting take on some other possibility! Yes, when you're young, you might see someone like this much differently than when you have the maturity of full adulthood. I do understand what you mean regarding whether or not the family checked all of the possible places where a young woman with mental issues could end up; I'd like to think that the family and the PI would have explored all of the places they could possibly think of. I really hope we have an answer someday.

Bbm: I honestly don’t think that would have been possible. My guess is a localized effort was made and her family really needed help in navigating the hospitals & transit hubs of which there are many in NYC. The issue of Sylvia’s state of mind with all its potential ramifications perhaps filtered down in hindsight as the years went by. With all Sylvia had going for her, who would imagine she could end up in a psyche ward? But as the possibilities are tabled, I think it is the “how” people ended up there in the 70’s that is of greater concern. (imo)

-A blogger’s visit to the asylum 2011. The bbm makes me wonder about the criteria of admission in the 70’s.
A Day at Willard Asylum for the Insane
The history and evolution of this asylum over the years it was open is amazing; but how people ended up there as patients is even more astonishing. A mental illness diagnosis could have resulted from a person publicly displaying their emotions, flaunting their sexual preference, being subjected to trauma; for instance, domestic abuse, the loss of a loved one, partaking in the consumption of too much alcohol, or merely being unable to communicate in English. Behaviors that are acceptable today, were not acceptable in the late 19th, and early 20th centuries.
http://thejoyofcaking.wordpress.com/2011/05/17/a-day-at-willard-asylum-for-the-insane/

-The mental asylums were on a downward trajectory in the 70’s and then the closings began in the 80’s.
HOW RELEASE OF MENTAL PATIENTS BEGAN
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html

There is the grim reality as was shown in the exposés of these places, and related places like Willowbrook, close to home. The abandoned state asylums give a glimpse of the living conditions of the mentally ill. -The film, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest was a well done theatrical rendering of the horrible medical treatment of days gone by; drugged into a stupor, electroshock therapy, and lobotomies. Regular prison must have seemed like a five star hotel by comparison.


Each asylum has a cemetery, overgrown meadows, and unmarked graves - many unidentified, many potter’s fields. There are those trying to get their ancestral records to no avail. And there are HIPPA laws…

Here is a recent NY State Bill addressing the releasing of names of patients interred at these cemeteries.

January 2013
NY State Bill S2514-2013

Relates to patients interred at state mental health hospital cemeteries; directs the release of the name, birthdate and date of death of certain patients 50 years after the date of death.

§33.27-a:

- Requires that the names, dates of birth and dates of death of patients buried in state mental health hospital cemeteries be made available to mark headstones or otherwise memorialize patients interred at these cemeteries.

- This information shall be made available fifty years after the death of a patient.


http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S2514-2013