NY - Two firefighters & woman slain, 3 injured in Webster ambush, 24 Dec 2012

[jjenny]

I agree that nothing is funny about this situation. I was laughing at your questions. Just because he was a criminal doesn't mean he couldn't get his hands on a gun or that it was even hard for him to get one. Criminals own guns illegally all the time. If they followed the rules then they wouldn't be criminals. It's like questioning how someone gets drugs.

Well, I have no doubt authorities are looking into how he got these guns.

 

[wfgodot]

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The Associated Press ‏@AP
BREAKING: Police: Human remains found in home of man who killed 2 NY firemen; believed to be his sister -RJJ

 

[georgiagirl]

Well, I have no doubt authorities are looking into how he got these guns.

I'm sure they are and they should.

 

[zwiebel]

'remains believed to be those of the gunman's sister, Cheryl, 67'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/25/new-york-firefighter-shooting-william-spengler

 

[zwiebel]

I thought criminals were not allowed to benefit from their crimes? Was he living in his grandma's old house, or his mom's old house?

Whatever it was, imagine his poor sister having to share with that guy, knowing what he was capable of.......

 

[zwiebel]

I thought the same thing. Additionally, I can't help but wonder how many victims, including his sister, he possibly dumped in the lake. That seems to be a possible area bodies might not surface?

Any mp's or UID's or unsolveds from around this area that spring to mind? Other elderly women would be my first thought.

 

[zwiebel]

Oh no, I just saw that Lt Michael Chiapperini and Tomasz Kaczowka were a public information officer and emergency dispatcher, respectively. And Tomasz was only 19!

Does that mean they didn't usually go out on calls, but did this time because it was the holiday season?

 

[wfgodot]

Oh no, I just saw that Lt Michael Chiapperini and Tomasz Kaczowka were a public information officer and emergency dispatcher, respectively. And Tomasz was only 19!

Does that mean they didn't usually go out on calls, but did this time because it was the holiday season?

Both of the deceased were volunteer firefighters as well.

 

[jjenny]

I thought criminals were not allowed to benefit from their crimes? Was he living in his grandma's old house, or his mom's old house?

Whatever it was, imagine his poor sister having to share with that guy, knowing what he was capable of.......

Him living in grandma's house wouldn't be considered profiting.

 

[legalmania]

Were facing a new kind of criminal. Now we're shooting our first responders. The ones who are willing to die for us. I just don't know how to stop it. We have lost something in America. The American dream is becoming a joke. People are taking advantage of the rights, that our forefathers have worked so hard to get. People are taking what was meant to make us free, and changing it to fear. We are letting evil take over. JMO

 

[Kimster]

I am really angry that this was not either in jail or executed 30 years ago. :furious:

In 1981 Spengler admitted to killing his grandmother with a hammer. He served a 17-year prison sentence and had an uneventful parole to 2006.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...-killing-plan-article-1.1227104#ixzz2G6qKvujk

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I am really angry that this was not either in jail or executed 30 years ago. :furious:

I agree!
Killing your grandmother with a hammer should get the DP! Or at least LWOP!

There is no "rehabilitating" that!

Sickening!

 

[Kimster]

I agree!
Killing your grandmother with a hammer should get the DP! Or at least LWOP!

There is no "rehabilitating" that!

Sickening!

They keep letting criminals out and they need to stay right where they are!!! I'm really jarred by the reports I'm reading on this thread. This guy was evil and was in our society for decades! This should NOT be!

 

[legalmania]

They keep letting criminals out and they need to stay right where they are!!! I'm really jarred by the reports I'm reading on this thread. This guy was evil and was in our society for decades! This should NOT be!

Or send them to Texas where they have an express lane for killers.

 

[Steely Dan]

I thought the same thing. Additionally, I can't help but wonder how many victims, including his sister, he possibly dumped in the lake. That seems to be a possible area bodies might not surface?

You'd have to have a fairly large boat to get out far enough on Lake Ontario to dump a body. The lake is too choppy for a rowboat sized craft. I don't think this guy had enough money for a sailboat type craft. There is also a good chance parts would surface after awhile. Although, the bodies from the Edmund Fitzgerald never surfaced in Lake Superior.

I am really angry that this was not either in jail or executed 30 years ago. :furious:

I'm mystified by this too. How on earth does somebody like that get less than life? :banghead:

 

[Steely Dan]

http://www.democratandchronicle.com...50033/webster-spengler-shootings-firefighters

For some on Lake Road, no home to return to
9:22 PM, Dec 25, 2012

Monday morning, when John Kohut heard about the fire on his street, he raced back to Webster from Rochester.

But with Lake Road blocked off, all he could do was watch from a distant bluff as his house burned to the ground.

Lake Road residents returned home to a grim scene Tuesday, as investigators continued to comb through the rubble of seven destroyed homes. Two other homes were damaged and aren’t habitable....

 

[noZme]

Steely's quote did me in; I cannot even click to read the article.

It's heartbreaking.... prayers for all.

Craziness all around us.

 

[jjenny]

I'm mystified by this too. How on earth does somebody like that get less than life? :banghead:

Unfortunately, lots of people are getting out after having killed someone. He actually served a long sentence for a manslaughter conviction-especially considering this was a family member.

 

[Ausgirl]

A while aqo, when researching a mass murder from the early 80's in CA, I came across a site which listed horrific crimes committed by men who'd been jailed for other (often multiple) horrific crimes, including child rape and murder, who'd gone right out and committed another... or several, in some cases.

The Aussie website MAKO lists hundreds of repeat offenders, seriously dangerous individuals who time and again walk free...

And here's a murderer, murdering more innocents, ruining lives, wrecking homes. If he'd been detained as a danger to society after his FIRST vicious, insane act of murder, ALL of these people would be enjoying a normal Christmas, and those brave firemen would be home with their families right now.

Civil rights and criminal apologists be damned. Keep the killers and rapists where they belong -- for life -- on the FIRST offense!!!!

 

[MsFacetious]

It just doesn't surprise me that this killer got so little time. :furious:

I have a cousin who almost killed his grandmother.
It was a pretty brutal case. He was intoxicated, she tried to take his keys and he flipped out.
It was horribly shocking to try and comprehend that my adored cousin had done THAT.

I had prevented him from driving before and he hadn't lashed out at me.
This was a different combination of substances.
I KNEW he would never do anything like that in his right mind.
I also knew that his odds of staying clean were not good.

I ultimately decided that he should get a significant chunk of time in prison.
He was given 5 years and didn't even serve half of it. :waitasec:

Fortunately for all of us despite more legal issues and not staying sober... he has not done anything else violent. Yet. lease:

It makes me wonder though if his family testified in his defense... maybe influenced the shorter sentence. :waitasec: