OH - 9 killed + Gunman, 16 injured, Mass Shooting, Oregon District, Dayton, 4 Aug 2019

[Gardenista]

Since they were not shot first, I'm wondering if shooting his sister and his friend was not planned.

 

[coffeeandacig]

Nothing in the rant I read (please feel free to link to one from a reliable source) came close to accuracy about Democratic Socialism. None.

JJ MacNab is a Fellow, George Washington University's Program on Extremism. Contributor, anti-government extremism at Forbes. UC Berkeley alumna.
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Based on the tweets he "liked," the Dayton shooter seemed to be following the coverage of the El Paso shooter closely. 5:44 PM - 4 Aug 2019

@jjmacnab
Contrary to what being said on Twitter and, unfortunately, by pundits on the news, there's no indication at this time that the Dayton shooter was acting on white supremacist beliefs.

 

[x_files]

With the number of shots he fired, I don't know that he would have had time to aim at anyone in particular...it looked like he was just trying to get as many shots in as possible. If his sister hadn't been a victim, I would have been more inclined to believe it was completely random, but I'm not sure what to make of it. If he was targeting just her specifically, he wouldn't have had to keep firing once she was down. Who knows what was going on in his head...he obviously had some mental issues.

It seems he either had his gear in the trunk and planned to hit that area on Sat, or stored the gear in his trunk and was triggered or got upset with his sister and decided it was time.
It's all so bizarre.
I do think he was inspired by El Paso shooting...he was following it closely on his twitter account.

 

[alucardsdream]

It seems he either had his gear in the trunk and planned to hit that area on Sat, or stored the gear in his trunk and was triggered or got upset with his sister and decided it was time.
It's all so bizarre.

It's definitely bizarre...we might never know exactly what he was thinking. It's hard to be rational and logical when dealing with someone who clearly had some type of psychological issues.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

7 wounded in mass shooting near Chicago playground

There is another one this weekend!

Chicago has had 4 of these gang related shootings with 7 victims this year. Thank goodness nobody died in this mass shooting. Other 7 victim shooting victims in Chicago didn't end with just wounds. Sad.

 

[x_files]

It's definitely bizarre...we might never know exactly what he was thinking. It's hard to be rational and logical when dealing with someone who clearly had some type of psychological issues.

true! from his HS past sounds he held grudges against women who wouldn't date him on his Rape List. Guys on his Kill List.
What's weird is that he drove his sister and her friend or bf that night.
Sounds like he most likely bullied or terrorized her entire life.
I wonder how her parents protected her from him?!

 

[x_files]

It's definitely bizarre...we might never know exactly what he was thinking. It's hard to be rational and logical when dealing with someone who clearly had some type of psychological issues.

Is it my imagination but does it seem like crime rate esp. homicide conceded with hotter days of summer so around August?

 

[glamourkitty1922]

JJ MacNab is a Fellow, George Washington University's Program on Extremism. Contributor, anti-government extremism at Forbes. UC Berkeley alumna.
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Based on the tweets he "liked," the Dayton shooter seemed to be following the coverage of the El Paso shooter closely. 5:44 PM - 4 Aug 2019

@jjmacnab
Contrary to what being said on Twitter and, unfortunately, by pundits on the news, there's no indication at this time that the Dayton shooter was acting on white supremacist beliefs.

The shooting might be revenge for El Paso, he was known in the area (seemingly well liked in one bar) and probably knew the different bars. That bar's patrons may not have lived up to his personal standards of belief. As for his poor sister, she might have not lived up to his standards, or he knew he would die that night, and wanted congenial company in the experience. In the pics, they seem close. Seem being the operative word. MOO

 

[enelram]

It's definitely bizarre...we might never know exactly what he was thinking. It's hard to be rational and logical when dealing with someone who clearly had some type of psychological issues.

Agree.
But looking back at what's been shared in msm
he's had these problems for years.
Reading between the lines and seeing pics in
sm, he was a big problem in the family.
There really wasn't much engagement between
him and his parents and his sister.
CB was only mentioned sporadically on his
parents' fb accts.
Was this another case of parents so busy with their outside lives that the son took a backseat
until he caused such problems, like in HS.
Was he crying out for attention then?
I think so. But he didn't get the right type of attention or involvement w/ family.

 

[BradB]

Chicago has had 4 of these gang related shootings with 7 victims this year. Thank goodness nobody died in this mass shooting. Other 7 victim shooting victims in Chicago didn't end with just wounds. Sad.

There is a difference between that violence and this type of violence. Everybody knows what they get into when you choose a certain lifestyle so the end is inevitable. Yes, sometimes innocent people get hit but this mass murdering violence is intended for strangers and absolutely has no rhyme or reason.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Is it my imagination but does it seem like crime rate esp. homicide conceded with hotter days of summer so around August?

It's not your imagination. Here is an article based on DOJ research. Why Does Crime Spike in Summer?

 

[alucardsdream]

I read a book on school shooters...Killers in the Classroom...it's kind of scary how many traits these rampage shooters seem to have in common. A lot of the school shooters had over-achieving older siblings, and felt like they could never compare to them. (I am not blaming the parents at all, it's all about how the shooter perceived it.) They seem to let this perceived injustice fester until they explode, but all of them seemed to give out a lot of warning signs that no one picked up on. Kind of scary.

 

[x_files]

It's not your imagination. Here is an article based on DOJ research. Why Does Crime Spike in Summer?

Thank you! Because, I noticed crime rates skyrocketed the end of July conceding with heat waves/temp spikes.

 

[Snoopster]

In March, on his FB page, CB posted a cartoon image of Bugs Bunny sitting slumped at a bar with a drink, with the words, "It's suffocating to be surrounded by happiness and not be able to feel it." His words above the cartoon, "Ayyy lonely af anyone wanna talk?"

(I got this from a web cache so don't know how to link this specific post.)

 

[MuddyTires]

(Oh no.... just seeing this news.

Lord help us all.

It’s never going to stop.

(You guys know usually I’m all up in these shooting threads, working on comparative studies and analysis, etc etc. I’m to the point where I don’t have any words anymore (hence my lack of posting in yesterday’s El Paso thread) and I’ve got nothing to add except that I don’t think it’s ever going to stop. Ever.

If so, please feel free to correct me.

And if you think it’s going to stop, why and how do you think that would ever happen?

Because the way I see things now it’s not going to stop. Moo Jmo and thank you for letting me share that opinion.

I said I was doing my case study on mass shooters. I will add the recent data from yesterday and today.

It’s like like child molestations and child abductions imo in the sense that those also will probably continue to happen as long as we are alive.

I’m sad that this is my opinion and I’m honestly hoping here that somebody can counter this post.

I’m really wanting to be corrected here. That yes this will stop one day. Can anyone find a way to disagree with me? Please? )

Those who are directly affected are suffering a horrible loss, and nothing else matters.

But for others, it's probably worth putting this in context.

Humanity has a long history of violence. Blood lust has been part of the human condition forever. Think of the names and the atrocities they've committed: ISIS, Robert Mugabe, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler (and Eichmann, Himmler, Mengele, and others), Vladimir Lenin, Talat, H.H. Holmes, Jack the Ripper, King Leopold, Elizabeth Bathory, Queen Mary I, Ivan the Terrible, Timur, Vlad the Impaler, Genghis Kahn, Atilla the Hun, Caligula, Nero.....

So yes, there will always be violence. It's human nature. Fortunately, the world is less violent now than it has been.

And as for mass shootings, they remain rare.

https://everytownresearch.org/reports/mass-shootings-analysis/

9-year period from January 2009 and December 2017

173 mass shootings

1,793 people shot, including 1,001 killed, or an average of 111 deaths per year.

Domestic/family violence accounts for more than half of these shootings, and 102 of the 173 shootings took place entirely in private homes.

BEHIND THE BLOODSHED: THE UNTOLD STORY OF AMERICA'S MASS KILLINGS

From 2006 to 2017, there have been more than 350 mass killings in the United States, 272 of which were shootings. Those 272 shootings killed 1,483 people, or an average of approximately 123 deaths per year.

130 of those 272 shootings were domestic/family situations that killed 597 people.

31 of those 272 were robbery/burglaries that killed 137 people.

58 of those 272 were “public killings” that killed 517 people, so an average of 5 public mass shootings that kill 43 people year.

Only 5 of the mass killers had an automatic weapon on them.

Other causes of death in the US:

• Accidental poisoning: 64,000 per year
• Flu: 55,000 per year (1,700 under age 45)
• Car accidents: 40,000 per year
• Falls: 36,000 per year (1,100 under age 45)
• Alcohol induced liver disease: 20,000 to 25,000 per year (3,000 under age 45)
• Accidental strangulation: 6,900 per year
• HIV: 5,000 to 6,000 per year
• Accidental drowning: 3,700 per year (400 pool drownings)
• Mother childbirth complications: 1,200 per year
• Bicycle accidents: 700 to 800 per year
• Accidental gun discharge: 400 to 500 per year
• Flesh eating bacteria: 150 to 200 per year
• Food allergies: 150 to 200 per year
• Mass shootings: 100 to 120 per year
• Dog bites: 30 to 50 per year
• Skiing/snowboarding: 35 to 40 per year
• Lightning strikes: 20 to 40 per year

 

[Inthedetails]

I read a book on school shooters...Killers in the Classroom...it's kind of scary how many traits these rampage shooters seem to have in common. A lot of the school shooters had over-achieving older siblings, and felt like they could never compare to them. (I am not blaming the parents at all, it's all about how the shooter perceived it.) They seem to let this perceived injustice fester until they explode, but all of them seemed to give out a lot of warning signs that no one picked up on. Kind of scary.

My personal theory with killers in this age group with solid backgrounds is that they are facing a time in life when they themselves have to achieve on their own and they feel inadequate to it - so they lash out instead, thus ensuring either death or life behind bars when they have an excuse not to achieve (and everything is taken care of for them).

Personal opinion only. I realize it's more complicated than just that, but I see it as a strong factor.

I also notice that the "failure to thrive" when entering adulthood usually has signs in early childhood. I wish we placed more importance on early childhood, but that's a whole 'nother discussion and off topic from this thread.

jmo

 

[JBMDC]

My personal theory with killers in this age group with solid backgrounds is that they are facing a time in life when they themselves have to achieve on their own and they feel inadequate to it - so they lash out instead, thus ensuring either death or life behind bars when they have an excuse not to achieve (and everything is taken care of for them).

Personal opinion only. I realize it's more complicated than just that, but I see it as a strong factor.

I also notice that the "failure to thrive" when entering adulthood usually has signs in early childhood. I wish we placed more importance on early childhood, but that's a whole 'nother discussion and off topic from this thread.

jmo

Most of these guys are failures with no excuse for failure - they had relatively comfortable middle-class lives, went to good schools, and their siblings and many of their classmates and former friends are doing better than them, getting college degrees, getting better jobs, getting romantic partners. So they can either try harder to succeed at life or they can latch onto some scapegoat or conspiracy theory to blame their failures on. The latter option has been made easier by all the people who make a living telling middle-class male underachievers that nothing is their fault, and that everyone really is out to get them.

 

[JBMDC]

Since they were not shot first, I'm wondering if shooting his sister and his friend was not planned.

I thought the sister was shot first, before the people outside of Ned Pepper's. I am wondering whether she saw him and tried to stop him.

 

[danzn16]

I watched the CCTV footage it appears he was walking/running down the street shooting at random and was stopped/shot in front of that bar rather than it being his target. It could have been completely random.

Yes actually his sister and companion were shot outside a different bar and the people were shot while walking towards Ned peppers on the street which would plane them in front of entirely different buildings. Police were shooting at him while standing in the street just past Ned peppers causing him to attempt to enter inside the bar, but he may have planned to enter all along who knows. Police set up an ambush where he would have to attempt to enter otherwise he would have to walk towards shooting police. However they placed an officer at the entrance to shoot him as he tried to enter. He also could have chosen to turn around and run away i guess. Not sure what Police would have done in that instance.

But no it does not really appear Ned Peppers was targeted, that entire area was the target

 

[danzn16]

Since they were not shot first, I'm wondering if shooting his sister and his friend was not planned.

Where are you hearing that? In the presser the chief said his sister and companion were initial victims